DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on October 01, 2008, 03:21:02 AM
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.....right (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645)?
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<<"You do your best to get candidates to answer your question. But I also trust the viewers to understand when questions are not answered and reach their own conclusions," Ifill told BlackAmericaWeb.>>
from the article itself:
<<"You do your best to get candidates to answer your question. But I also trust the viewers to understand when questions are not answered and reach their own conclusions," Ifill told BlackAmericaWeb.>>
In a similar vein, you could also trust the viewers to reach their own conclusion as to who won the debate if the moderator kept cutting off Palin but let Biden have all the time he needed to answer the same questions.
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Obama getting the nomination is a major accomplishment, and a major event in ther political history of the US. It is indisputable that this was done by the Democratic, not the Republican Party. Republicans hadthe same opportunity to fund JC Watts or Alan Keys, but they didn't. Either of these was as good a candidate as Tom Tancredo or the lazy actor, Fred Thompson, after all.
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Ifill should clearly recuse herself from the debate.
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Can you imagine Sean Hannity moderating a debate between Palin & Biden? Can you imagine the appropriate flack that would get? But this.....this perfectly acceptable. Let the viewers judge for themselves.....AFTER the fact of course
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Whiny, baby ass Republicans ... Jeezus H. Keerist on a crutch, either do your research beforehand or quitcherbitchin' when you get bit in the ass.
Ifill's book was no secret
Michael Calderone
Michelle Malkin and World Net Daily have made a lot of noise today about the fact the Gwen Ifill, the moderator of Thursday's VP debate, has a new book coming on Inauguration day about Barack Obama and the politics of race -- it's now leading on the front of Drudge.
Fox's Greta Van Susteren reports that the McCain campaign didn't know about it.
"I am stunned?.the campaign (actually both) should have been told before the campaign agreed to have her moderate. It simply is not fair -- in law, this would create a mistrial."
But one didn't have to go the lengths of oppo research to find out about a book that was hiding in plain sight on Amazon and the Random house website.
Not to mention, Ifill discussed it with Howard Kurtz last month in the Washington Post, in the only profile she's done before the debate. (And I'd imagine someone in the campaign should have read it).
To the extent she can carve out any spare time, Ifill is working on a book called "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama." She focuses on the Democratic nominee and such up-and-coming black politicians as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick and Newark Mayor Cory Booker.
"We're very lazy when we think about race in this country," Ifill says. "We try to put it in a box. It's Jesse versus Al, or Jesse and Al versus everyone else," she says, referring to Jackson and Sharpton. "We love simplistic conflict. There's a whole group of people who have Ivy League degrees and immense accomplishments who actually benefited from the things their parents were fighting for."
Regardless, the story's getting major play on cable news, especially Fox.
This morning with Bill Hemmer, Fox analyst Juan Williams spoke admirably of Ifill as a journalist but admitted that "it looks like she has some investment" in the outcome of the election, and that "there's a perception problem." The FoxNews.com headline: "VP Debate Moderator Pens Pro-Obama Book."
I think Malkin and other critics have a right to raise questions about whether Ifill should be moderating, but at the same time, it's not as if the veteran PBS journalist has been keeping the book under wraps until now. It's also a logical question to ask whether an Obama book would sell better or worse depending on the outcome of the election. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that if Obama's sworn in on the Jan. 20 pub date, a book with "Obama" in the title will sell more copies.
Legitimate questions, indeed. So why is this coming up less than 36 hours before Palin and Biden hit the stage?
UPDATE: A spokesperson for PBS's NewsHour said that Ifill is en route to the debate in St. Louis. When asked whether Ifill might disclose that she's writing this book during the debate, the spokesperson said he had no knowledge that she would, and declined to comment further. I also have a call into the Commission on Presidential Debates, and will update if they have a comment.
UPDATE 2: McCain's first responses @ http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081001/pl_politico/22784 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081001/pl_politico/22784)
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Good thing I'm not a Republican. I might have taken offense to that last post
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This is a bunch of BS!
An Obama worshiper as the debate host?
There should be no debate unless Sean Hannity is named the co-debate host.
1 Liberal Biased Host & 1 Conservative Biased Host = Fair
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How was she chosen?
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Gwen Ifill is a professional news announcer. Hannity is just a dismal hack like Rush, O'Reilly and Coulter. I have not noticed any bias whatever in her announcing or the hosting of her Friday night show. The least you can do is give her a chance.
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.....right (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645)?
McCain doesn't seem to think so.
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Gwen Ifill is a professional news announcer. Hannity is just a dismal hack like Rush, O'Reilly and Coulter. I have not noticed any bias whatever in her announcing or the hosting of her Friday night show. The least you can do is give her a chance.
Her preference is showing, Chronkite had a very simular preference that he hid quite well untill he retired.
Would we rather know or not know?
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Um, she rights a book about race, politics and Obama and you ASSUME she loves Obama. Last I heard, she's a big pal of one Condie Rice and a rightwinger.
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Simple follow-up...was the book pro-Obama, anti-Obama, or non-Obama? And Last I heard, Mary Maitlan was still married to James Carville
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Um, she rights a book about race, politics and Obama and you ASSUME she loves Obama. Last I heard, she's a big pal of one Condie Rice and a rightwinger.
Maybe that is because they know how pervasive their own prejudice is. Ifill ia at least 1000 better than these buffoons.
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Simple follow-up...was the book pro-Obama, anti-Obama, or non-Obama? And Last I heard, Mary Maitlan was still married to James Carville
So, you don't even know and you guys are lambasting her for writing a book?
Wow...you do know all of this would never have come up if your guy hadn't picked a running mate that was in no way qualified for the presidency? Right?
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So, you don't even know and you guys are lambasting her for writing a book?
Title of the article: "VP debate moderator Ifill releasing pro-Obama book"
I would assume that the book is pro-Obama. If it's not, I'm sure you would have told us that already.
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So, you don't even know and you guys are lambasting her for writing a book?
Title of the article: "VP debate moderator Ifill releasing pro-Obama book"
I would assume that the book is pro-Obama. If it's not, I'm sure you would have told us that already.
And where'd that article come from? Drudge?
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Simple follow-up...was the book pro-Obama, anti-Obama, or non-Obama? And Last I heard, Mary Maitlan was still married to James Carville
So, you don't even know and you guys are lambasting her for writing a book?
I do. The question is directed to you however. Gonna answer it?
you do know all of this would never have come up if your guy hadn't picked a running mate that was in no way qualified for the presidency? Right?
ahhh....I wouldn't be so hard on Obama. He would be qualified to be a good teacher
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I suggest that it is entirely possible to write a book about how Obama came to be the first Black person to attain gthe nomination of a major party without being pro or anti-Obama.
If some Faux News guy got the moderator job you'd all be high-fiving each other from now till Sunday.
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No, we'd be acknowledging, JUST LIKE NOW, the potential conflict of interest in the most, and the potiantial leaning towards 1 candidate over another, in the least
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It was very unprofessional of Ifill not to disclose this book to either campaign or the presidential debate commission.
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Precisely
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It was very unprofessional of Ifill not to disclose this book to either campaign or the presidential debate commission.
How do you know that she didn't?
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And where'd that article come from? Drudge?
Did you check the link?
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Why don't you check links instead of bugging people about them? It would take less time, 'cause you're such an expert at everything. Or do you consider your role that of a mentor, Dutch uncle or nag?
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Why don't you check links instead of bugging people about them?
I did, that's why I knew the title of the article. Simple logic.
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Good thing I'm not a Republican. I might have taken offense to that last post
Think I'd care?
She wrote a book. Apparently it was public knowledge she wrote the book, and she took no pains to hide the fact that she wrote the book. When the McBama-Paden people and the O'Cain-Bilin people got togetther to set the ground rules, location, date, time and moderator for the debate, maybe they shoulda paid more attention to what, and whom, they agreed to. It's a little late to come crying that she may not be impartial, especially since 1) there is no evidence she isn't, and 2) it simply makes the Republicans who planned the debate look like a buncha saps for not doing their homework.
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She wrote a book. Apparently it was public knowledge she wrote the book, and she took no pains to hide the fact that she wrote the book.
She hasn't published it yet.
Ifill's profile on the website describes her as a longtime correspondent and moderator for national news programs and includes her service as moderator of the 2004 debate between Edwards and Cheney.
However, there's no mention of her upcoming book. Nor does the website for the Commission on Presidential Debates mention her book.
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Said she's written it, didn't say it was published yet - read the article and you'll see publication is planned for January, IIRC.
And I know she was asked it she was going to include this incident as a part of the book. And that it wasn't publicized that she had written the book, though it was obviously known by others, and she took no pains to hide the fact.
Any other hairs you wanna split?
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Since the Book is about BHO and is scheduled to hit the bookstores on Inauguration day, she stands to make more money after a BHO win than a JSM win.
I don't think it would hurt her to recuse herself as a judge would , but the candidates are not demanding it , and she seems to feel that she can be journalistic professional , so it is her option.
Having a journalist of admitted prejudice is probably better than having one with secret prejudice.
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If the campaign staffs are happy with Ifill, then I see no reason to worry.
If they didn't want her there, they would insist on someone else.
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If the campaign staffs are happy with Ifill, then I see no reason to worry.
If they didn't want her there, they would insist on someone else.
Gwen only about 100 times more able and 1000 times brighter than Palin which is the real reason the nutcase right is doing this (no doubt ith McSameastheidiots tacit approval).Being an able and fearless journalist , my guess is that the old Repub tactic of smear and intimidation will not work onher. I am hoping she will say that at the beginning of the debate. Wouldnt that throw Palin the Moron off?
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It's appalling that Ifill got herself in a position to moderate this debate. She pulled a fast one.
She also just recently wrote a very glowing portrait of the Obamas for Essence magazine called "An American Family." I read a little of it, and it is nauseating in its puffiness. She also stands to make $300,000 on the book if Obama is elected. If he's not elected, a book about the "Age of Obama" won't sell that well. She has a vested interest that Obama and Biden win this election.
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If he's not elected, a book about the "Age of Obama" won't sell that well. She has a vested interest that Obama and Biden win this election.
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It will sell well enough. Big Oil has a vested interest in McCain and Palin. So what? Should they have censored the clowns chanting "drill babay drill" at the GOP convention?
If McCain didn't want Ifill to moderate, they could have vetoed her.
It is pretty obvious if a moderator favors one side over the other.
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(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk253/christheparrothead/100108_ifill.jpg)
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Surely you have better thigs to do with your time. I tink you would find masturbation an improvement.
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Miss Cynthia......any comments you wish to apply?
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"I tink you would find masturbation an improvement"
Do really have to be so classless and vulgar?
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa56/USA2008/Politics/mybanner48c06347539d6uk3.jpg)
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Do you have to be such a hateful selfish ratwinger?
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"Do you have to be such a hateful selfish ratwinger?"
reality check again:
please tell me how you know how much i donate to charity every single year?
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If he's not elected, a book about the "Age of Obama" won't sell that well. She has a vested interest that Obama and Biden win this election.
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It will sell well enough. Big Oil has a vested interest in McCain and Palin. So what? Should they have censored the clowns chanting "drill babay drill" at the GOP convention?
If McCain didn't want Ifill to moderate, they could have vetoed her.
It is pretty obvious if a moderator favors one side over the other.
How will big oil suffer if BHO wins the election?
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They will not suffer, but they will also not get a huge tax break that McCain wants to give to all corporations.
They also might get a windfall profits tax. That would also not cause them to suffer, but it would cause them to have less money.
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They will not suffer, but they will also not get a huge tax break that McCain wants to give to all corporations.
They also might get a windfall profits tax. That would also not cause them to suffer, but it would cause them to have less money.
If someone is selling me gasoline and his taxes rise , I should not mind the increase in my cost?
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If someone is selling me gasoline and his taxes rise , I should not mind the increase in my cost?
I mind every increase in every price I pay.
You better believe that the station that eats the increase will get my business.
Does he give a sh*t about my taxes or salary? Not even a small turd does he care. So why shouldn't I mind if he tries to stick me with his damned taxes?
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If someone is selling me gasoline and his taxes rise , I should not mind the increase in my cost?
I mind every increase in every price I pay.
You better believe that the station that eats the increase will get my business.
Does he give a sh*t about my taxes or salary? Not even a small turd does he care. So why shouldn't I mind if he tries to stick me with his damned taxes?
You will give your business to the least expensive store?
How is that diffrent than all the rest of us?
The profit margin on Gasoline is thin , so an increase in taxes will be passed along pretty quickly .
It is alright for a high volume business to have a narrow profit margin , but there will be a minimum, and none of them will allow a negative profit margin.
The windfall profit tax was tried before ,a nd the Public clamored for relief.
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A Windfalls profit tax will do NOTHING to increase supply, or to decrease the price of gasoline at the pump. All it is is some arbitrary effort to "punish" big oil for making their so called "obscene profits" No more than that