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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Religious Dick on August 03, 2007, 03:52:26 PM
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News and Analysis
Nature Reviews Drug Discovery 6, 257-258 (April 2007) | doi:10.1038/nrd2293
Price controls seen as key to Europe's drug innovation lag
Peter Mitchell1
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Abstract
Pharmaceutical innovation is not only occurring faster in the United States than in Europe, but the gap is getting wider.
For those hoping that Europe might be redressing the imbalance in R&D innovation compared with the United States, two recent reports make gloomy reading. According to a competitiveness report published in November 2006 by the European Commission's high-level Pharmaceutical Forum, the US has established itself firmly as the key innovator in pharmaceuticals since 2000. "That dominant position continues to expand... a disproportionate share of pharmaceutical R&D is performed in the US," it laments.
The discouraging conclusion for European R&D is backed up by Kenneth Kaitin, Director of the Boston-based Tufts Center for the Study of Drug Development, which released a study on drug approval times and new drug availability in Europe and the US earlier this year. He says pharmaceutical companies are increasingly submitting their new drug applications in the US long before they apply in Europe ? and as a direct result, they are focusing their R&D efforts in the US too.
Of the 71 drugs receiving marketing clearance both in the European Union and the US between 2000 and 2005, 73% (that is, 52 drugs) received approval first from the US FDA (Fig. 1). On average, the FDA approval came 1 year ahead of clearance by the European Medicines Agency (EMEA).
Complete article at Nature (http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v6/n4/full/nrd2293.html;jsessionid=EAC420CFF1153D9BA8E979890E0B0104)
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So it isn't that American companies are making better medicines, it is that the FDA approves drugs more quickly now than the EU equivalent.
Big deal.
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So it isn't that American companies are making better medicines, it is that the FDA approves drugs more quickly now than the EU equivalent.
Big deal.
Maybe you ought to try reading the rest of the article before commenting on it:
Nor was this 'drug gap' due to faster FDA processing: both agencies have an identical mean approval time of 15.7 months. Instead, said Kaitin, drugs hit the US market first because the sponsors choose to submit them there first.
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So they submit them here first.
That's even less impressive.
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So they submit them here first.
That's even less impressive.
And you obviously still haven't read the fucking article.
Less impressive still!
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lag??
isn`t viagra from ireland?
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Lag?
One of my meds was developed in Belgium.
http://www.ucb.be/
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Lag?
One of my meds was developed in Belgium.
http://www.ucb.be/
I don't see where anyone said Europe develops no drugs, simply that it lags behind the US significantly.
Note, this article doesn't come from some political rag, but from one of the most respected scientific journals published in the English language.
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I believe what RD is saying is that ya'll are misisng a major point, namely that it is the very presence of price controls that is causing this lag, thereby hurting the average European.
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I beleive what RD is saying is that ya'll are misisng a mjaor point, namely that it is the very presence of price contolrs that is causing this lag, tthereby hurting the average European.
The Advradge European can get the drugs developed in the US for less than the advradge American can.
The real problem is the unseen one , that here would be fewer drugs developed in total ,if all the world ran on the European model.
After one makes this diffrence , how can one prove that te rate of development ,R&D and testing has fallen ?
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From the article:
A slackening of price controls in Europe seems unlikely in the current environment. But, according to Kaitin, pricing reform might indeed be Europe's best hope ? if it happens in the US, where Congress is scheduled to renew the relevant legislation this October.
"There is increasing pressure on the US government to introduce drug price controls," he says, "if that happens, it could balance the playing field."
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Why do I care about balancing the playing field? Price controls might mean that less drugs get produced here or the ones that do might have longer development times. If the average European suffers from this lag, then he/she needs to address THAT with their government which is so dang concerned about controlling so much of their lives.
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Why do I care about balancing the playing field? Price controls might mean that less drugs get produced here or the ones that do might have longer development times. If the average European suffers from this lag, then he/she needs to address THAT with their government which is so dang concerned about controlling so much of their lives.
LOL
Do you really think that the typical European lives so much differently than an American in terms of freedom?
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Why do I care about balancing the playing field? Price controls might mean that less drugs get produced here or the ones that do might have longer development times. If the average European suffers from this lag, then he/she needs to address THAT with their government which is so dang concerned about controlling so much of their lives.
LOL
Do you really think that the typical European lives so much differently than an American in terms of freedom?
Yes , I have been there and I didn't stay.
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How do you think they live?
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How do you think they live?
Thjeir lives are managed for them much more than ours , what they can build on their lots , what carreers they can choose , how much they can save up or spend , how they can buy or sell land or goods is much more in the hands of the government .
I would mention that they have less privacy too , it it were not that we are busy looseing ours down to their level pretty fast.
If we level the playing feild by lowering our rates of development with price controlls humanity as a whole will suffer the invisible loss of drugs developed much later the number of deaths and misery caused cannot be known.
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I believe what RD is saying is that ya'll are misisng a major point, namely that it is the very presence of price controls that is causing this lag, thereby hurting the average European.
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For someone who calls himself a professor, you are not very good at critical thinking.
The prices of many common drugs are three to ten times as high in the US. In Europe, medical plans cover a share of the costs of drugs, so what we have is a few Europeans that cannot buy new drugs (that are not necessarily BETTER drugs), while in the US we have many people who could be helped by drugs, but cannot afford them, such as hypertension drugs that sell for over $2.00 per pill.
Whether the European is "average" or not is immaterial, as no one can buy an unapproved drug in Europe, and the doctors will be unlikely to have been made aware of its existence.
A lot of these "new" drugs are simply reformulated versions of drugs whose patents have run out. Antacids at $8.00 per pill that for most people could be replaced with the same results with something as simple as Maalox.
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Thjeir lives are managed for them much more than ours , what they can build on their lots , what carreers they can choose , how much they can save up or spend , how they can buy or sell land or goods is much more in the hands of the government .
I would mention that they have less privacy too , it it were not that we are busy looseing ours down to their level pretty fast.
What they can build is restricted because they simply don't have as much land as we do.
What careers they can choose? Do you have evidence of this? I have cousins in many different fields and I'm interested in hearing your answer on this. One of my cousins is a lawyer who overcame a rare disability. Please answer this for me, I might email the discussion with her.
They can buy and sell goods much as we can. Clearly you've never been to a European marketplace.
Actually, their privacy is rather well-guarded, at least in Britain and Germany. Please explain.
If we level the playing feild by lowering our rates of development with price controlls humanity as a whole will suffer the invisible loss of drugs developed much later the number of deaths and misery caused cannot be known.
Yes, yes...three of the top five manufacturers of drugs in the world are in Europe. I'm not buying this argument. And don't give me the emotional dreg of "death and misery" as if that doesn't happen right here to people too poor to afford operations and/or these wonder drugs of which you speak.
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From the article:
A slackening of price controls in Europe seems unlikely in the current environment. But, according to Kaitin, pricing reform might indeed be Europe's best hope ? if it happens in the US, where Congress is scheduled to renew the relevant legislation this October.
"There is increasing pressure on the US government to introduce drug price controls," he says, "if that happens, it could balance the playing field."
So... the key to making Europe more competitive in drug development is to likewise cripple R&D in America?
How did I know you were a liberal?
Actually, their privacy is rather well-guarded, at least in Britain and Germany. Please explain.
ROTFLMAO!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/26/ncctv26.xml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/south_of_scotland/6293823.stm
http://www.reason.com/news/show/120250.html
Yes - in Britain they have surveillance cameras watching surveillance cameras to insure your privacy is well-guarded! Oy!
Yes, yes...three of the top five manufacturers of drugs in the world are in Europe.
And almost all of the top consumer electronics manufacturers are in China. Now, how much of the stuff that they manufacture is designed there?
Development. Manufacturing. Two different things.
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Yes - in Britain they have surveillance cameras watching surveillance cameras to insure your privacy is well-guarded! Oy!
A recent development with the war on terror and not something all that well-received.
They would point to the fact that we carry National ID cards (social security and Driver's licenses) as more of an intrusion.
Do I need to post a "ROTFLMAO" as well?
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They would point to the fact that we carry National ID cards (social security and Driver's licenses) as more of an intrusion.
Oh, really? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3127696.stm)
Do I need to post a "ROTFLMAO" as well?
Won't need too much pursuading
I don't mean to sound degrading
but with a face like that
you got nothing to laugh about
--Ron Wood, Rod Stewart "Stay With Me"
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Yes, really. Most Brits hate the idea of National ID cards, regardless of New Labour's stance on the issue. And you'll notice that Blair even struggled to push it through with a massive majority.
Quoting Rod Stewart?
If you want to come out of the closet, I don't think anyone here will be too harsh.