Gun Control is Black Control?

[sirs]

This isn't going to sit well with a certain leftist language professor, who kept proclaiming how the 2nd amendment was largely to help to track & hunt down wayward slaves. 

OUCH....Like clockwork, he got it 180 degrees wrong

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is just crap. No one believes this sort of rancid shit. No one with a brain.

The NRA was founded as a HUNTING organization. That is why it is not called the National Gun Association or the National Pistol Association. Rifles are hunting weapons.

Whatever the NRA was formed for, it is not longer fulfilling that purpose. It is now a shill for the ammo and guns industry and an assemblage of gun nuts.

Laura Ingram is just another Fox dumb blonde.

Fox News is nothing but a paid collective of liars and propagandists.

[sirs]

So now even prescious black leaders are full of crap?  LOL  Did that sting a little on how wrong you were made to look?  Now you're trying trying to rationalize its name.  It was founded in 1871, to advance rifle marksmanship....NOT hunt.  Specifically due to poor marksmanship efforts during the Civil War.  Soon after it was integral in how it PROTECTED SLAVES, NOT HUNT THEM DOWN, as you kept claiming. 

Ingram wasn't making these claims.  Nor was Fox News.  Black leaders were.  You've been shown the door on the NRA.  Don't let the door hit you, on the way out      (no, that doesn't mean you should be banished, or prevented from spewing your nonsense.  It's merely rhetorical in how you just got rhetorically slapped, by CURRENT DAY Black leaders, who understand the importance the NRA was when it was founded, TO ITS CURRENT STATE

[Xavier_Onassis]

You are clearly full of shit. This is made up Fox News Dumb B;londe propaganda of the lowest order.  This is a Pants On Fire lie.

The Black Panthers  started to talk about guns, and  Mark Clark and Fred Hampton were murdered in their beds during the Nixon years.

Here is the REAL story about this nonsense:

NRA founded to fight KKK, black leader says

By Tom Kertscher on Wednesday, June 5th, 2013 at 9:00 a.m.

On May 28, 2013, the Republican Party of Milwaukee County posted on its website a video that has been popping up elsewhere on the Internet.

The video features African-American leaders speaking out against proposals to restrict gun rights at a Feb. 22, 2013 news conference in Washington, D.C. Among them: Harry Alford, president and chief executive officer of the D.C.-based National Black Chamber of Commerce.

Alford, who spoke in Milwaukee in 2008, said at one point:

"I want to thank the Lord for our Constitution. I also want to thank the NRA for its legacy. The National Rifle Association was started, founded by religious leaders who wanted to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan."

Well known as a defender of the right to bear arms, the 5 million-member NRA does describe itself as "America's longest-standing civil rights organization."

But is that why it was founded?

Not even close.

What the NRA says

Here’s what the NRA says on its website about its founding:

Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the State of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.

An important facet of the NRA's creation was the development of a practice ground. In 1872, with financial help from New York State, a site on Long Island, the Creed Farm, was purchased for the purpose of building a rifle range. Named Creedmoor, the range opened a year later, and it was there that the first annual matches were held.

No mention of religious leaders, slaves or the KKK.

Brief histories of the NRA by The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post contain no such mentions, either. We called and emailed the NRA to inquire about Alford’s claim, but the group offered no response. (Milwaukee County Republican Party chairman David Karst told us he wasn’t sure why the party posted the video on its website.)

Alford’s evidence

Alford’s wife, National Black Chamber of Commerce executive vice president Kay DeBow Alford, provided us three articles to back her husband’s claim.

But none of them do.

1. PolicyMic.com: A January 2013 article on PolicyMic.com, which describes itself as a platform to "engage millennials in debates about real issues," notes that the NRA founders started the group because of the Union soldiers’ poor marksmanship and it calls the NRA the oldest civil rights organization in the United States.

No mention of religious leaders founding the NRA to protect freed slaves from the KKK.

2. Ann Coulter: In an April 2012 opinion column, conservative author and commentator Ann Coulter said that when civil rights leader Robert F. Williams returned home to Monroe, N.C., after serving in World War II, the Ku Klux Klan was "beating, lynching and murdering blacks at will."

In 1957, Williams got a charter from the NRA, founded the Black Armed Guard and repeatedly thwarted KKK attacks, Coulter wrote. She didn't say whether the NRA played a role in the guard's fighting the Klan.

Again, no reference to religious leaders or slaves. And the fighting against the KKK -- whether it involved the NRA or not -- would have occurred more than 85 years after the NRA’s founding.

3. Psychology professor’s article: A January 2013 article by psychology professor Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College in Grove City, Pa., not only doesn’t support Alford’s claim, it disputes it.

Throckmorton noted that the NRA’s website makes no mention of the KKK or getting guns in the hands of newly freed slaves. He said he found no evidence in the early charter of the NRA, or the biographies of the founders, either.

Other evidence

So, even tangentially, is there anything to Alford’s statement?

Two historians -- Jerald Podair of Lawrence University in Wisconsin and Kenneth Janken of the University of North Carolina -- said there is no evidence to support the statement.

But, as an aside, here’s more information on Coulter's reference to Williams, the civil rights leader, and the KKK in North Carolina. It’s from the University of Florida-produced documentary "Negroes with Guns: Rob Williams and Black Power":

In 1956, Williams took over leadership of the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, which was close to disbanding due to the Ku Klux Klan. Williams filed for a charter from the NRA and formed the Black Guard, an armed group committed to the protection of blacks.

It's unclear, however, whether the NRA provided any assistance, based on what Williams' widow, Mabel, said in a University of North Carolina oral history interview.

Mabel Williams said her husband altered the occupations of the members when applying for the NRA charter. "I'm sure when we joined and the years after then, had they known we were a black group, they would have revoked our charter," she said.

Our rating

Harry Alford, the head of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, said the National Rifle Association was "founded by religious leaders who wanted to protect freed slaves from the Ku Klux Klan."

We can’t say whether he was misinformed or intended to mislead. But the NRA itself says the group was formed by Union Civil War veterans to improve soldiers’ marksmanship. And we found no evidence that religious leaders founded the NRA to protect freed slaves from the KKK.

The claim is not only inaccurate but ridiculous -- Pants on Fire.

[sirs]

Not sure why you're posting an article that COMPLETELY BACKS UP WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. But, ok
- founded to improve marksmanship NOT hunt down wayward slaves
- an organization that helped DEFEND freed slaves
- an organization that helped DEFEND AGAINST THE KKK
- in its current format, a PRIMARY FUNCTION OF TEACHING SAFE FIREARMS USE
- while its Legislative portion has a PRIMARY FUNCTION OF DEFENDING THE 2ND AMENDMENT

Thank you for the assistance

[Xavier_Onassis]

Bullshit! Read it again.

It says exactly the OPPOSITE. The NRA was founded by hunters, for hunters. Race was not a motivation. What I posted says exactly that.

You can't read writing. Not my fault.

[sirs]

NOT what the NRA says.  It was not founded by hunters for hunters.  It was founded in 1871, due to the poor results the union soldiers were having in firing on the confederate soldiers.  It was founded to improve rifle marksmanship, and quickly became a staunch defender of freed blacks

Like I said, you really need to stick with Spanish, as your efforts reinvent history, really sucks

[Xavier_Onassis]

Read the damned thing, twit.

Here’s what the NRA says on its website about its founding:

Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the State of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president.

An important facet of the NRA's creation was the development of a practice ground. In 1872, with financial help from New York State, a site on Long Island, the Creed Farm, was purchased for the purpose of building a rifle range. Named Creedmoor, the range opened a year later, and it was there that the first annual matches were held.

No mention of religious leaders, slaves or the KKK.

Brief histories of the NRA by The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post contain no such mentions, either. We called and emailed the NRA to inquire about Alford’s claim, but the group offered no response. (Milwaukee County Republican Party chairman David Karst told us he wasn’t sure why the party posted the video on its website.)

[sirs]

Yes.....now the question is can you?  I recommend starting right after "dismayed"

[Xavier_Onassis]

Nothing in the article I posted says one damned thing about how the NRA was founded to help Black people defend themselves. NOTHING!

[sirs]

AND I NEVER SAID THAT'S HOW THE NRA WAS FOUNDED.  IT WAS HOWEVER, FOLLOWING ITS FOUNDING, INTEGRAL IN DEFENDING FREED SLAVES, VIA THE 2ND AMENDMENT

[Xavier_Onassis]

What bullshit. Prove it to yourself. Here's how:

Dye yourself black and walk around with a rifle and see how everyone understands your dedication to the Effing Second Amendment: I double Dawg Dare you.

[sirs]

I don't have to prove it.  The video provided made that perfectly clear

[Plane]

10 Surprising Facts About the NRA That You Never Hear

http://mic.com/articles/23929/10-surprising-facts-about-the-nra-that-you-never-hear
  By Jack Lee January 23, 2013
 



With gun control being a hot topic, in addition to the Obama administration recently unveiling 23 executive orders to address gun violence, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has been front and center in the debate against such measures.

But the NRA has a long and storied history that goes beyond just opposing additional gun control legislation and being the chief proponent of the Second Amendment in the United States. Here, we will go over 10 facts about the NRA that many don't know, in order to gain some insight into the background of the organization.

1. The NRA was originally not a civil rights organization.

Conant Church

The NRA was founded in 1871 after the Civil War by Army and Navy Journal editor William Conant Church (pictured above) and General George Wood Wingate of the Union Army, who were both dismayed at the horrible accuracy of Union soldiers during the Civil War. The original purpose of the organization was for rifle marksmanship training. However despite this, the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the United States.

2. The NRA has a history of being for gun control.

John Dillinger

In 1934, the NRA supported the National Firearms Act, which served to regulate and tax firearms that were considered used by gangsters at the time. They also supported the Gun Control Act of 1968, which expanded on the system to license firearm dealers and prohibit criminals and those with mental impairments from owning firearms.

3. The NRA has a history of supporting the Civil Rights Movement.

KKK

While African Americans were being terrorized by the Ku Klux Klan, where the Klan were sometimes aided by local law enforcement, the NRA setup charters to help train local African American communities to be able protect themselves. The most prominent case being in 1960 in Monroe, N.C. where the local National Association for the Advancement of Colored People head Robert Williams also chartered an NRA Rifle Club that successully defended an assault on one of their leader's homes by the KKK without casualties.

4. The NRA is active in wildlife conservation.

Colorado hunting

The NRA supports wildlife conservation through efforts to open lands up to managed hunting. For example, under the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937, proceeds obtained through a tax on hunting firearms and ammo were used specifically to research and rebuild a vast array of wildlife species and habitats. Today, the NRA continues to seek expansion on these measures. It's worth noting that the proceeds from taxes and licensing go to support the governmental agencies charged with environmental research and conservation management, as "little funding comes from taxes paid by the general public."

5. The NRA offers extensive firearms training programs.

NRA firearms training program

The organization offers training programs for civilians as well as law enforcement. The training programs offered are even recognized by law enforcement as acceptable to fulfill the training requirement for concealed carry licenses (CCW). Today, the NRA has trained over 10,000 police and security firearm instructors and 55,000 certified instructors who in turn train roughly 750,000 people a year.


6. The Eddie Eagle GunSafe program is used to promote gun safety to minors.

Eddie Eagle GunSafe program

To date, the organization's Eddie Eagle GunSafe program has reached over 25 million kids. The main message of the program is to teach kids that should they find a firearm that they should "stop, don't touch, leave the area, and tell an adult." Despite the program's message, gun control advocates (such as the Violence Policy Center) liken the program to the late cigarette mascot "Joe Camel."

7. A majority of Americans have a favorable image of the NRA.

NRA meeting

According to a recent Gallup poll, 54% of Americans hold a favorable view of the NRA, while 38% have an unfavorable view. Putting this in perspective, a more recent Gallup poll shows President Obama holds a 51% approval rating, while 43% disapprove.

8. The NRA has 3 seperate organizations.

NRA foundation

The NRA has three separate bodies. The NRA of America is mainly concerned with promoting training, education, and safety. The NRA-ILA is the lobbying arm of the organization. And the NRA Foundation is the the charitable arm of the organization.

9. Funding for the NRA might surprise you

One Million gun challenge

According to FactCheck.org, nearly half of the funding for the NRA comes from membership dues alone. Voluntary donations to the NRA, however, still account for a majority portion of the remaining funding. This includes voluntary donations made during gun purchases at the point of sale as well as programs like the "round-up" campaign, operated by the NRA-ILA and retailers, where consumers can round a purchase up to the nearest dollar for donation to support lobbying efforts. With that said, gun manufacturers do donate to the NRA as well. For example, Sturm, Ruger, and Co., ran the "Million Gun Challenge" in 2011, which directly ties gun sales to donations with the target being one million dollars.

10. Current stance on gun Control

Gun background check

The NRA's current stance on gun control is to enforce existing laws more aggressively. In 2008, in response to the Virgina Tech shooting, the NRA helped to pass the "NICS Improvement Act," which would provide increased funding and grants to states to report vital information to the National Instant Background Check System (NICS), such as mental health. The NICS is used for background checks of potential gun buyers. Unfortunately, the system has been woefully underfunded (receiving only 5.3% of the authorized funding) and reporting has been lackluster. In addition, the NRA has pointed out that those who lie on their background checks when purchasing firearms are for the most part not prosecuted. In response to this, Vice President Biden claimed that they "don't have the time" to prosecute such violations, which, by the way, carries a minimum 5 year federal sentence, if convicted under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

[Plane]

   Who said that hunting was the focus of the NRA's founders?

    Sounds from reading this today that it was founded by Union Generals that were not satisfied with the number of Rebels that fell per thousand rounds fired at them.
     The Army itself was not involved , these were retired Generals who were considering the likelihood of the US needing better marksmanship in the future.




There is another Organization with similar purpose but more government involvement.

The CMP can connect you with a shooting club , training in safety and effectiveness, and can sell you a retired military rifle or pistol.

But they do not Lobby.

That is what the NRA is for.

CMP
 The federal law enacted in 1996 (Title 36 U. S. Code, 40701-40733) that created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety, Inc. (CPRPFS, the formal legal name of the CMP) mandates these key “functions for the corporation:
1.To instruct citizens of the United States in marksmanship;
2.To promote practice and safety in the use of firearms;
3.To conduct competitions in the use of firearms and to award trophies, prizes, badges, and other insignia to competitors.

The law specifically states: In carrying out the Civilian Marksmanship Program, the corporation shall give priority to activities that benefit firearms safety, training, and competition for youth and that reach as many youth participants as possible.
https://thecmp.org/about/