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Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« on: May 09, 2011, 05:45:47 PM »
Israel's next challenge: Obama's outreach to Muslim Brotherhood

DEBKAfile  Exclusive Report 

May 9, 2011, 8:49 AM (GMT+02:00)


The next meeting may mark parting of the ways

Israelis celebrate the 63rd anniversary of their independence this week in good cheer. Neither by word nor hint have its leaders referred to the challenge facing the country in the year to come:  Barack Obama has picked the Muslim Brotherhood movement of the Middle East as his chosen partner for promoting American interests in the Arab world in place of its ousted rulers. His courtship of this organization, which he regards as moderate, was the rationale, say debkafile's Washington and counter-terror sources, behind his bold decision to get rid of Osama bin Laden, a step which his two predecessors, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, held back from although they knew where he was.

Many people forgot the vow Obama made in Cairo on June 4 to mend America's fences with the Muslim world, but he meant every word.  His White House has made forging a pact between the United States and the Muslim Brotherhood their ultimate policy objective, although they do not expect to achieve it in one fell swoop.

Bin Laden's death was part of the US president's unfolding game plan:
1. He needed to demonstrate unswerving resolve to eradicate the terrorist threat posed by Islamic extremists;

2. The Muslim Brotherhood and its national chapters needed to be held back from falling into the arms of Islamic radicalism if it were to qualify as the centerpiece of America's new beginning with the Arab world.

Another part of the Obama game plan was the "Arab Spring" for paving the way to that beginning by making decades'-old autocratic rulers redundant.

Egypt's Hosni Mubarak had to go first  - and he was therefore the only Arab ruler whom the US president told bluntly to leave, unlike Muammar Qaddafi or even Bashar Assad ? very simply because Egypt is the center of the many-branched Muslim Brotherhood's and its Shura Council.
More than any other Middle East party or organization, the Brotherhood holds powerful levers of influence in Libya, Syria, Jordan, the Palestinian arena and even in Saudi Arabia through its presence in national religious institutions and broad membership. It is therefore suppressed by all those regimes as it was in Egypt.

Mubarak's fellow Arab rulers watched and noted how quickly and ruthlessly Obama disposed of him and mustered all their resources to defeat the US-backed revolts against their regimes before they too were tossed on the rubbish heap.

Saudi King Abdullah fought back with a divorce from Washington. He is bitterly hostile to the Obama administration ? not just over Mubarak's humiliating downfall, but because he believes that a US-Muslim Brotherhood pact would threaten the royal House of Saud by engulfing the clerical institutions which give the throne its legitimacy.

Libya's Qaddafi tried to save himself by pointing to his common cause with the US against a rebellion penetrated by Al Qaeda and other Muslim extremists. When he realized that Washington did not share his view and favored the Muslim elements, he decided to fight back against the rebellion and defy their NATO backers.

Syria's Bashar Assad, who represents a secular regime and creed, has resorted to tanks, artillery and live bullets for a ferocious crackdown to end what he regards as the continuation of the Muslim Brotherhood-led challenge to the Alawite Assad family rule launched first against his father 19 years ago.

Another piece of the Obama game plan was put in place in Cairo Wednesday, May 4, with the inking of the Palestinian unity pact by Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas for Fatah and Khaled Meshaal for Hamas.

After Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu warned Abbas that the Palestinians must choose between peace and Hamas, Abbas is reported by debkafile's Cairo sources as privately asking why the Israelis complained to him. They should complain to Obama, he said. Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian and Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood branches. "I am only acting out his guidelines by helping the Brotherhood's integration in Middle East government."

The US president has taken certain steps to get his plan in motion. It will be far from plain sailing. In Israel and in some Western capitals, the military junta which has succeeded Hosni Mubarak in Cairo is not expected to tamely open the door to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptian generals have meanwhile taken the lead in steering Palestinian moves in the hope of focusing the Muslim Brotherhood's attention on the Palestinian issue rather than its drive for power. This device worked for Gemal Abdul Nasser in the 60s and 70s.
But sooner or later, the Brotherhood and Washington will realize that the military rulers fully intend to hold onto power. Instead of standing aside for a Brotherhood presidential candidate, they will run one of their own. President Obama will then be confronted with a hard decision.

Sensing the supportive winds blowing in from Washington, Muslim activists attacked a Coptic Christian church in Cairo Saturday, May 7, sparking a violent sectarian clash that raged through Sunday night  leaving more than 20 dead and raising fears of a Muslim power grab.
With the White House busy juggling the balls of its primary Middle East policy, there is not much Israel can do. Therefore, Prime Minister Netanyahu's meeting with Obama on May 21and his speech to the joint Houses of Congress during his Washington visit are not expected to yield momentous changes.

There is not much point in his unveiling any new peace proposal as long as the Palestinians are stuck betwixt and between their next moves, or trying to warn Obama against a US-Muslim Brotherhood rapprochement. While a Brotherhood takeover in neighboring Arab countries, however gradual, would pose a direct threat to Israeli security, Obama in the full flush of success of his initial steps will not be receptive to Israel's arguments.
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 05:48:10 PM »
oh the brotherhood. Bros in the hood!
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 06:07:52 PM »
Silly Israeli propaganda.

The only way to get a fair settlement in Palisrael is to read Netanyahu the Riot Act: "Get on board and work out a two state plan, or no more aid, no more loans, no more weapons.".
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 06:12:55 PM »
Silly Israeli propaganda.

The only way to get a fair settlement in Palisrael is to read Netanyahu the Riot Act: "Get on board and work out a two state plan, or no more aid, no more loans, no more weapons.".

too bad Netanyahu is a community organizor.

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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2011, 07:35:28 PM »
This one seems silly.

Was it on Obama's orders that  Mohammed Bouazizi immolated himself?

Outsiders might help or be influential , but the people are the people still, they don't actually require guidence from the outside to become rebellious.




http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-22/world/tunisia.bouazizi.arab.unrest_1_fruit-vendor-sidi-bouzid-abedine-ben-ali?_s=PM:WORLD

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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2011, 09:51:20 PM »
This one seems silly.

Hardly.....watch and see the following playout..

Osama bin Laden's Death as Obama's Lever for Muslim Brotherhood Rule

White House procrastination in ordering the death of Osama bin Laden spans three US presidencies.
In the four years from 1996 until 2000 (one year before the 9/11 attacks on American), the CIA director of the day George Tenet and the heads of the agency's Counterterrorist Center-CTC, produced no less than ten plans for eliminating him.
President Bill Clinton rejected them all. He was completely caught up at the time in a major effort to bring about a final Israeli-Palestinian peace accord. Even in the face of intelligence warnings that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat was into his last preparations for war on Israel, Clinton and his advisers decided to put the al Qaeda operation on hold lest his death inflame Muslims worldwide and put a spoke in the peace process which topped his agenda. The US president calculated that once a peace accord was in the bag and the looming war averted, America's standing in Muslim eyes would be solid enough to withstand the earth tremors raised by taking out bin Laden. But his timing was out. The Palestinian (intifada) war was launched in September 2000 and raged until Arafat's defeat and death in late 2004 four years later. In that time, Bin Laden and his followers imbibed much innovative terrorist tradecraft from the Palestinians which they put to use in the coming decade, such as how to rig car bombs, assemble explosive vests for suicide bombers and hijack airliners, which they later wielded as weapons of mass destruction.

Bush targeted Zarqawi in Iraq, Clinton prioritized Palestinian-Israel peace

His successor George W. Bush declared war on Al Qaeda after the 9/11 terrorist atrocity claimed nearly 3,000 American lives. His handling of bin Laden had three stages.
In the first, trom 2001 until 2004, no reliable intelligence was available on the Al Qaeda leader's whereabouts. In 2004, a year after America's invasion of Iraq, Bush shifted the onus of his counter-al Qaeda strategy to Iraq and focused on targeting Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the organization's head of its operation in that country.
The US president reasoned that the Jordanian Zarqawi was the most brilliant operations commander al Qaeda had ever fielded. Unless he was destroyed, he would be certain to succeed Bin Laden, who appeared to be weakening. The al Qaeda leader was thought to be grooming the Jordanian to succeed him over the head of his Egyptian lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahri.
In June 2006, American forces managed to kill Zarqawi, so ending an exceptionally savage two-year career.
The previous year, the Americans received their first tip about the villa compound where Bin Laden was living in Pakistan.
Still, for the next two years, President Bush decided to press on and finish laying the foundations for an American victory over al Qaeda in Iraq, bringing it to fruition in 2007 by means of the famous US troop surge.
That victory, the Bush White House was convinced, would seriously diminish al Qaeda's top man and reduce him in the coming years to spending all his time moving from one hideout to another on the run from pursuit.
Technically speaking, Bush got it right. But in practical and historical terms, he missed a great opportunity to finish the arch-terrorist for good and make good on his premature "Mission accomplished!" boast.
Like his father, President George Bush Sr., who in 1991, failed to follow through on the Gulf War by taking Baghdad and removing Saddam Hussein, the son George left a toxic loose end hanging and ready to snap back.

Osama bin Laden's death as a lever for US-Muslim reconciliation

When Barack Obama followed the second Bush into the White House in January 2009, his mind was fixed on three overriding ambitions: He determined to show Americans and the world that war was not the only way to solve international conflicts and promote American interests; multilateral diplomacy must take the place of armed conflict. Another was to achieve a historic US-Muslim reconciliation alongside the demise of radical Islamic terror, first and foremost al Qaeda's war on America.
Unlike Clinton and Bush, Obama decided that eliminating Osama bin Laden would serve his goals, provided he could make it the lever for his outreach to the Muslim world. But like Clinton, he made a permanent Israel-Palestinian a cornerstone of his policy.

Two months ago, on March 6, the Washington Post offered a pointer to President Obama's overall vision:
"The roots of the (US) policy shift (in the Middle East) go back to Obama's first days in office and his feeling that America's relationship with the Arab world was broken," the WP reported. "Though Obama seemed to be accommodating the region's authoritarian leaders, in August 2010, he issued Presidential Study Directive 11, asking agencies to prepare for change. This document cited 'evidence of growing citizen discontent with the region's regimes' and warned that 'the region is entering a critical period of transition.'

The president asked his advisers to 'manage these risks by demonstrating to the people of the Middle East and North Africa the gradual but real prospect of greater political openness and improved governance.'" This was an astonishing public admission. It implied that Washington was steering the Arab revolt, or 'Arab spring', through Obama's Presidential Study Directive 11.

Presidential Study Directive 11 gets going

Our Washington sources note that when, early Monday morning, May 2, Obama announced Bin Laden's death, he spoke of the first lead to his whereabouts (in the Abbottabad villa) reaching him last August:
"Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to Bin Laden," he said - although Wednesday, May 4, the Pakistanis said Washington was informed of this intelligence with low intensity as early as the beginning of 2009 and with greater intensity starting from September 2010.
What is important to note here is that August was month that Directive No. 11 was issued and therefore a watershed date for President Obama.

Bin Laden's death like the Arab Spring were not ends in themselves, but steps towards the objective on which the US president has set his sights.

Our Middle East sources report that this objective, word of which has begun circulating around intelligence circles in the region, has been brought to the notice of the Saudi royal family, the military junta in Cairo, the presidential palace in Damascus and the Israeli Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem: President Obama's ultimate goal is to confer on the Muslim Brotherhood the legitimacy to assume power.

After Osama bin Laden's elimination, Obama is raring to go forward to fulfill the vision outlined in his Study Directive 11 and raise the Brotherhood to power-sharing status as a force for Islamic moderation able to counteract Al Qaeda-type radicalism.
Middle East sources find evidence of the US president's impatience in the Palestinian unity pact Mahmoud Abbas for Fatah and Khaled Meshaal for Hamas signed in Cairo on May 4 for ending their four-year Palestinian feud. This pact consummated a key component of the Obama master plan.

Separating the extremists from the moderates

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu condemned the pact as "a mortal blow to peace and a victory for terror." In private conversation in Cairo, our sources quote Abbas asking his Egyptian hosts rhetorically: Why are the Israelis complaining to me, they should complain to Obama. Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian and Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood branches. "I am only acting out his guidelines by helping the Brotherhood's integration in Middle East governance."
In Syria, President Bashar Assad is not just fighting a popular uprising against his repressive regime; he is desperate to crush the Muslim Brotherhood which would rise in the wake of the opposition's victory and wreak its revenge for the slaughter his father President Hafez Assad inflicted on its members in Hama 39 years ago.

While Presidents Bush and Clinton declined to incorporate the al Qaeda leader's demise in their active policies, for Obama it was of pivotal importance. He was also keen to show American soldiers performing the deed.

Obama was sending out a signal that Muslim pragmatists and extremists would be treated very differently by his administration: While the former would be encouraged, any radical circles in the Muslim Brotherhood trying to move into the positions of power his policy had carved out for their movement would receive short shrift witness, Osama bin Laden's fate.
More than one Middle East ruler is disquieted by what is seen by some as a dangerous bee in the American president's bonnet, fearing he may not realize that by putting his hand in the Muslim world, he is playing with fire.

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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 04:59:49 PM »
I hardly think that Assad is any sort of hero, and I see no evidence that the President is doing anything one way or another to help or deter him, other than to condemn killing demonstrators.

Israel seems to like Assad, because he has refrained from giving them a hard time over their annexation of Golan.

At least some of the opposition to Assad favors democracy in Syria.
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 06:28:20 PM »
I hardly think that Assad is any sort of hero

i guess as always ....it depends
Assad is an a-hole
but there can always be worse a-holes

Israel seems to like Assad, because he has refrained from giving them a hard time over their annexation of Golan.

yes and no
Assad has helped Hezbollah enormously and was up to no good with nuke plants.
But you are correct Israel may see that there could be worse than Assad next door.

At least some of the opposition to Assad favors democracy in Syria.

But that's almost always the case
they cheered in Tehran until they saw what they got
they cheered in Cairo....now they have Generals in charge.
of course some of the opposition favors democracy
that's not the hard part
the hard part is preventing new & maybe worse undemocratic thugs from taking over
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 08:31:20 PM »
Who runs Syria is not a matter for the Americans or the Israelis. It is a matter for the Syrians.

No one elected the Shah, please note: they elected Mossadegh, and the CIA deposed him and imposed the Shah.

Had this not happened, Iran would have been more like Turkey is today.

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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 09:17:51 PM »
Who runs Syria is not a matter for the Americans or the Israelis. It is a matter for the Syrians.

It would be nice if the world worked the way naive liberals think.
So yeah leave the US out of decisions and only let our enemies influence who comes to power in places.

No one elected the Shah

No one elected most leaders in the world

Had this not happened, Iran would have been more like Turkey is today.

Yeah it's always Amerca's fault!
If in doubt blame America!
If America didnt exist what would you and the rest of the anti-Americans use as a crutch for all failures?
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 10:29:08 PM »
THAT was clearly America's fault!

And again, Syria should be run by Syrians.
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2011, 12:31:09 PM »
And again, Syria should be run by Syrians.

Hypothetical...
would you support Iran and other outsiders
spending billions to influence Canada and Mexico
elections which resulted in Al-Qaeda being elected
to run those countries and think the US should not
get involved and let Canadians and Mexicans "run
their own" countries?... albeit heavily influenced only
by American enemies?

Before you waffle...it doesn't matter that this is
unlikely...it's a hypothetical to better understand
your position of allowing countries to fully "run their
own countries" and how the US can stand by and
allow only our enemies to partake in influencing
who comes to power around the world.
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2011, 12:48:01 PM »
This has to be the dumbist hypothetical you have come up with.

Syrians should decide who runs Syria.

Period.
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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2011, 12:50:42 PM »
And again, Syria should be run by Syrians.

Hypothetical...
would you support Iran and other outsiders
spending billions to influence Canada and Mexico
elections which resulted in Al-Qaeda being elected
to run those countries and think the US should not
get involved and let Canadians and Mexicans "run
their own" countries?... albeit heavily influenced only
by American enemies?

Before you waffle...it doesn't matter that this is
unlikely...it's a hypothetical to better understand
your position of allowing countries to fully "run their
own countries" and how the US can stand by and
allow only our enemies to partake in influencing
who comes to power around the world.

So what would be the difference in Iran influencing our neighbors elections and the US influencing theirs?

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Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 12:59:49 PM »
This has to be the dumbist hypothetical you have come up with.

I knew you waffle and not answer
because it would expose your flawed logic.
Thanks for proving my point.
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