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This ain't no Nobel prize winner but worth a read
« on: November 04, 2008, 05:58:57 PM »

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Is Obama Swiping the Tax Cut Issue?
Posted By:Larry Kudlow
Topics:Economy (U.S.) | Your Money Your Vote | Politics & Government | Stock Market
Wouldn’t it be the height of irony if Barack Obama wins this election as the Ronald Reagan tax-cutter? His tax plans are severely flawed and his campaign narrative to support them is all wrong. And yet a recent Rasmussen poll shows that 31 percent of voters believe Obama is the real tax cutter, while only 11 percent choose McCain.

Believe it or not, Obama seems to have swiped the tax-cut issue from the Republican party. How can this be?

Well, for almost two years Obama has talked about cutting taxes for 95 percent of the people. McCain has no such record. And even though McCain has launched a strong Joe the Plumber investor-class tax-cutting surge in the last days of the campaign, it may not be enough to significantly impact Tuesday’s voting results.

This is bad news since Obama has some pretty strange views on taxes. Just look at his recent explanation for the decline in third-quarter GDP. He calls it “a direct result of the Bush administration’s trickle-down, Wall Street first, Main Street last policies that John McCain has embraced for the last eight years and plans to continue for the next four.”

Is Obama really blaming the Bush tax cuts for this recession?

After the bursting of the tech bubble and the 9/11 attacks, George Bush lowered tax rates across-the-board for individuals and investors. For five years the stock market rallied without interruption — the longest bull market without a correction in post-WWII history — while the economy expanded for six years, a bit longer than the average post-war recovery cycle.

And Obama wants folks to believe that tax cuts caused this downturn? Not the credit shock? Not the Obama-supported government mandate to sell unaffordable homes to low-income people and the pressure on Fannie and Freddie to securitize these loans? Not the oil shock?

No self-respecting Keynesian would buy into this. Yet Obama was at it again in Monday’s Wall Street Journal, saying, “It’s not change to come up with a tax plan that doesn’t give a penny of relief to more than 100 million middle-class Americans.”

Regrettably, not even John McCain has contradicted this. But the facts speak otherwise.

For example, the nonpartisan Tax Foundation says the Bush tax cuts — which McCain would maintain — provided substantially more relief than middle-class Clinton-era tax rates: A single earner making $30,000 will pay $2,756 under 2008 Bush tax law compared with $3,157.50 under Clinton tax law (in 1999). That’s a larger Bush tax cut by 8.7 percent. A married couple earning $50,000 will pay $4,012 under Bush compared with $5,085 under Clinton. That’s a bigger Bush tax cut by 21 percent.

So the facts of a middle-class tax cut are far different from what Obama claims. Obama also says his tax rates will be below those of Ronald Reagan. Wrong. Obama will raise the top rate to 39.6 percent, whereas Reagan left taxpayers with only two brackets of 15 and 28 percent.

Incidentally, the income cap for Social Security and Medicare taxes was about $42,000 when Reagan left office, compared with $104,000 today and the threat that Obama will raise that cap significantly.

It’s also worth noting that the Reagan tax-reform bill of 1986 mistakenly allowed the capital-gains tax rate to move up to 28 percent from 20 percent. Many believe this was a significant factor in the stock market crash of 1987.

Similarly, Obama intends to raise the cap-gains tax rate from 15 to at least 20 percent. It’s a risky move. Of course, Obama says only rich people will pay the higher cap-gains rate. But the reality is that a cap-gains tax hike will raise the after-tax cost of all capital, which will depress the future value of all equity assets.

McCain has recently proposed a reduction in the capital-gains tax rate from 15 to 7.5 percent. With 100 million-plus investors out there, and nearly two of every three votes in national elections being made by shareholders, this is right on target. Last Friday, McCain told me in an interview that a “low capital-gains tax is probably the greatest incentive for investment that we have in America today.”

In the frenetic final hours of the campaign McCain is also talking up his corporate tax cut, which would be a tremendous boost to plunging stock prices since corporate profits are the mother’s milk of stocks. Indeed, McCain’s overall tax-cut plan is far more powerful than Obama’s when it comes to creating jobs and stimulating economic growth. But his marketing effort appears to be too little, too late.

These things do, however, have a way of balancing out: If Obama and the Democrats go on a tax-hiking spree to penalize successful earners and investors, they will pay for it dearly in 2010 and beyond.

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Re: This ain't no Nobel prize winner but worth a read
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 07:15:29 PM »
Well, for almost two years Obama has talked about cutting taxes for 95 percent of the people. McCain has no such record. And even though McCain has launched a strong Joe the Plumber investor-class tax-cutting surge in the last days of the campaign, it may not be enough to significantly impact Tuesday’s voting results.

Obama said he would reduce taxes for 95% of all taxpayers who pay income taxes, not of all the people.

Joe the Plumber is not an investor, not so far. McCain claimed that he was going to take Joe to Washington with him, so maybe he will become a bureaucrat. Or maybe Cindy just needs a bidet installed.
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Re: This ain't no Nobel prize winner but worth a read
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 08:43:25 PM »
Well, for almost two years Obama has talked about cutting taxes for 95 percent of the people. McCain has no such record. And even though McCain has launched a strong Joe the Plumber investor-class tax-cutting surge in the last days of the campaign, it may not be enough to significantly impact Tuesday’s voting results.

Obama said he would reduce taxes for 95% of all taxpayers who pay income taxes, not of all the people.

Joe the Plumber is not an investor, not so far. McCain claimed that he was going to take Joe to Washington with him, so maybe he will become a bureaucrat. Or maybe Cindy just needs a bidet installed.


Key word talked about..... and yet, when we put up the numbers, we find that 4% of the taxpayers pay 60% of the tax burden and 40% pay no tax at all.  That would equate to the upper to middle class (56%) pay 40% of the tax burden.   So if we decrease what the 56% pay and the 40% continue with the free ride (yeah yeah, I know they need someone to look after them) he must be figgering that the damn rich bastards are going to pay 80% of the total tax burden.   What the hell is he going to do when the rich say fuck it and stop being in business?   Wonder who is going to pick up the slack for his tax and spend government? 

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Re: This ain't no Nobel prize winner but worth a read
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 09:02:44 PM »
>>Obama said he would reduce taxes for 95% of all taxpayers who pay income taxes, not of all the people.<<

And people bought it. Just goes to show you.

However, he never said that exactly. He never said, "all taxpayers who pay income taxes". Again, people hear what they want to. Or they really don't care, so there's no point listening.

Maybe Barry will pay my car note and mortage too. Pay for my son and daughters college? He promised that too didn't he? Peace on Earth? And what about those flying cars we were promised when we were kids? Hopefully they won't run on electricy, with Barry promising to raise the price through the roof and all.