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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Cynthia on August 26, 2008, 10:48:34 PM
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Listen to this convention...listen to the human element standing up and calling witness to the unfair policies in this nation.
Women still do not have equal rights. But of course the men on this gate, more than likely, will find a way to brush that reality under the table somehow.
I wonder if any politician is really there for ALL of the people of the United States of America.
As I listen to the woman from Alabama who was robbed of the same salary as her male peers, I wonder how many people in this gate and abroad are really numb to her plea. I have a feeling most of the nation's wealthy truly do not give a damn.
Do you?
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I have a feeling most of the nation's wealthy truly do not give a damn.
Do you?
About what?
I believe that all Americans have the right to equal protection under the law regardless of race, creed or gender.
I also believe that each of us has the responsibility to assert that right.
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I have a feeling most of the nation's wealthy truly do not give a damn.
Do you?
About what?
I believe that all Americans have the right to equal protection under the law regardless of race, creed or gender.
I also believe that each of us has the responsibility to assert that right.
BUt, I do not see the Republicans as a caring group of individuals overall when it comes to the poor, BT.
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BUt, I do not see the Republicans as a caring group of individuals overall when it comes to the poor, BT.
I also don't believe in discrimination and bias based on the contents of your wallet, whether rich or poor.
Can you say the same?
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BUt, I do not see the Republicans as a caring group of individuals overall when it comes to the poor, BT.
I also don't believe in discrimination and bias based on the contents of your wallet, whether rich or poor.
Can you say the same?
Well, I am not biased against the rich. I am not. I do, however wonder if those who have more really care for those who suffer..and I mean SUFFER, Bill.
I am aware that the likes of Donald Trump give their money to charity. But can the poor give their money to the rich?
Bias....not a fair playing field. Women who are discriminated against in the work place because of their gender.....not a bias, but an out and out wrong.
Sure, I believe that folks who work hard for their money deserver to keep their money. That's my republican root speaking, but I do believe that we are a GOD based society and we must look out for those who are poor. Jesus was the man who is at the root of our nation's IN GOD WE TRUST mentality.
I suppose I am altruistic in nature, but I wonder why we can't provide health care for all.
Will the Republicans provide that for our society, BT?
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I have a feeling most of the nation's wealthy truly do not give a damn.
Do you?
About what?
I believe that all Americans have the right to equal protection under the law regardless of race, creed or gender.
I also believe that each of us has the responsibility to assert that right.
Ok.....good
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Well, I am not biased against the rich.
If you aren't biased why did you say this?
I have a feeling most of the nation's wealthy truly do not give a damn.
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Well, I am not biased against the rich.
If you aren't biased why did you say this?
I have a feeling most of the nation's wealthy truly do not give a damn.
You got me there. Ok.
But, I am not biased against the poor. Perhaps I am biased against those who do not give to others.
You're right.
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Will the Republicans provide that for our society, BT?
I have been promoting UHC at the state level funded by a sales tax for years.
Neighborhood clinics to take the load off of emergency rooms.
Partner with private clinics like the trials going on at WalMart and Target.
Market additional health insurance like we do auto insurance. Let the insurers compete the same way.
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Will the Republicans provide that for our society, BT?
I have been promoting UHC at the state level funded by a sales tax for years.
Neighborhood clinics to take the load off of emergency rooms.
Partner with private clinics like the trials going on at WalMart and Target.
Market additional health insurance like we do auto insurance. Let the insurers compete the same way.
It's obvious that you are on the ground floor, Bt.
If anything can take the pressure off of the emergency room waiting room floor that is a good thing.
We need more of that which you apparently have to offer in that venue.
So, then why is there such dissention with regard to health care in the arena of Rep's vs the Dems... ???
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Perhaps I am biased against those who do not give to others.
How do you know who gives what to whom. Even the poor can give to someone less fortunate than themselves.
If not money or goods then time.
You ever been to a Habitat build. People from all walks of life, rich and poor give of their time to help someone. Freely. No mandate, no shame. That is how it should be.
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So, then why is there such dissention with regard to health care in the arena of Rep's vs the Dems..
Is there?
I think the bigger divide is what the program would look like, how the services would be delivered, who pays for it and who controls it. Of course, i am only speaking for myself.
How would you implement such a program.
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Perhaps I am biased against those who do not give to others.
How do you know who gives what to whom. Even the poor can give to someone less fortunate than themselves.
If not money or goods then time.
You ever been to a Habitat build. People from all walks of life, rich and poor give of their time to help someone. Freely. No mandate, no shame. That is how it should be.
As a Cathoic believer, I understand your point.
But, I doubt that the average wealthy man/woman is willing to give to the poor, Bill.
come on.....let's be real.
I am not a socialist. God, I am not, but I wonder why those who suffer without health care and the right to chose a good doctor have to endure such a a humiliating experience. I have a good friend who lives in Philly. HE and his brother live alone. They do not have the ability to work. Why should they suffer. why?
The rich have so much to give and so much to spend. What's wrong with this picture.
My god, my father would kill me if he knew that I questioned such things.
But, I want to know why we can not help those who have not. . . including women who have not be given the same pay as their male counterparts.
The poor give because they are humble.
Why do the rich give? Tax write offs. :(
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How would you implement such a program.
Well I have no answer to this question, BT. But, I have to say that if I were in your field of politics, perhaps I would have such an answer. How would you implement this program? Sincerely asking here now.
I feel as though the poor do not get their due.
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Well I have no answer to this question, BT. But, I have to say that if I were in your field of politics, perhaps I would have such an answer. How would you implement this program? Sincerely asking here now.
I have already told you.
Managed locally, state level, funding is equalized that way. Fund with sales tax.
Everybody pays.
Model it on the VA . They do an excellent job.
Use physicians assistants where practical. Offer scholarships with service commitments for community health workers. Institute arbitration in lieu of law suits. Bulk purchase drugs at negotiated lowest cost pricing. or match wal mart pricing on commonly prescribed drugs. Perhaps a $10 dollar co-pay for clinic visits. That just off the top of my head.
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But, I doubt that the average wealthy man/woman is willing to give to the poor, Bill.
come on.....let's be real.
I think this is your bias talking.
When i worked for a small computer company before i went on my own, we would take nominations for a family in need to provide Christmas for. Perhaps a family that had suffered a recent fire, or was severely affected by a job loss or a factory closing. We would buy gifts for the kids, food for a week, clothes for the job seeker or replace clothes that were lost, donate a computer to the family and enlist donations s from our customer base. Sometimes we received enough to help more than one family. Everybody chipped in, from management to sales to staff to warehouse help.
All was freely given and gratefully received.
We did what we could. And at the minimum we made one families life a little more joyous.
Don't tell me i need to help the poor. Introduce me to John Smith and i might be able to help.
Don't tell me that women have a rotten deal. Tell me how Joan Smith was discriminated against and perhaps i can introduce her to someone who can help.
Put a face and name to the needy.
Don't make helping an impossible mission.
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Well I have no answer to this question, BT. But, I have to say that if I were in your field of politics, perhaps I would have such an answer. How would you implement this program? Sincerely asking here now.
I have already told you.
Managed locally, state level, funding is equalized that way. Fund with sales tax.
Everybody pays.
Model it on the VA . They do an excellent job.
Use physicians assistants where practical. Offer scholarships with service commitments for community health workers. Institute arbitration in lieu of law suits. Bulk purchase drugs at negotiated lowest cost pricing. or match wal mart pricing on commonly prescribed drugs. Perhaps a $10 dollar co-pay for clinic visits. That just off the top of my head.
With all due respect....You never told me such as you have here.
Ok..I am listening.
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Well I have no answer to this question, BT. But, I have to say that if I were in your field of politics, perhaps I would have such an answer. How would you implement this program? Sincerely asking here now.
I have already told you.
Managed locally, state level, funding is equalized that way. Fund with sales tax.
Everybody pays.
Model it on the VA . They do an excellent job.
Use physicians assistants where practical. Offer scholarships with service commitments for community health workers. Institute arbitration in lieu of law suits. Bulk purchase drugs at negotiated lowest cost pricing. or match wal mart pricing on commonly prescribed drugs. Perhaps a $10 dollar co-pay for clinic visits. That just off the top of my head.
With all due respect....You never told me such as you have here.
Ok..I am listening.
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But, I doubt that the average wealthy man/woman is willing to give to the poor, Bill.
come on.....let's be real.
I think this is your bias talking.
When i worked for a small computer company before i went on my own, we would take nominations for a family in need to provide Christmas for. Perhaps a family that had suffered a recent fire, or was severely affected by a job loss or a factory closing. We would buy gifts for the kids, food for a week, clothes for the job seeker or replace clothes that were lost, donate a computer to the family and enlist donations s from our customer base. Sometimes we received enough to help more than one family. Everybody chipped in, from management to sales to staff to warehouse help.
All was freely given and gratefully received.
We did what we could. And at the minimum we made one families life a little more joyous.
Don't tell me i need to help the poor. Introduce me to John Smith and i might be able to help.
Don't tell me that women have a rotten deal. Tell me how Joan Smith was discriminated against and perhaps i can introduce her to someone who can help.
Put a face and name to the needy.
Don't make helping an impossible mission.
You know what BT? I want to KNOW more about this...I am hungry to hear that the right is not out of the loop with regard to such matters.
I am willing to hear you out. I am.
Please do not BS me here now. I need your honest take on how the "right" can help the poor and how the left is not.
Open minded I am.
Continue with your honest and reality based points of view.
Tell me that we can still 'GIVE' to others if we are NOT a Kennedy.
I do not want to let go of the pull for the lifting of the poor...so you better make it good, hon...You had better make your case good and wise.
Lest I believe that only the Obama's of the world are worthy.
Remember, I am in this for the little people and those who are not able.
I have a friend in PHilly who is suffering without the possibility of a hells chance to receive the "goods' he and his brother deserve.
They are disabled and poor. So poor that they can not work. How do we help my friend if not through some sort of realistic program in the governemtn.
It is not as if he and his bro are begging. It's not as though he and his brother are capable of working. They are not.
So, who helps these twin brothers? Who.
Their father was a band member with Nat King COLE once upon a time.
The old musicians of yesteryear.
The Vietnamese receive more than do they...sadly.
One of the men of whom I speak has a severe mental disability. Who is there for the son of one of the RATPACK members? Who?
YEt, we are quick to give out to those who are immigrants..i.e. Vietnamese folk.
When those who suffer and have given all they can to this society can not even turn on their gas in teh winter.
I want for them, Bill.
Tell me how I can support my dear brothers in Christ who live in the inner city Philadelphia area.
How?
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Well I have no answer to this question, BT. But, I have to say that if I were in your field of politics, perhaps I would have such an answer. How would you implement this program? Sincerely asking here now.
I have already told you.
Managed locally, state level, funding is equalized that way. Fund with sales tax.
Everybody pays.
Model it on the VA . They do an excellent job.
Use physicians assistants where practical. Offer scholarships with service commitments for community health workers. Institute arbitration in lieu of law suits. Bulk purchase drugs at negotiated lowest cost pricing. or match wal mart pricing on commonly prescribed drugs. Perhaps a $10 dollar co-pay for clinic visits. That just off the top of my head.
With all due respect....You never told me such as you have here.
Ok..I am listening.
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Ok, tell me more.
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Please do not BS me here now. I need your honest take on how the "right" can help the poor and how the left is not.
I don't believe i ever said the left doesn't give.
I believe your statement was the rich don't give a damn.
Tell me how I can support my dear brothers in Christ who live in the inner city Philadelphia area.
How?
Send them a check. Introduce them to SSI. Tell them about heating subsidies. There are federal, state an local programs, public and private. Point them to education opportunities so they can learn a skill and be self reliant in spite of their disabilities.