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Supreme Court to Take Up Gay Marriage
« on: December 07, 2012, 09:27:50 PM »
Supreme Court to Take Up Gay Marriage
By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: December 7, 2012

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court announced on Friday that it would enter the national debate over same-sex marriage, agreeing to hear a pair of cases challenging state and federal laws that define marriage to include only unions of a man and a woman

One of the cases, from California, could establish or reject a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. Another case, from New York, challenges a federal law that requires the federal government to deny benefits to gay and lesbian couples married in states that allow such unions.

The court’s move comes against the backdrop of a rapid shift in public attitudes about same-sex marriage, with recent polls indicating that a majority of Americans support allowing such unions. After last month’s elections, the number of states authorizing same-sex marriage increased by half, to nine.

The court’s docket is now crowded with cases about the meaning of equality, with the new cases joining ones on affirmative action in higher education and the future of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Decisions in all of those cases are expected by June.

The new California case, Hollingsworth v. Perry, No. 12-144, was filed in 2009 by Theodore B. Olson and David Boies, two lawyers who were on opposite sides in the Supreme Court’s decision in Bush v. Gore, which settled the 2000 presidential election. The suit argued that California’s voters had violated the federal Constitution the previous year when they overrode a decision of the state’s Supreme Court allowing same-sex marriages.

A federal judge in San Francisco agreed, issuing a broad decision that said the Constitution required the state to allow same-sex couples to marry. The decision has been stayed.

A divided three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, also in San Francisco, affirmed the decision. But the majority relied on narrower grounds that seemed calculated to avoid Supreme Court review or, at least, attract the vote of the presumed swing member of that court, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy.

Judge Stephen R. Reinhardt, writing for the majority, relied heavily on a 1996 majority opinion from Justice Kennedy in Romer v. Evans, which struck down a Colorado constitutional amendment that had banned the passage of laws protecting gay men and lesbians. The voter initiative in California, known as Proposition 8, had done something similar, Judge Reinhardt wrote.

That reasoning, he added, meant that the ruling was confined to California.

“We do not doubt the importance of the more general questions presented to us concerning the rights of same-sex couples to marry, nor do we doubt that these questions will likely be resolved in other states, and for the nation as a whole, by other courts,” he wrote.

“For now,” he said, “it suffices to conclude that the people of California may not, consistent with the federal Constitution, add to their state Constitution a provision that has no more practical effect than to strip gays and lesbians of their right to use the official designation that the state and society give to committed relationships, thereby adversely affecting the status and dignity of the members of a disfavored class.”

The Supreme Court has several options in reviewing the decision. It could reverse it, leaving California’s ban on same-sex marriage in place unless voters there choose to revisit the question. It could affirm on the narrower theory, which would allow same-sex marriage in California but not require it elsewhere. Or it could address the broader question of whether the Constitution requires states to allow such marriages.

The second case the court agreed to hear, United States v. Windsor, No. 12-307, challenges a part of the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996. Section 3 of the law defines marriage as between only a man and a woman for purposes of more than 1,000 federal laws and programs. (Another part of the law, not before the court, says that states need not recognize same-sex marriages from other states.)

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Re: Supreme Court to Take Up Gay Marriage
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 10:44:02 PM »
The rapid shift is not in the public.

Where referendum has held against Gay Marrage , it still does .

The shift is in how the question is being presented.

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 10:47:52 AM »
Public opinion should not govern same sex marriage anymore than it should govern interracial marriage. It harms no one,and is clearly a civil right.
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Re: Supreme Court to Take Up Gay Marriage
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2012, 12:24:50 PM »
Public opinion should not govern same sex marriage anymore than it should govern interracial marriage. It harms no one,and is clearly a civil right.

That is not the issue. The issue is whether SSM is a right guaranteed by the constitution.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 03:29:52 PM »
There is no reason why it should NOT be a right guaranteed by the Constitution.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2012, 03:55:45 PM »
There is no reason why it should NOT be a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

Apparently there is. Else why would SCOTUS hear the cases?

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 06:33:14 PM »
...and if they vote it down, will the Xo's of the world rally behind the same mantra........that the right has rallied behind regarding RvW?
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 08:16:18 PM »
The homos have no "right" to suddenly redefine words to fit their agenda and redefine words/meanings for the rest of the vast majority of people in society. It violates my rights to redefine words that make no sense to satisfy a small interest group's agenda. Marriage is and has always been the union of a man and woman for thousands of years, across all societies, and cultures. It has produced mankind therefore it has a very special exalted position unlike anything else. Only the union of a man and woman has produced all humans throughout human history. Therefore it deserves it's own distinction/title/category...because it symbolizes what has created all human beings that have ever lived on earth. If homos want some kind of legality and call it a civil union fine, but it certainly is not a marriage. Most elections on this issue have shown that the American People do not want marriage re-defined to fit some trendy political agenda.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 08:40:32 PM »
Good point.
The Supreme court absolutely pays attention to elections , but do they pay attention to referendums?

Gay marrage is an idea old enough to be called a fad.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2012, 09:24:35 PM »
There is a case because some homophobic rednecks decided to pass a law banning it.

It harms no one to allow gays to marry.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2012, 10:16:36 PM »
There is a case because some homophobic rednecks decided to pass a law banning it.

It harms no one to allow gays to marry.

Oh?

What is the state trying to encorage in sanctioning marrage of the normal sort?

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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2012, 01:29:27 AM »
I fail to make any sense of your question.

People who wish to marry should have the right to do so. All the state govt. needs to do is simply record the fact. This is not an issue of "sanctioning" or encouraging anyone to do anything.
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Re: Supreme Court to Take Up Gay Marriage
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2012, 04:35:58 AM »
>What is the state trying to encorage in sanctioning marrage of the normal sort?<

What would the state discourage by sanctioning both marriage of a normal sort and marriage of a gay sort?

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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2012, 03:08:15 PM »
Two non answers so far.

What is the state encourageing by its sanctioning of real marrage?

You know, the one man one woman sort?

Could be that no liberal is clear on the concept?

Sure I will answer your questions , but I asked first and I note that neither of you feel obliged to provide a real answer.

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2012, 03:10:02 PM »
I know the feeling, Plane
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