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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2011, 11:11:59 AM »
I have no idea whether he was dreaming about doing this or he feels as though it is a cool thing to do. It seems downright dangerous and antisocial to me.

you are a pampas ass.

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2011, 02:24:26 PM »
Get on your bike and drive down the street blasting away like this.

You will be charged with far more than being a pompous ass.
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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2011, 01:00:41 AM »
http://m.npr.org/programs/all/3/135408659?singlePage=true
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In recent years, Somali piracy has grown into a multimillion-dollar criminal enterprise. Rarely a week goes by that pirates don't attack or seize a ship.

Ransoms now average between $4 million and $5 million, and researchers estimate as many as 2,000 pirates operate from Somalia's shores.

Law enforcement sources say the larger pirate syndicates are becoming increasingly sophisticated and professional. Last year, the coast guard in the Seychelles, an island nation in the Indian Ocean, found an 11-page, handwritten piracy contract in a seized skiff. Like many business ventures, the contract outlined everything from division of profits to an employee code of conduct.

There were even incentive bonuses.
Follow the link to read more , or listen to the podcast , very good article .

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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2011, 02:03:40 AM »
It would be great if an invention could end piracy everywhere. I am all for it.

The fact remains that this planet, supposedly designed for humans, is mostly covered with water that we cannot even drink. The ocean is wide, too wide to prevent all piracy. Perhaps someday with global satellites we can track all ships at once and perhaps zap the bad pirates from space with a laser.

I was not "wrong again" on this. I was correct. piracy continues, because the area is to big to patrol it all and to prevent all piracy.
 
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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2011, 09:31:18 PM »
 It isn't really necessacery to patroll the whole area.

You only have to patroll where the ships are.

If the ships were traveling in convoy with a few warships and patroll boats they could pass through the area invunerable to skiffs with small wepons.

  If I were a Loyds of London member I would insist that none of my insured craft pass through that area singly.

  Convoys are not easy, but nothing new need be invented for them.

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2011, 11:21:32 PM »
The ships apparently do not follow set routes. I imagine that insurance companies could make routes more uniform, but ships do not all travel between the same ports.  If convoys were useful, I think they would use convoys. Apparently they are not a complete solution to the problem.

I do know that the naval authorities say that the reason for piracy is that the area is to vast to patrol it all. I think that they are better experts than, say, sirs or kramer.
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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2011, 01:24:17 AM »
When did I ever claim to be an expert on Naval patrol routes or protocols?  Or anything to do with this Piracy tangent for that matter?? 

Care to rephrase your flawed concept?
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2011, 11:39:34 AM »
You are a jerk. You will spend weeks denying that water is wet. To you, every question is about your ego.

The original post claimed that I was wrong about the ocean being too huge to catch all the pirates because is some new weapon that the navy was using.

That is not true. What I said was true: the ocean is too large an area to respond to piracy anywhere at any time. I was not wrong. The Navy agrees.

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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2011, 11:48:49 AM »
You are a jerk. You will spend weeks denying that water is wet. To you, every question is about your ego.

The original post claimed that I was wrong about the ocean being too huge to catch all the pirates because is some new weapon that the navy was using.

That is not true. What I said was true: the ocean is too large an area to respond to piracy anywhere at any time. I was not wrong. The Navy agrees.

What does wet water have to do with the discussion?

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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2011, 11:51:08 AM »
You are a jerk. You will spend weeks denying that water is wet. To you, every question is about your ego.

The original post claimed that I was wrong about the ocean being too huge to catch all the pirates because is some new weapon that the navy was using.

That is not true. What I said was true: the ocean is too large an area to respond to piracy anywhere at any time. I was not wrong. The Navy agrees.


And what does that balderdash (i.e. garbage) have to do with anything about my so-called claiming or even acting as an expert in Naval operations??
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2011, 05:18:58 PM »
Okay, I admit it: you do not know jack about naval operations, okay?

Does that make you happy?
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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2011, 05:35:10 PM »
Who said I was ever sad?  Boy, you really do have a problem in making accurate pronouncements
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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2011, 05:38:09 PM »
Who said I was ever sad?  Boy, you really do have a problem in making accurate pronouncements

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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2011, 07:20:53 PM »
The ships apparently do not follow set routes. I imagine that insurance companies could make routes more uniform, but ships do not all travel between the same ports.  If convoys were useful, I think they would use convoys. Apparently they are not a complete solution to the problem.

I do know that the naval authorities say that the reason for piracy is that the area is to vast to patrol it all. I think that they are better experts than, say, sirs or kramer.


     I don't have a degree in it , but I was a sailor and I have sailed in that area, I have made port o'call in Sudan, Kenya and have transited the Suez.

        Early in WWII there were a lot of losses to U-Boats and convoy tactics reduced the losses, there was resistance from ship owners and captains because convoys are not easy to manage or particapate in.
        I think as long as the pirates are attacking from small skiffs they will be quite vunerable to the small arms that can easily be mounted on any ship and helpless to fight any real warship.

         You may have a point that it takes a huge and impractical fleet to patroll the entire Indian Ocean , but my counter point is that it would only take a few warships to escort a convoy even if the convoy was quite large.

         The inconvienience of forming convoys would be made up for each time that a piracy was foiled.

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Re: XO was wrong again
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2011, 10:28:51 PM »
Hey, it is fine with me if they travel in convoys. I assume that they would do this if it were practical. A convoy involves several ships traveling between the same two points at the same time, and I imagine that cargoes would be delayed by using convoys.

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