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Guess who Trump is compared to.
« on: July 26, 2015, 08:49:15 PM »
 Andres Oppenheimer: What Trump has in common with Hugo Chávez

By Andres Oppenheimer

The conventional wisdom is that Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump is a populist clown who won’t be able to set the Republican agenda, nor capture the Republican nomination, nor — much less — win the 2016 presidential election. But the conventional wisdom has often been wrong.

Trump’s rise from a real estate mogul and reality show performer to the No. 1 Republican hopeful in the latest polls — he’s leading with 24 percent of vote, followed by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker with 13 percent, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush with 12 percent, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll — reminds me of the rise of the late Venezuelan populist leader Hugo Chávez.

Like Trump, Venezuela’s anti-American demagogue was not taken seriously by many when he started his campaign in the late 1990s.

Granted, Trump and Chávez come from opposite sides of the political spectrum. Trump is the epitome of capitalism, a billionaire who says “I’m rich,” claims to be worth $10 billion — although independent reports put his wealth at much less — and openly calls for a more capitalist world. Chávez was an army officer who called for socialism.

But Trump has a lot in common with Chávez, displaying the three characteristics of populism.

First, populists need to create an enemy, so that they can become leaders of a national cause. And if the enemy is foreign, so much the better.

Trump has chosen Mexicans as the enemy, claiming that the United States is being invaded by a flood of undocumented Mexicans, which Mexico is allegedly exporting on purpose. Mexico is “sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime,” Trump said.

Never mind that such claims are wrong. In fact, not only are the vast majority of Mexican immigrants good, hard-working people, but illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen to record lows: from about 400,000 per year about a decade ago to 125,000 nowadays, according to the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.

But Mexico-bashing has become a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign. Nationalist populism seems to be working for him.

Second, populists constantly play the victimization game, claiming that they are about to be killed by the enemy at any time.

As ridiculous as it sounds, Trump said Thursday during a visit to Laredo, Texas, that he was putting himself in “great danger” by traveling to that border city. But “I have to do it, I love this country” he added, with a touch of drama. Before his visit, he had told Fox News, “I may never see you again.”

Never mind that Laredo is one of the safest cities in Texas, nor that Laredo’s murder, robbery and assault rates are lower than those of Trump’s hometown of New York City, according to statistics collected from police departments by the FBI and cited July 23 by The Washington Post’s The Fix column.

Third, most populists are ego-maniacs. We used to describe Chávez in this column as a “narcissist-Leninist” president, because his favorite word was “I.” In a speech on Jan. 15, 2011, Chávez used the word “I” 489 times.

Trump doesn’t make five-hour speeches, like Chávez, but he managed to utter the word “I” 220 times during his 42-minute announcement speech on June 16.

There is another thing that Trump has in common with Chávez: Both used the same campaign strategy of making outrageous statements on a daily basis to capture the headlines and place themselves at the center of the political stage.

Since he announced his run for the Republican nomination, Trump has made one headline after another, whether it was his first incendiary comments about Mexicans, or his claim that decorated Republican Sen. John McCain “is not a war hero,” or his giving out rival Republican hopeful Sen. Lindsay Graham’s cellphone number during a campaign rally.

After each of his tirades, Trump blasts the media for allegedly distorting his comments, which again generates a new round of headlines. That’s exactly how Chávez — without money or a political machine — won his first election in 1998.

My opinion: In an ideal world, the media should ignore Trump, or put him in the entertainment section, as The Huffington Post has decided to do. But Trump is news, whether we like it or not, if anything else because he has already climbed to the No. 1 spot among Republican hopefuls.

He may not win the Republican nomination, but he is likely to set the Republican agenda, or — as Ross Perot did before — run as an independent and siphon away Republican votes in 2016. It’s time to take Trump seriously for what he is: a nationalist populist demagogue. Just like Chávez was.

After each of his tirades, Trump blasts the media for allegedly distorting his comments, which again generates a new round of headlines. That’s exactly how Chávez — without money nor a political machine — won his first election in 1998.

My opinion: In an ideal world, the media should ignore Trump, or put him in the entertainment section, as The Huffington Post has decided to do. But Trump is news, whether we like it or not, if anything else because he has already climbed to the No. 1 spot among Republican hopefuls.

He may not win the Republican nomination, but he is likely to set the Republican agenda, or — as Ross Perot did before — run as an independent and siphon away Republican votes in 2016. It’s time to take Trump seriously for what he is: a nationalist populist demagogue. Just like Chávez was.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article28665166.html#storylink=cpy
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Re: Guess who Trump is compared to.
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 11:35:26 PM »
      That is all good , but he is still not my favorite.

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2015, 12:22:30 PM »
You may have more intelligence than this that do.
A President Trump would be a disaster. He picks fights (like claiming that he "likes war heroes who were not captured" where no reason to pick a fight exists.
His own party already hates his guts, and no, it is not because he stands up to Washington, but because he hold up a funhouse mirror to them and they do not like what they see.

He is God's gift to the Democrats.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 01:18:46 PM »
While Hillary's is to the GOP
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 03:30:42 PM »
Trump is a much, much larger gift, as we shall see.

I am stocking up on popcorn for those debates with Trump.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 03:37:09 PM »
Naaa.....Hillary's just as big a circus.  She even comes with clowns
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2015, 03:44:58 PM »
Trump's follower are the clowns, and it is really eating at Ted Cruz, who wants the Tea Party Clowns all to himself.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2015, 04:33:30 PM »
Trump hardly has the tea party constituency
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2015, 04:35:39 PM »
That is precisely who his negative campaign is aimed at.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2015, 04:42:43 PM »
Not even close.  Remember, I'm one of those so-called tea party clowns.  I do believe Plane is as well.  It's not resonating with tea party folk
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2015, 11:11:41 AM »
CU4 is ecstatic with joy over Trump.

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Re: Guess who Trump is compared to.
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2015, 12:08:18 PM »
CU4 is ecstatic with joy over Trump.

I do really enjoy watching Trump upset the apple-cart of the Washington Cartel.
It's hilarious watching them in disbelief as their typical tactics of destruction don't work.
First they thought the typical racism charge would stick...
Next they thought the "poor old John McCain" stuff would stick.
The Repub establishment even floated the idea of not allowing him in the debate.
Some have even tried ignoring the guy....but that doesn't work either!
It will be something else soon.
I think I heard today they dug up some decades old rape charge of his wife that was in his divorce.
LOL....they (Dems/Repub corruptness) want blood and they want it as soon as possible.
They (The Washington Cartel...Dems/Repubs/Media) are determined to silence this guy.
The more they attack the more his poll numbers go up! Ha Ha.

Who knows if Trump will make it another 3 months? 6 months? a year?
I kind of doubt Trump will be the nominee...but he has woke some people up.
For now it's great fun watching the Washington Cartel even sweat just a bit.

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2015, 12:49:16 PM »
CU4 is ecstatic with joy over Trump.

I do really enjoy watching Trump upset the apple-cart of the Washington Cartel.
It's hilarious watching them in disbelief as their typical tactics of destruction don't work.

Who knows if Trump will make it another 3 months? 6 months? a year?
I kind of doubt Trump will be the nominee...but he has woke some people up.
For now it's great fun watching the Washington Cartel even sweat just a bit
.

Helps reinforce the point C is making:

Over the last few weeks we’ve seen Republican consultants and pundits publicly fretting about whether Donald Trump will hurt the GOP’s brand.

What a joke!

When do those people start worrying about what Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and the rest of the GOP’s leadership are doing to the Party’s brand? Just this week-end, McConnell shut down efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, fight sanctuary cities, kill Obamacare and stop Iran from getting nukes because they might get in the way of pushing corporate welfare. At this point, Boehner and McConnell might as well just wear the logos of the corporations and wealthy donors that sponsor them because they’ve turned their backs on conservatives and the country to cater to them.

So, don’t worry about Donald Trump. Trump is good for the Republican Party.

For one thing…

1) Trump is knocking the GOP Establishment back on its heels: Yes, Trump did go over the line with his “I like people who weren’t captured” remark about McCain, but when all was said and done, it was the Maverick who got pancaked. Not only did McCain end up getting major blowback for calling Trump supporters “crazies,” he also made an enemy of a billionaire who’ll be willing to pour millions into a campaign to take him out in a primary. To add insult to injury, Trump is now polling better with veterans than McCain. Trump has also smashed Lindsey Graham, slapped Karl Rove and ceaselessly attacked Jeb Bush. If Trump does nothing else other than stop a few dozen super wealthy families from making Jeb Bush our nominee, we should build a larger than life statue of him with his name in gold at the bottom as thanks.

After Reince Priebus at the RNC started to interfere in the presidential primary by attacking Trump and there were rumblings that Trump should be left out of the debates, we started hearing that the Donald might run third party. After that, Reince Priebus suddenly remembered what his job was again and started calling on everyone to be civil.

On top of all that, many people believe that Trump’s surge in the polls is a direct result of how unhappy many conservatives have become with the Republican Party. That should be a wake-up call for the GOP. In fact, if it isn’t, then the next one will probably come after we start bleeding seats on Election Day once we don’t have Obama to kick around anymore.


2) He’s sucking up all the oxygen: It’s true that Donald Trump is dominating the coverage of the 2016 presidential election, but that’s a double-edged sword. Yes, it does mean that candidates like Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee are going to have trouble getting enough coverage to gain steam.

However, there’s a huge plus to the “all Trump, all the time” coverage that most people have missed. In the 2008 and 2012 elections, the mainstream media and the establishment picked the candidates they liked best (McCain and Mitt) and then they systematically destroyed anybody else who started to get any traction.

This time around, Trump is acting like a missile defense shield for the rest of the field. Reagan’s work on a missile defense shield helped break the Soviets and Trump’s shield may help us break the liberal media/squishy Republican stranglehold on picking our nominee.


3) He’s forcing the other candidates to up their game: If candidates use nothing but “safe” boilerplate jargon to ensure that they don’t offend anyone and act as if we have a thousand years to fix the problems we have in this country, that’s fine, but no one’s ever going to hear their name with Donald Trump in the race.

Because of that, the GOP candidates have been forced to do more to get their names out there.

Ted Cruz called out Mitch McConnell for lying to Republicans on the Senate floor. Rand Paul took a chainsaw to the tax code. Bobby Jindal is threatening to arrest the Westboro Baptist Church wackos if they protest the funerals of mass shooting victims. Mike Huckabee pointed out that Obama’s Iran deal very well may lead to a genocide like the Holocaust.

These are all GOOD THINGS.

We need candidates who can communicate, who show some fire and who have a sense of urgency about addressing the problems that are confronting America. Trump is helping to bring that out in the rest of the field.


4) He’s getting the candidates talking about issues that matter to people: The failed Republican leadership in Congress has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about anything other than slavishly serving the interests of a few thousand ultra-wealthy donors and corporations.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump is talking about securing the border, looking out for veterans, fixing the lousy trade deals we make in this country, getting our hostages out of Iran and stopping the massive crime wave that has been created by taking in so many illegal immigrants. These are issues that come up again and again when real people are talking as opposed to issues the GOP leaders talk about with the lobbyists that pay them off.

Suddenly, even people who hate Trump’s guts are talking about sanctuary cities because he turned it into an issue. Quite frankly, neither party is looking out for the best interests of the American people on illegal immigration; so it’s refreshing to see the GOP field being forced to address it.  It shouldn’t have taken Trump to get a real conversation going.


5) He's teaching Republicans they don't have to surrender: No politician should want to needlessly offend people, but on the other hand, it’s impossible to accomplish anything without making some people angry. Unfortunately, most Republicans don’t seem to understand this and have allowed cowering to become their standard operating procedure. In fact, the GOP has become such a group of timid, knock-kneed, namby-pamby pushovers and wimps that Republicans don’t do much of anything other than just sit of their behinds and beg the Democrats not to beat them too badly.

Trump is showing Republicans that it’s possible to do something different. Yes, you don’t have to apologize just because the mainstream media demands that you do so. Yes, you can hit back even harder when you’re attacked. Yes, you can stick it to the press when it treats you unfairly.

In all fairness, other Republicans like Newt Gingrich, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Mike Lee have done this as well, but Trump has made it the centerpiece of his campaign and it has taken him all the way to first place when NO ONE expected him to rise that high. The Republican Party is called the “Stupid Party” for good reason (Watch Mitch McConnell and John Boehner and you’ll see why), but even Republican politicians can learn a lot from the way Donald Trump has brawled his way to the top of the heap. Even if it doesn’t last, no one will forget that Republicans voters love a fighter.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2015, 01:42:57 PM »
Making people angry deliberately is what Trump does.
As I said, debates featuring Trump are bound to be amusing.
He is forcing other candidates to say idiotic things, as Huckabee recently did talking about Israelis being sent to "the ovens". The Iranians are not going to nuke the Israelis, because they would be nuking Palestinians as well.

Marco Rubio seems to have taken a huge fall recently.

I have a feeling that calling McConnell a liar in public will not bode well for Cruz. He is already resembling a monkey beating off for the zoo attendees.


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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2015, 01:49:09 PM »
That's just your biased opinion.  The only thing he's doing deliberately is to wake people up the PC status quo.  THAT's what makes some folks angry. 
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