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By Digby on December 28, 2007 - 10:40am.

As we turn the page to year 2008 and begin to focus on the elections in earnest, it's probably a good idea to ponder what we've learned of the conservative movement's electoral tactics over the past few cycles. Here's a story on the latest voting rights case to come before the Supreme Court(h/t D-Day):

    The Supreme Court will open the new year with its most politically divisive case since Bush v. Gore decided the 2000 presidential election, and its decision could force a major reinterpretation of the rules of the 2008 contest.

    The case presents what seems to be a straightforward and even unremarkable question: Does a state requirement that voters show a specific kind of photo identification before casting a ballot violate the Constitution?

    The answer so far has depended greatly on whether you are a Democratic or Republican politician -- or even, some believe, judge.

    "It is exceedingly difficult to maneuver in today's America without a photo ID (try flying, or even entering a tall building such as the courthouse in which we sit, without one)," Circuit Judge Richard A. Posner, a Ronald Reagan appointee, wrote in deciding that Indiana's strictest-in-the-nation law is not burdensome enough to violate constitutional protections.

    His colleague on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, Bill Clinton appointee Terence T. Evans, was equally frank in dissent. "Let's not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic," Evans wrote.

    For justices still hearing from the public about their role in the 2000 election -- "It's water over the deck; get over it," Justice Antonin Scalia impatiently told a questioner at a college forum this year -- the partisan implications of the issue are hard to miss.

    The case has pitted Democrats against Republicans, conservative legal foundations against liberal ones, civil rights organizations against the Bush administration.

It sounds like the typical partisan judicial jockeying (which, since Bush vs Gore, is sadly no longer shocking) but it's part of something much more significant. Conservative vote suppression efforts go back a long way, but this 2004 study (pdf) on GOP Ballot Security programs from The Center for Voting Rights reports that since the 1980's it's become fully professionalized:

    The Republicans? perceived problems arising from too heavy a reliance on volunteers began to be addressed with a different strategy in the mid-1980s. From Operation Eagle Eye onward, the major Republican ballot security programs had borne the imprimatur of the party high command, overseen by the RNC and implemented at the grassroots by local organizations and commercial political operatives. In the mid-1980s, the situation began to change. GOP ballot-security skulduggery in the city of Newark and environs had led to a consent decree in 1982 presided over by a federal judge in New Jersey, according to which the RNC promised to forego minority vote suppression. In 1985, several months before the RNC was hauled back before the same judge as a result of illegal purging efforts in a 1986 Louisiana senatorial campaign and agreed to submit all future ballot security programs it oversaw to the court for its inspection, a new organization was created?the Republican National Lawyers Association (RNLA).

    A group of lawyers who had worked on the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1984 were behind its founding, and it was designed ?to be a sort of Rotary Club for GOP stalwarts,? according to a contemporary article in Legal Times magazine. The RNC helped the association get off the ground with a $5,000 loan, although today the RNC claims no official connection with it. By 1987 the RNLA had active chapters in several states and the District of Columbia, and planned to hold its first annual convention early the following year. A lure for attendees, the planners hoped, would be continuing legal education credits and a possible appearance by Attorney General Edwin Meese III and President Reagan.20

    The RNLA turned out to be much more than a Rotary Club for GOP lawyers, however; it became the predominant Republican organization coordinating ballot security. By its own account, in early 2004 it had grown to ?a 1,900-member organization of lawyers and law students in all 50 states.? Its officers were experienced lawyers who knew their way around Washington as a result of having served in Republican administrations at the national and state levels and in major K Street firms. Michael Thielen, its current executive director, who earlier worked for the RNC, describes the organization as follows: Since 1985 the RNLA has nurtured and advanced lawyer involvement in public affairs generally and the Republican Party in particular. It is accurately described as a combination of a professional bar association, politically involved law firm and educational institute. . . . With members now in government, party general counsel positions, law firm management and on law school faculties, the RNLA has for many years been the principal national organization through which lawyers serve the Republican Party and its candidates.

If there was any evidence of massive voter fraud, perhaps such a thing could be arguably necessary. But there isn't. In fact, after all the efforts of the Ashcroft and Gonzales Justice Departments --- even the firing of US Attorneys for failing to bring voter fraud cases against Democratic politicians --- they simply couldn't make a case that there is any kind of systemic fraud requiring that the state disenfranchise large numbers of people who might not have photo ID or other documentation. It just isn't happening. The conservatives have institutionalized electoral cheating.

But then we know that. The evidence has been clear for many years that the Republicans believe it is perfectly legitimate to win elections by manipulating the vote. This next election promises to bring more dicey voting requirements and suppression efforts than ever before.

For instance, Blue Tide Rising caught this little item:

    Earlier today Kris Kobach, chairman of the Kansas GOP, sent out a self-congratulatory litany of accomplishments. Among them was one particularly eye-catching item:

        To date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!

"Caging" is a bogus tactic designed to keep legitimate voters from being able to vote by removing them from the voter rolls if they fail to answer registered mail. Now they are even legalizing it in the name of preventing non-existent voter fraud:

    In Ohio, which swung the 2004 election to Bush, new Democratic Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said in a phone interview that an election law passed last year and signed by former Republican Gov. Bob Taft effectively ``institutionalized'' vote caging.

    The law requires that the state's 88 county election boards send non-forwardable, pre-election notices to all 7.8 million registered Ohio voters at least 60 days before the election. Undelivered letters are public record, she said, meaning that effectively, ``now the counties are paying for'' the data needed to compile challenge lists.

    In addition, Brunner said, the law toughened voter ID requirements and ``took away rights of some voters to be heard about whether or not their registration was valid.''

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    A federal court injunction has barred the Republican National Committee for 25 years from engaging in racially targeted vote caging, but it doesn't extend to state parties.

    Asked whether they might employ vote caging in 2008, Executive Director Jason Mauk of the Ohio Republican Party and spokeswoman Erin VanSickle of the Florida Republican Party said they couldn't discuss election strategy.

"Election strategy."

It brings the different partisan views toward democracy in stark relief. Certainly, Democrats have likely cheated in elections in the past, but the Republicans have turned it into a fetish. This shouldn't be surprising, when you think about it. While their voter suppression efforts do help them electorally, by holding down the vote of traditional democratic constituencies, on a broader scale it reflects a philosophical antipathy for the modern democratic concept of one person, one vote. They just don't believe in it, which explains why the courts are so obviously divided along partisan lines:

    Justice Antonin Scalia cheerfully pointed to it on 1 December 2000 during oral arguments in Bush v Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, the first of the two cases to be heard by the high tribunal. While interrogating Al Gore's attorney, Laurence Tribe, Scalia noted that "in fact, there is no right of suffrage under Article II." Ten days later, in Bush v Gore, the majority opinion drove the point home, emphasizing that "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the electoral college."

The next thing to watch for is increased hysteria about "illegal aliens" voting and strong voter suppression efforts in the southwestern swing states. It's the old stomping ground of the last chief justice William Rehnquist, who made his conservative bones intimidating Mexican American voters, as an Arizona poll watcher for Operation Eagle Eye back in the 1960's. They've been at this for a long, long time. And from the looks of things, the newly conservative judiciary will be upholding their efforts more often than not.

Conservatives have built institutions dedicated to keeping people from voting or making sure their votes don't count, despite ample evidence that their "voter fraud" rationale is illegitimate. They clearly believe that if every eligible voter votes in this country they will lose elections. In light of that, this seems like an idea that progressives should pursue relentlessly until they get it done.

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Re: What to do when you don't believe you can legitimately win elections
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2007, 05:45:25 PM »
The case presents what seems to be a straightforward and even unremarkable question: Does a state requirement that voters show a specific kind of photo identification before casting a ballot violate the Constitution?

Clearly no.

There is no part of the Constitution or admendments that provide that States must allow persons to vote multiple times in a single election.

This is cheating to Republicans , preventing it is cheating to Democrats.

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 11:29:45 AM »
Is there strong statistical evidence to suggest that possession of photo ID is strongly skewed to favour whites over blacks, rich over poor, etc.?  That seems like the key to the case.

I believe that the commonest photo ID is the driver's licence, probably followed by the passport.  It would seem to me that the economic underclass has a lesser need for driver licences and passports than do the middle and upper classes.

If the criterion of voter fraud detection resides in the possession of documents that more or less depends on one's socioeconomic status, there is going to be obvious disenfranchisement of legitimate voters.  If voter fraud detection is the true object of the exercise, it should be based on something that EVERY voter has on him or her at all times (to prevent disenfranchisement of the chronically disorganized) and that costs nothing (to avoid economic disenfranchisement) such as fingerprints or retinal blood vessels.  But you will see that the Republicans have NO INTEREST in any logical, fair and non-discriminatory means of preventing voter fraud, because they are no more concerned about voter fraud than they are about the plight of the Amazon rain forest - - their only objective, and this is patently obvious, is the disenfranchisement of their opponents.

I found, of all the articles that Lanya has dug up, this is far and away the most disturbing, because it relates to a direct assault on the democratic process in the world's most democratic country, and moreover the assault looks to me like it is succeeding wildly and is unstoppable, given the politicization of the Amerikkkan judiciary.  One more nail in the coffin of what Amerikkka once was.

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Re: What to do when you don't believe you can legitimately win elections
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 12:40:33 PM »
relates to a direct assault on the democratic process in the world's most democratic country,
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Hunh? How is the US the "world's most democratic country"?

I would agree with "the world's most influential or populous country".

Canada would be the world's largest in size democratic country.

Costa Rica, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, France and all more democratic than the US.

In the US there are only two parties, and in much of it only one counts.

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 01:08:02 PM »
Costa Rica, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands, France and all more democratic than the US.>>

How you figure that?  In the U.S. even the fucking prosecutors and some of the judges are elected.

It may be true that an actual one-party state and secret government have developed, but that's not the way it started out.

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 09:01:08 PM »
What to do when you don't believe you can legitimately win elections....

....You cheat, by advocating as many people to vote as many times as possible, especially if they're poor, a minority, a non-citizen, or dead.  Then cry foul...disenfranchisement...racist, when any one catches on to the tact
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Re: What to do when you don't believe you can legitimately win elections
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2007, 12:03:44 PM »
I don't see how requiring ID to vote is racist?  You need an ID to take a urinalysis for a job, to cash a check, to take an SAT (or any other college acceptance test), to get hired on for a job.  The bigger question to me is:  how do you get by in society without some form of ID?

Here in WA a driver's license costs $25.  You can get an ID card for (I think) $7, which is just like a driver's license without the driving endorsement.  I don't see it being financially burdensome, even to someone on a fixed and limited income, as one is valid for 5 years.  It doesn't equate to a poll tax or the literacy tests that were used in the past, at least not in my mind.

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2007, 12:22:12 PM »
I think we're operating in a factual vacuum here.  There should be (and maybe there are) statistical studies indicating the commonest forms of photo ID, and then the likelihood of one's possessing such forms if one is (a) Black, (b) Hispanic or (c) White.  Either the possession of photo ID is or is not racially skewed.

If, as I believe is the case, blacks are significantly less likely to possess photo ID than whites, then there is a clear evidence of racially based disenfranchisement.  Against which, one has to measure the likelihood of voter fraud AND consider whether other non-discriminatory, non-disenfranchising means of combating voter fraud exist as viable alternatives to photo ID requirements.  Fingerprints and retinal scans come quickly to mind.

It might also be useful to determine whether the photo-ID requirements can be easily circumvented, because if they are useless in preventing voter fraud, then their only possible remaining function would be black voter disenfranchisement.

The allegedly low cost of obtaining photo ID should not be a factor.  To low-income voters, experience has shown that even low-cost deterrents act as an effective barrier.  Citizens should not have to pay for the right to vote.  Period.

I think it's obvious that the photo-ID requirements are crude vote-suppression tactics but equally obviously, the courts have been stacked to protect them all the way to the top.   Democracy is fucked.  This won't be turned around, it's here to stay.

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2007, 12:36:02 PM »
Here's the way it works in Florida. The immigrant or poor uneducated Black person comes to Miami or some other city and gets a job. They need a car, so they buy one and get a license. They do not, however, buy the required insurance, so the first time they are stopped, they lose the license and the car is towed to a tow lot run by goons, thugs, and Dobermans, and they don't have the $300 or so to bail it out. Now they have no license. It they have an accident and that is why the cops ticket them, they must pay damages to the other person's car, and of course, they have no money, so now they are dependent on the city bus system, which means they are likely to lose their crappy minimum-wage job. Tbe office that provides ID's is not open except between 8:30 and 3:30 of 4:00 PM, anyway.

Naturally they are not going to get a state ID card, nor are they really concerned with voting, if they are citizens.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2007, 12:48:10 PM »
If, as I believe is the case, blacks are significantly less likely to possess photo ID than whites, then there is a clear evidence of racially based disenfranchisement.

Why would they be less likely to possess photo ID (note that I'm not saying that they don't, only that I don't see why they would be)?  It is necessary to have a photo ID of some form in order to fill out an I-9 form when a person is hired.  Does that mean that these people (who lack photo ID, not necessarily blacks) haven't worked in 5 years?  Or for those retired folks who don't work, how do they drive (if they do) or write a check (stereotypical, I know, but I noticed this past holiday season that nearly every person that I was behind in a checkout line that was over 55 tended to write a check).  It is practically impossible to function in a modern society without a photo ID.

It might also be useful to determine whether the photo-ID requirements can be easily circumvented, because if they are useless in preventing voter fraud, then their only possible remaining function would be black voter disenfranchisement.

I am in agreement here.

The allegedly low cost of obtaining photo ID should not be a factor.

Sure it should.  $7 for an ID card that has other useful purposes is not the same as charging a fee of $500 at the polling station to vote, though some try to make out like it is.

To low-income voters, experience has shown that even low-cost deterrents act as an effective barrier

Perhaps an effort should be made to provide subsidization for these folks, $7 per person for anyone making less than $1000 a month would be livable to me, especially when the ID would allow them to work.

Citizens should not have to pay for the right to vote.

Where is the line drawn here?  Should the state pay for taxi service or charter a bus or van to get people to the polling station, because Grandpa in his 1973 Chevy pickup, which gets all of 8 miles to the gallon, has to drive 10 miles to his polling station?  His cost for that trip equals $4.80 for a round trip, with gas at $3 a gallon.  Should the state have to buy clothes for the nudist so that he isn't arrested when he goes to vote?  I don't think requiring an inexpensive photo ID is out of line.

I think it's obvious that the photo-ID requirements are crude vote-suppression tactics but equally obviously, the courts have been stacked to protect them all the way to the top.


As you've probably discerned by now, I disagree.

Democracy is fucked.

There are far better examples of democracy being fucked than requiring photo ID vote.  For example, why is it that jury pools are selected out of registered voters? (In my state/county anyway).  They aren't pooled out of driver license numbers.  And if a person on the jury panel is a felon, or disagrees with the death penalty, whatever, they may be recused.  The Constitution states "a jury of peers", not "a jury of goody two shoed registered voters".  I'd be more likely to agree with you on the basis of this scenario than the photo ID one.

Here's the way it works in Florida. The immigrant or poor uneducated Black person comes to Miami or some other city and gets a job. They need a car, so they buy one and get a license. They do not, however, buy the required insurance, so the first time they are stopped, they lose the license and the car is towed to a tow lot run by goons, thugs, and Dobermans, and they don't have the $300 or so to bail it out.

Is it a bad idea to mandate auto insurance?  Further, the fact that the person chose to not purchase the insurance is not responsible for their not having a photo ID, they lost their license but not the ability to secure another form of photo ID.

Tbe office that provides ID's is not open except between 8:30 and 3:30 of 4:00 PM, anyway.

I agree with  you here, government offices (especially well used ones like licensing) should be far easier to access than they currently are.

Naturally they are not going to get a state ID card, nor are they really concerned with voting, if they are citizens.

A) The decision not to get a state ID card is theirs, and may impact their right to vote, just like committing a felony would.  Whether they make this decision informed or not is also their decision.

B) If they are not really concerned with voting, how is this disenfranchisement?

C)  If they aren't citizens, they shouldn't be voting anyway.

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Re: What to do when you don't believe you can legitimately win elections
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 01:14:58 PM »
If blacks have a significantly higher unemployment rate (and they do) then they have less need for any employment-related photo ID.

I agree with the subsidizing of costs for poor voters' photo-ID.  Remains to be seen if the Republican sponsors of this photo-ID BS are also willing to subsidize the costs of the poor in obtaining it.  Also, why is there no move by concerned Republicans for retinal-scan or fingerprint ID instead of photo-ID?

I'd like to know - - somebody once posted an article in response to this same question, but I can't find it now - - where is the evidence for all this "voter fraud" which supposedly drives the need for counter-measures like photo-ID?

I don't think it's legitimate to compare mileage costs to the polls with fixed cost photo ID expenses.  Most parties provide transportation to their supporters, but even if they didn't, the gasoline cost is kind of remote.  It's not a case of indemnifying voters for every cent their vote costs them, so much as it not imposing a direct burden on them that can't be circumvented (as for example by walking to the polls, getting a ride, etc.)

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 01:30:49 PM »
I believe that people should have car insurance, and should not be driving without it. My solution would be to insure the whole damned state and pay for it by charging a surtax at the gas pump. I doubt that they will ever do this, but a huge portion of auto insurance costs are maintaining hundreds of offices and thousands of employees around the state that would be unnecessary under my plan.

Many people are clearly unqualified to vote or serve on juries. But it's impossible to weed out the incompetent from the competent, so the best way is to have everyone eligible.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 10:17:40 PM »
I agree with the subsidizing of costs for poor voters' photo-ID.  Remains to be seen if the Republican sponsors of this photo-ID BS are also willing to subsidize the costs of the poor in obtaining it.  Also, why is there no move by concerned Republicans for retinal-scan or fingerprint ID instead of photo-ID?

For the first point, the recent act passed in Georgia included a provision for the issuance of a state photo ID for free. And if you couldn't go down to a state office when they were open to get your free id, you could call them up and they'd send a van out to your home with all the needed equipment on your preferred schedule to make your free photo ID on the spot. This, however, was also struck down as being too burdensome for the voter. The second point - retinal scans and the "quicky" fingerprint readers are very unreliable at this point, and the reliable ones are too expensive to implement nationwide.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2007, 12:15:45 AM »
The second point - retinal scans and the "quicky" fingerprint readers are very unreliable at this point, and the reliable ones are too expensive to implement nationwide.

To apply for a job as a teacher in Florida schools, the teacher candidate must pay for a thorough fingerprinting, and this costs nearly $100. If you complain, they tell you how many baddies they have caught, but that is not the point: teachers should not be forced to pay for being treated as criminals. I doubt that they really have caught many sex offenders and child abusers, but still, this should not cost so much and the cost should not be borne by someone who wants a job.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 12:48:39 AM »
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I doubt that they really have caught many sex offenders and child abusers, but still, this should not cost so much and the cost should not be borne by someone who wants a job.

Perhaps they should reimburse you for the fingerprinting and background check expense after you have been on the job for a given amount of time.