When does Palin get her apologies?

[sirs]

Your pessimistic position is duly noted

And your optimistic denial of the reality of the situation is also duly noted.

Yea, just give up.  Let DC ride rough shot over the Constitution.  Just some piece of paper.  Could use it for toilet paper, right.  Compromise on every principle so we can feel all warm and fuzzy that we found "common ground".  Yea, that's the way to go


NOT

What was your position on campaign finance reform again?

And that has what to do with the tea in China??

[BT]

And that has what to do with the tea in China??

No need to give a knee jerk answer. Think about the question, think about what is going on in DC. Then answer.

[sirs]

You already know what my position is regarding the Incumbent Protection Act, aka CFR.  So again, what does that have to do with anything in the supporting and electing of candidates/politicians that see the Government getting so completely out of control??

[BT]

You already know what my position is regarding the Incumbent Protection Act, aka CFR.  So again, what does that have to do with anything in the supporting and electing of candidates/politicians that see the Government getting so completely out of control??

Let me paraphrase your position. Money is speech.

My position:

Money is used to purchase something, invest in something, fund something.

So what do campaign contributions buy?

[sirs]

Support for a candidate/proposition

[BT]

Support for a candidate/proposition

Is that why the American Hospital Association donated $1.6 million to the Democrats?

or did they expect and receive something in return?

[sirs]

Likely both.  But average Sirs, like Average Joe doesn't have that kind of cash on hand, so is likely to be only supporting X vs expecting some quid pro quo

[BT]

Likely both.  But average Sirs, like Average Joe doesn't have that kind of cash on hand, so is likely to be only supporting X vs expecting some quid pro quo

So if you had the jack would you expect a quid pro quo?

[sirs]

Would you?

[BT]

Would you?

Probably not. Your answer was confusing because you made a point to say that the average sirs like the average joe didn't have that kind of cash.

So i guess my real question is should quid pro quo be SOP for campaign contributions? Is it ethical or healthy in a representative democracy? And if not, how do we put an end to it?

[sirs]

Would you?

Probably not.

Neither would I

So i guess my real question is should quid pro quo be SOP for campaign contributions? Is it ethical or healthy in a representative democracy?

No

And if not, how do we put an end to it?

We start with complete, unfettered public disclosure of who gave what to whom.  No hiding inside some nebulous Citizenry for a Better America PAC.  All non-profit organizations that are categorized as non-partisan lose that non-profit status if it can be shown they're merely a PAC supporting a specific political party

[BT]

No hiding inside some nebulous Citizenry for a Better America PAC.  All non-profit organizations that are categorized as non-partisan lose that non-profit status if it can be shown they're merely a PAC supporting a specific political party

So no more PACs? Defense Contractors contribute to both parties. Should that be allowed? How about only registered voters can contribute?

[sirs]

ANYONE, outside of felons, can contribute to anyone.  Merely full disclosure

[Christians4LessGvt]

ANYONE, outside of felons, can contribute to anyone.  Merely full disclosure

i am not sure of my position on this....
i like full disclosure from PACS/Unions/Corporations/Non-Profits
not so sure on individuals
why does SIRS need to know if I as an individual citizen give $1000 to Governor Christie?
i can see the corruption part danger with large donors from organizations....
not so much on individuals with strict limits on how much you can give
sure i know they currently track this and make it public....
i am not so sure i am fully comfortable with it being public....
i just dont see why my friends/neighbors/coworkers need to know who i donate to
but my mind is open to hear why this is sooooooo important

[BT]

ANYONE, outside of felons, can contribute to anyone.  Merely full disclosure

Can we determine whether making campaign contributions are a right?