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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2011, 10:57:19 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 20, 2011, 11:22:04 AM
Genocide is the extermination of a specific RACE or NATIONALITY of one group by another

So it is merely infantacide on a larger scale than any geonocide has ever been?

Do you know what purportion of the dead are minoritys? It might still meet your more narrow definition.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2011, 11:05:25 PM »
Foetuses are not a race of people. Abortion is not genocide. This is just preposterous.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2011, 11:09:32 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 20, 2011, 11:05:25 PM
Foetuses are not a race of people. Abortion is not genocide. This is just preposterous.

   They are people , mere coincidence that most of the victims in the US are black, but if it isn't racially motivated it isn't wrong?
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2011, 11:38:10 PM »
Black women having abortions is not genocide, please.

I do not think that most abortions are among Blacks in this country, anyway.

But it simply is not up to me. Women have a right to have children or not as they desire. If it is a moral issue, it is a personal, not a societal, issue.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2011, 07:37:26 AM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 20, 2011, 11:38:10 PM
Black women having abortions is not genocide, please.

I do not think that most abortions are among Blacks in this country, anyway.

But it simply is not up to me. Women have a right to have children or not as they desire. If it is a moral issue, it is a personal, not a societal, issue.


   Do you realy see nothing wrong with it?
    Why do some people object to being described as pro-Abortion?
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2011, 07:49:07 AM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 20, 2011, 11:38:10 PM
I do not think that most abortions are among Blacks in this country, anyway.

The absolute numbers are not, but then that's because blacks are a minority. The *rate* of abortions among blacks is something like 30 times that among whites.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2011, 01:08:37 PM »
Why do some people object to being described as pro-Abortion?

Because they are NOT pro abortion. They do not tell anyone to get an abortion. They do not publicly recommend abortions. They simply believe that a woman has a right to have an abortion if she wishes.

If I say that people should be free to eat escargot, that does not make me "pro snail". It does not even mean that I like to eat snails.

If I believe that people have the right to own a gun, that does not mean that I think that everyone should have a gun. It does not make me "pro gun". It simply means that I believe that people have the right to control their own lives without government or society barging in to stop them.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2011, 01:17:54 PM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 21, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
Why do some people object to being described as pro-Abortion?

Because they are NOT pro abortion. They do not tell anyone to get an abortion.....They simply believe that a woman has a right to have an abortion if she wishes.

strawman alert.....no one is saying people are being told they HAVE to have an abortion.  The issue is abortion itself, always has, always will.  So, why do people have a problem being referred to as pro-abortion if they support it??




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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2011, 03:44:39 PM »
Because they do NOT support or oppose any abortions: they merely believe that women have the right to have or not have an abortion without interference from petty twerps like you messing with their rights.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2011, 04:03:06 PM »
So...they don't like the term pro-abortion because they don't like being criticized for supporting the killing of an unborn child?  gotcha
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2011, 01:42:39 AM »
Pro -abortion is what it is.

The Pro abortion faction in victory have made abortion an unasailable and unregulated industry with better protection under the law than any other right.

   Every abortion ends a human life , like slavery four generations ago there is little middle ground for a moderate to stand on.

     Why not embrace the fact that Pro-abortion is pro-abortion? Isn't abortion a GOOD thing?
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2011, 10:37:38 AM »
Abortion should be a choice. And an individual choice. You don't want one, don't have one.

Opposition to choice is opposition to personal freedom. As I said, if men could have an abortion, it would be a holy sacrament.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2011, 10:47:31 AM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 22, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
Abortion should be a choice. And an individual choice. You don't want one, don't have one.

Opposition to choice is opposition to personal freedom.

Substitute "firearm ownership" for "abortion" and you have one of my core beliefs.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2011, 11:02:03 AM »
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on April 22, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
Abortion should be a choice. And an individual choice. You don't want one, don't have one.

Opposition to choice is opposition to personal freedom. As I said, if men could have an abortion, it would be a holy sacrament.

No one is opposing choice, as the woman is free to choose anything......except abortion, which brings us back full circle to what the issue is, which is NOT choice.  Its pro-abortion vs anti-abortion.  Why, for those who support that option, do they run for the hills from that word, I wonder.  You would think it would be embraced
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2011, 12:06:07 PM »
They don't run from the word.

It is merely inaccurate.

I am sorry that you can't understand the logic involved, but I am giving up on you.

You can't teach a pig to sing: it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
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