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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: R.R. on October 31, 2006, 12:50:07 PM
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“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.†- John Kerry
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As you guys are fond of saying about Bushidiot, Kerry aint running this time.
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As you guys are fond of saying about Bushidiot, Kerry aint running this time.
Kerry hasn't ruled out running in '08.
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As you guys are fond of saying about Bushidiot, Kerry aint running this time.
Kerry hasn't ruled out running in '08.
That still aint this time. Besides Bush idiot hasnt ruled out declaring Marshall law & staying past 2008. Both are as likely to succeed as Ken Blackwell being OH Gov..
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Besides Bush idiot hasnt ruled out declaring Marshall law & staying past 2008. Both are as likely to succeed as Ken Blackwell being OH Gov..
Yes ...... be very afraid.
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“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.†- John Kerry
Bullshit- Typical RW bullshit:
White House: Kerry insulted the troops. Kerry: No, I insulted Bush
Campaigning with California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides Monday, John Kerry told a crowd at Pasadena City College: "You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Kerry spokesman David Wade tells us that the senator was referring to George W. Bush -- a president not exactly known for his intellectual curiosity or academic successes -- but the GOP isn't buying it. The Republican National Committee says that Kerry, who volunteered for Vietnam after graduating from Yale, was belittling U.S. troops now serving in Iraq; John McCain has declared Kerry's comments "insensitive" and "ill-considered"; and Tony Snow said today that Kerry "not only owes an apology to those who are serving, but also to the families of those who have given their lives in this." Snow said that Democratic candidates like Jim Webb and Tammy Duckworth should be asked whether they're in accord with Kerry's "absolute insult."
Kerry will hold a press conference later today. In the meantime, he has issued a statement in which he pushes back hard. "If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy," Kerry said. "This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did."
Kerry said he won't be "lectured" by a "stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium" or by "doughy Rush Limbaugh," and that he's disgusted when "Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country, lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have." If anyone owes the troops an apology, he said, it's "George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it."
-- Tim Grieve
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/10/30/webb/print.html?blog=ARRAY(0x90037dc)
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Typical rightwing bullshit.
Clearly, he was talking about the moron known as Bush.
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I don't see how he can be referring to Bush in that statement. He was talking to students, urging them to study. Be smart. Thats the if part of the equation. The then part comes by desribing what happens if you don't.
During kerry's college days if you didn't do that, you would lose your student deferment and end up in Nam.
Were these remarks off the cuff ? Did he forget there is no draft?
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“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.†- John Kerry
"You"?
Is only specific if there is context .
Who was he speaking to ? What was the indication that he was speaking to the President?
Or about the President?
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“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.†- John Kerry
"You"?
Is only specific if there is context .
Who was he speaking to ? What was the indication that he was speaking to the President?
Or about the President?
It is obvious Bush never has made any effort to be smart. He is the anti-smart and he is the one stuck in Iraq.
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Wasn't there a news release showing Bush had better grades at Yale than either Bush or Kerry?
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First, I think we can fairly easily rule out Kerry as a frontrunning candidate for 2008.
As for the comment, regardless (yes, I am saying that) of the intent, this has the shelf life of a gallon of milk.
Kerry isn't running for anything right now. This would be as relevant as John Ashcroft popping off over something tomorrow.
Kerry is *old news*.
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We'll see about the shelf life. Just have to stay fresh for another week.
And no matter his intent, he pretty much called American Military personnel dumbasses.
Don't see that going over too well on main street.
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Wasn't there a news release showing Bush had better grades at Yale than either Bush or Kerry?
Oh you are sooo right Bush DID have better grades than Bush. He is not only The Anti-Smart, he is a multiple personality schizo!
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Wasn't there a news release showing Bush had better grades at Yale than either Bush or Kerry?
Are you sure? Did Bush really have better grades than Bush?
Do grades actually indicate an ability to govern?
Juniorbush is an anti-intellectual. He deliberately mispronounces words like Noo-cue-lur and sounds like he had just been coached to pronounce every word separately, as though he was repeating sentences told to him as someone would explain ideas slowly, as to a moron.
He can only repeat again and again the same stupid lines that were obviously fed to him by Rove or some other handler. Stay the course, stay the course, they hate our freedoms, they hate our freedoms.
Kerry may have made lower grades in the classes taught by the more difficult professors, and Juniorbush may have only taken courses taught by the profs who specialized in teaching 'Legacy' (ie dim hereditary) students.
Whatever the case, Juniorbush has made godawful choices and then performed in the most hideously incompetent way possible. It might be that he has been possessed by Lopez Rega, Isabel Peron's astrologer and Svengali.
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It is not the soldiers whose lack of study got them "stuck in Iraq". It is Rumsfeld, Cheney and Juniorbush.
Soldiers go where they are told, regardless of how well they studied.
Kerry was insulting Juniorbush and Co., not the soldiers.
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John Kerry is a loser, a fumbler yet an unrestrained ego. We'd all be grateful if he carted his sorry ass off stage, for good. That said, it's clear to me that the stumblebum intended to ridicule Bush as dumb. Not only was that his likely intent, his actual words can be construed that way, when th proper light is shone upon them.
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"Just have to stay fresh for another week."
Well, if the GOP wants to try to get some mileage out of Kerry's remarks, here is a prime suggestion;
Immediately muzzle George W Bush.
He is the last person you want leading any anti-Dem charge going into this election.
Everyday there's another story of additional deaths in Iraq, Bush is a political liability. Candidates are *running* away from him.
Locally, a race we have that shouldnt even be close is. Political neophite Dan Maffei is in a very tight race with Congressman Jim Walsh, who has been a very important ally for Bush. Maffei's camapign has been simple- he's ran against George Bush as much as Walsh, as Walsh has been a rubber stamp. Walsh has never had anything but token opposition- election before last, i think he actually ran unopposed.
The GOP will definitely be losing the seat of another strong Bush ally, the retiring Sherwood Boehlert. Despite the GOP pouring over $2 million in negative campaigning into this race, Mike Arcuri has a comfortable lead over Republican Ray Meier.
I dont see the GOP getting any traction on this at all if you're going to put the face of a failed war out front.
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I don't see the GOP getting any traction on this at all if you're going to put the face of a failed war out front.
Just shows Bush has a real lack of comprehension and strategic thinking. ::)
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I don't see the GOP getting any traction on this at all if you're going to put the face of a failed war out front.
Just shows Bush has a real lack of comprehension and strategic thinking. ::)
And he case can be made that THEY think the troops are dumb for taking it that way. They just think of the troops as cannon fodder just like they think of the fundies.
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I don't see the GOP getting any traction on this at all if you're going to put the face of a failed war out front.
Just shows Bush has a real lack of comprehension and strategic thinking. ::)
Actually it just shows how deep the do was that Kerry stepped in :P
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Actually it just shows how deep the do was that Kerry stepped in
Oh, come on sirs, this will make Bush look like a drowning man grabbing for a flotation device. No one is going to buy the Bush spin on the comment.
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Oh, come on sirs, this will make Bush look like a drowning man grabbing for a flotation device. No one is going to buy the Bush spin on the comment.
No one needs to go by anyone's spin. They just have to listen to what Kerry said. The more he tries to redefine what he said, the more the "do" he spreads. Perhaps we'll soon get a rendition of I really meant to apologize to the troops before I didn't apologize to the troops
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Sirs, we'll see what tomorrow will bring. I don't see it being high on the issue list and if Bush pushes to make it an issue, it will only hurt Bush in the long run. Bush is stupid and inept, that is what Kerry said.
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Sirs, we'll see what tomorrow will bring.....
What the hell does tomorrow bring? Is Kerry going to repeat what he said, yesterday? That's actually the more pertinent day ::)
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Tomorrow is one day closer to the election. Kerry still has time to make Bush look like the fool he is. We'll see what tomorrow will bring.
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Tomorrow is one day closer to the election. Kerry still has time to make Bush look like the fool he is. We'll see what tomorrow will bring.
Ummm, ok. Until then, Kerry still stepped in a bucket load of AMBE yesterday.
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Meanwhile, Mr. Maliki of Iraq has thrown "W" a curve ball. That is a big issue.
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Meanwhile, Mr. Maliki of Iraq has thrown "W" a curve ball. That is a big issue.
One can only wish that the politicans would actually stick to the issues vs inane jokes that demean our soldiers, or repeat lies about lies, and not be called on it by the media. One can only wish
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It is not the soldiers whose lack of study got them "stuck in Iraq". It is Rumsfeld, Cheney and Juniorbush.
Soldiers go where they are told, regardless of how well they studied.
Kerry was insulting Juniorbush and Co., not the soldiers.
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That's obvious.
103 of our troops killed in Iraq this month alone, 2,800+ all together, a war of choice based on lies, and they want KERRY to apologize? Not a frikking chance in hell.
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Iowa candidate asks Kerry to cancel campaign visit
DES MOINES, Iowa A Democratic Congressional candidate from Iowa is canceling a campaign event later this week with Senator John Kerry.
Brucy Braley says Kerry's recent comments about the Iraq war were inappropriate.
Braley is running against Republican Mike Whalen in Iowa's First District congressional race. It's a contest considered to be one of the most competitive House races in the country.
Braley's decision to distance himself from Kerry came as a furor grew from comments Kerry made about the Iraq War during a campaign stop in California on Monday.
Kerry said if you make the most of your education, you "can do well." The Democrat went on to say that is you don't, (quote) "you get stuck in Iraq."
The remarks prompted sharp criticism from some Republicans, including President Bush and Arizona Senator John McCain.
Kerry refused to apologize.
http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5616595&nav=F2DO
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It is not the soldiers whose lack of study got them "stuck in Iraq". It is Rumsfeld, Cheney and Juniorbush.
Soldiers go where they are told, regardless of how well they studied.
Kerry was insulting Juniorbush and Co., not the soldiers.
And Kerry mad this clear retroactively?
Or did he make it clear at the time?
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Kerry may have made lower grades in the classes taught by the more difficult professors, and Juniorbush may have only taken courses taught by the profs who specialized in teaching 'Legacy' (ie dim hereditary) students.
Wouldn't Kerry have qualified as a legacy student?
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I for one want Kerry to refuse to apologize to the soldiers he demeaned. Actually it would be good if he holds a press conference everyday and refuses to apologize. And i think it would be real good if candidates in close races show solidarity with Kerry by standing by him when he refuses to apologize for demeaning soldiers.
And i think it would be good for those who have described the military as being comprised of folks who are minorities and with little opportunities in life (low laying fruit) stood beside Kerry and reinforced what he said about staying in school and studying and getting an education so that they have more options than enlisting in the military so they can feed their families.
No way in hell should Kerry apologize. He said what he meant and meant what he said. and we all know he speaks truth to power.
And i think the dems are obligated to stand by him.
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I for one want Kerry to refuse to apologize to the soldiers he demeaned. Actually it would be good if he holds a press conference everyday and refuses to apologize. And i think it would be real good if candidates in close races show solidarity with Kerry by standing by him when he refuses to apologize for demeaning soldiers.
And i think it would be good for those who have described the military as being comprised of folks who are minorities and with little opportunities in life (low laying fruit) stood beside Kerry and reinforced what he said about staying in school and studying and getting an education so that they have more options than enlisting in the military so they can feed their families.
No way in hell should Kerry apologize. He said what he meant and meant what he said. and we all know he speaks truth to power.
And i think the dems are obligated to stand by him.
I do not believe that Kerry intended to insult the troops and i believe that the Bush Menstruation knows that and are only using it as a way to further exploit their cannon fodder. Nevertheless, what Kerry did not intend is true. The CIC is is a dolt and anyone that willingly follows the dolt is a bigger one.
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Kerry cancels Mankato appearance
The Free Press
MANKATO —
The dueling rallies scheduled for Mankato today on behalf of Republican congressman Gil Gutknecht and Democratic challenger Tim Walz lost some of their pizzaz Tuesday night when Sen. John Kerry pulled out of the Democratic rally.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the front-runner for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, is the star attraction at a rally at the Midwest Wireless Civic Center for Gutknecht and Gov. Tim Pawlenty.
Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee pulled out of the DFL event, which will still be held, as the result of a controversy over comments he made Monday in California.
Walz communication director Meredith Salsbery said Kerry canceled his visit to keep the focus on the issues and away from Kerry’s comments and McCain’s response.
She wouldn’t comment on whether Walz asked Kerry not to campaign for him, but said the decision was ultimately the senator’s choice.
Both of today’s rallies are free and open to the public and are expected to last about an hour. McCain will be in the East Banquet Hall at the Civic Center. The event begins at 10:10 a.m., but people need to arrive by 9:50 a.m. The doors open at 9:15 a.m. No backpacks or other bags are allowed.
Doors open at MSU’s Taylor Center at 11 a.m. for the Walz event with music by Martin Zellar beginning at 11:15 a.m. The rally begins at noon. Parking around campus is expected to be very limited, but shuttle buses will run starting at 10:30 a.m. from the Madison East Center.
http://www.mankatofreepress.com/local/local_story_305000815.html?keyword=topstory
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Did Kerry Hand Republicans a November gift?
By JAKE TAPPER, MIKE CALLAHAN and AVERY MILLER
WASHINGTON, D.C., Oct. 31, 2006 — For weeks, Republicans on the campaign trail have been looking for something — anything — to talk about other than the record of the Republican Congress and the way the Bush administration has conducted the war in Iraq.
Monday, they got their wish. While stumping for local Democrats in California, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., addressed students at Pasadena City College and made a comment about education and the war in Iraq that lent itself to much controversy.
"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said.
It was a rhetorical gift for the embattled Republican Party, which is eager to run against Kerry again. The White House, in an unusual move, notified the media ahead of time that the president would address Kerry's comment in remarks at today's campaign rally in Georgia.
Election Fodder
The Kerry kerfuffle is a prototype for controversies of the new media age. "Thanks to the Internet, all life is on the record now," observed Jeff Jarvis, a journalism professor at the City University of New York. "Everything a politician says and does is public and the world can see in a second. … that's life now."
After Kerry's remarks were mentioned on the Web sites of local newspapers, including the Whittier Daily News, the video popped up on YouTube and conservative blogs like Newsbusters.org, and then talk radio seized on them.
Though, as opposed to 2004, it didn't take Kerry weeks to respond to attacks against him. Shortly before noon Tuesday, Kerry, a Vietnam veteran, responded, insisting in a statement that he had not belittled the intelligence of soldiers serving in Iraq, but rather that of "the president who got us stuck there."
But it may have been too late. The train had left the station.
"I believe Sen. Kerry owes an apology to many thousands of Americans serving in Iraq, who answered their country's call," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., campaigning in Indiana.
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh said, "It tells us what John Kerry himself and the Democratic Party think about the troops and the U.S. military."
By the time Kerry got to a microphone in Seattle this afternoon to explain what he called a botched joke about the president, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans, had already heard about it and Republican candidates were talking about it.
"It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks who have never worn the uniform of our country are willing to lie about those who did," Kerry added.
What's unclear is if Kerry's comments will help rally Republican voters or help their party portray Democrats as against the troops to score victories next Tuesday. A Democratic congressman told ABC News Tuesday, "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2619383&page=1
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Sirs, we'll see what tomorrow will bring. I don't see it being high on the issue list and if Bush pushes to make it an issue, it will only hurt Bush in the long run. Bush is stupid and inept, that is what Kerry said.
This is what "tomorrow" has brought. Democrat after Democrat criticising KERRY for his remarks, not Bush. Soldiers in Iraq showcasing a GREAT sign for the good Senator, and Cartoonists salivating at the new material. Just a token sampling of some
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Tee, might actually like this one.
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And perhaps the best one, IMHO
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The graduation rate at most universities is a lot lower than you think. 30% or fewer who began college four years ago will finish this year. There are many dropouts. Some do actually join the military.
It is actually true that a person with a healthy instinct for survival might think twice for signing up for the military, considering that the end of the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan is not in sight. It is highly probable that a recent enlistee might be sent to somewhere they will be shot at.
It is quite unlikely that that single enlistee would cause the US tio win a victory in either Iraq or Afghanistan. It is far more likely that they would be killed or maimed horribly.
Let's just say that staying alive would be more difficult for a recent enlistee than it was for a mamber of the Texas or Alabama Airforce
national Guard when Juniorbush was a member, either before or after the yella sumbitch went AWOL.