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sirs

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News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« on: November 24, 2011, 02:23:33 PM »
Hey, occupiers: Wealth isn't a civil right
Posted: November 23, 2011

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Everything demanded by the Occupy Wall Streeters – whether "free" health care, a "world-class education" or a "guaranteed living-wage income regardless of employment" status – costs money.

When a CEO makes a lot of money in the private sector, it is because his company – rightly or wrongly – values that CEO's services at that price. To say it is "not right" that a CEO makes (fill in the blank) times more than the janitor is to say it is not right for the marketplace to set wages. If the marketplace ought not set wages, then who or what should?

Most people work for the private sector, which cannot exist without profit.

Is the OWS objection to bank bailouts on the grounds that government should not protect businesses from the consequences of their actions?
Or is the objection that bailouts should be for everybody?

We already have a huge welfare state, with entitlements – Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid – the biggest expenditure of the federal budget. Europe's welfare state is larger, with a slightly smaller "gap" between the rich and the poor. Yet its citizens also take to the street to denounce inequality. Puzzling, isn't it?

No one can legally ask about the immigration status of a public-school student, so Americans and non-Americans, including illegal aliens, receive a K-12 public education at taxpayers' expense.

Per-pupil spending for public education increased 49 percent from 1985 to 2005. Community colleges are cheap, and many states guarantee a junior college graduate admission to a public four-year college.

The physical advantage that men possess over women is an increasingly small advantage – given the decline of labor-intensive jobs and the technology that makes it easier for machines to do hard, dangerous, repetitive work.

There are more tenants than landlords, which thus exemplifies the stupidity of "rent-control" laws. Rent-control laws disproportionately benefit the non-poor because the elite pull strings, work the system and are better connected than the non-poor. All of this matters when items of scarcity (in this case, apartments) are dispensed by government dictates rather than through prices.

Government possesses no money of its own. It raises money by taxing, by borrowing or by printing.

The bigger the government, the smaller the private sector.


Individuals can spend their money more wisely, efficiently and more humanely than can government.

People value and spend their money more wisely when they acquire it by their own efforts – also known as work. There are real-world, direct consequences on you for squandering your own money, as opposed to when government squanders the money of its people.

Government employees enjoy job security unknown in the private sector and are often paid more than their private-sector counterparts. Greed?

People spend their money more humanely because they won't waste as much of it. Consider that to deal with "the poor," the federal government has a vast array of agencies, programs and policies. But only about 30 cents of each dollar designated for the poor actually gets in the hands of the recipient. Contrast this with the United Way, Salvation Army and other private charities where 90 cents of each dollar donated gets to a beneficiary.

Americans agree that some people – whether faultless or irresponsible – need assistance, if only occasionally. The only issue is how they will be helped.

Americans are the most generous people of any industrial nation. We give more of our time and money than do the Germans, British and Japanese. Note that those states have a bigger public sector than we do. Maybe they feel they gave at the office.

The U.S. Constitution isn't just any ordinary document. It is the contract between the government and its people, the ones who empower government and who – once upon a time – expected the Constitution to restrain government, not empower it.

Government's involvement in housing caused the meltdown – not greedy Wall Street bankers. The same Occupy mindset caused the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, placed on human growth hormones by President Clinton, who pushed banks into lending to poor credit risks and allowed Wall Street to play with taxpayers' money.

There is no bad guy. It's not the Koch brothers, Grover Norquist or the Maltese Falcon. There is no evil entity, snorting steam from his nose, standing in an office full of Nazi memorabilia, staring out the window with the cityscape view, laughing: "Ha! Ha! Ha! Pretty soon, all this will be mine. Mine, I say!"
 
Life has never been so good, with so many choices, with so many more conveniences, so much less danger of dying from disease, with so many choices for entertainment and affordable travel.

When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul. But at some point Peter begins to feel taken advantage of.


"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2011, 02:46:04 PM »
When 1% of the population controls 40% of the wealth, Peter knows it's time to kick Paul in the butt.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 02:50:05 PM »
When 1% of the population is PAYING for the services that the other 99% use, and is being TAXED HIGHER already, Peter best be thanking Paul
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 03:23:16 PM »
There is no 1% and there is no 99%. We are ALL  Americans. If The Federal Govt needs a bailout based on bad decisions they have made and the people agree to that bailout then taxes should be raised on everyone.

Period.

End of story.

Do not buy into divisive rhetoric. Do not defend one group over the other. That is a distraction.


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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 03:28:24 PM »
I concur about the divisiveness.  It's what's currently fueling Obama's pre-campaign attack rhetoric, and the whole basis to the apparently hugely jealous OWS twits.

Now, one could argue my above comments are divisive as well, however criticism is what it is.  And if we're not allowed to criticize, then we're no longer Americans living in America
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 03:38:23 PM »
Criticize all you want.

But if the debt and deficit are that big a problem then the way to solve it is to cut spending and raise revenue. And cuts and revenue raising should affect everyone, because we are all in this together.

unless we aren't ......in which case the shit will surely hit the fan.




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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 04:12:52 PM »
Being is that we won't get any tax increases, oops "revenue raising" on "everyone" (the poor will be portrayed as how they can't possibly handle any increase in taxes), and it will continued to be lamented by the left, and parroted by the MSM, in that the only ones who can afford any tax increases, oops, sorry, "revenue raising" are "the rich"

And IIRC, a recent report I read had that if Obama had gotten his tax increases, oops, "revenue raising" passed on the top 1%, the difference in the debt would have been noting more than a rounding down %.  In other words, not even a remote change in our debt

Once again, its not a revenue problem, its a SPENDING problem.  But the more the left keeps the debate on taxes, who should vs who shouldn't pay, the real problem goes unchecked.  And if folks also noted the rhetoric coming out of DC dems is strikingly similar to that of the Palestinians, when it comes to Israel.  Israel is to acquiesce to giving up more land, for a "promise of peace".  They gave up land, and got more war.  Here we have the Dems claiming that the GOP acquiesce to higher taxes , oops, my bad, increased revenues, for a "Promise to cut spending".  and the last 2 GOP Presidents who agreed to higher taxes, they got MORE spending out of congress.

The left's track record on their promises, as it relates to cutting spending, is ridiculously lacking.  No need for the GOP to get hit over the head again.  Let's see the spending cuts 1st, THEN we can entertain the notion of tax increases
« Last Edit: November 24, 2011, 04:28:54 PM by sirs »
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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2011, 04:32:46 PM »
I just don't understand this defeatist attitude. Why play their game.

Fuck the poor.

If taxes are raised they get raised on everyone. Immediately. No bullshit over 10 years increase. Same with spending cuts. Immediate cuts.

That is the deal on the table. And let Obama run on that record.

If the Bush tax cuts were the largest in history, let Obama get the credit for the largest tax increase in history. And then let the people decide if they want 4 more years of the SCoaMF.


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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2011, 04:40:28 PM »
Nothing defeatist, in acknowledging that no politician, especially on the Democrat side of the isle is going to raise taxes on "everyone".  Just won't happen.  And if its just about letting Bush's tax cuts expire, so be it, but watch the left push to extend those cuts for "the poor", and we're right back where we started 

And not to belabor the point either, but this is NOT a revenue problem

Let's see the spending cuts 1st, THEN we can consider raising taxes on everyone, which of course won't happen, but we can promise to do it
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2011, 04:45:33 PM »
lol

I`m showing my age now. this article reminds me of older folks who complained people lived better in the fifties. claiming they were better. never mentioning those same people today have failed businesses.


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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2011, 04:49:37 PM »
If the dems want to take the credit for the failure of this country it is on them. Let the Bush Tax cuts expire for everyone if revenues are what is needed and cut spending by whatever percentage is needed to bring spending to 18% of GDP.

That's what Obama wants. Let he and his Senate majority have ownership and the consequences of the results.

I just find it ridiculous to call for raising taxes on the 1% if you aren't part of that 1% and just as ridiculous to defend the 1% if you aren't a 1%er. If taxes need to be raised raise them on everyone, just like everyone got a cut when Bush gave them.



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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 05:27:25 PM »
I agree with the ridiculousness of raising taxes on the 1% by the 99%, when it will barely nudge the deficit.  I also agree that if the Dems are decrying the need for raising taxes, then let them advocate the need for the Bush tax cuts to expire (then watch as they quickly push legislation to exempt "the poor" from those cuts)

What I disagree with is the notion that Obama is saddled with the repercussions, since again, all this energy is being raised on taxes, when that's not the problem.  So, allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will not only not help anything, but Republicans will be hoisted on MSM sticks as to "see, the GOP not only helped raise your taxes, but they're continuing to obstruct Obama's efforts to fix the economy"

So, I'd rather put my energy that is far more necessary to the salvation of this economy, and has precisious little to do with "increasing revenues", as that's merely the politically expedient out.  Let's see the spending cuts 1st, THEN we can entertain the notion of raising taxes on everyone.........that would never happen of course, but we can promise to do so
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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2011, 05:53:00 PM »
The dems say they will not fix the economy without letting the tax cuts expire. Take them literally.

The deal on the table is that if the Bush Cuts must expire the expire for everyone. Then let the cutting begin.

That is the hand you bet on. That the dems will not let them expire unless they only target the rich and the house won't let them expire unless the expire completely for everyone.

And who cares what Norquist thinks about that.


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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2011, 05:59:53 PM »
.......and if legislation is presented at the last minute, to extend them to "the poor", and the GOP says "no"??

Naaaa, let's see the spending cuts 1st, then we'll entertain "revenue increases".  I'm of the mindset ot fix the problem, not keep punting it to the next generation.  Revenue is not the problem
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Re: News Flash....Wealth isn't a Civil Right
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2011, 06:59:27 PM »
The bill which the house would generate would expire the tax cuts for everyone. If the Senate under the dems says only the rich or Obama threatens a veto if it is not for the rich only then the dems are the obstructionists and the dems have nothing zero zip to run on in 2012. They certainly can't run on Obama's record.