High Stakes in Syria makes for crowded waters!

[Christians4LessGvt]

The English people got little out of backing the US, but the English and the US together control oil,

Total fantasy land leftist talking points.
More bullshit to connect the looney dots.
The US does not "control Iraqi Oil".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37577656/ns/business-oil_and_energy/t/china-reaps-benefits-iraq-war/

What does Israel offer the US?

Israel offers the US a beach-head against Islamo-Nazis.
This is a high stakes geo-political chess game.
You pretend if Israel were to fall that the IslamoNazis would be satisfied.
Israel is a buffer.....a key..strategic buffer and thats why unlike you, President Obama
and Hillary Clinton fully support Israel. But again you live in a fantasy land
where you imply President Obama and Hillary Clinton have been "bought off".
Whats that say about the people you are voting for if you believe they are that corrupt?

To the American people, a small yet steady drain on their resources.

No...that drain would be the miserable immoral failed policies of the Left.

lots of Jewish money and enough single-issue Jewish voters to throw the election

Yes those evil bribing corrupt Jews!
Those evil Jews "throwing elections"!
You disgraceful anti-Semite!

AIPAC's buying off of US media, churches, politicians and banks.

More fantasy land to connect the looney dots.
The Jews are bribing everyone!
But everybody else's money...the Saudi's, CAIR, Soros....thats not "buying off"
thats just partcipation in a political system! LOL

Eventually, Israel will fail, because of the corruption from within that Ami pointed out.

Please anti-Semite name a single country in the world free of all corruption?
Your and other anti-semite's false outrage is a joke!

In the long run, Israel is doomed by its own hand

Israel will survive and prosper as it should. In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation. Israel is here to stay!

[Xavier_Onassis]

Whistling through the graveyard, that is what you are doing.
Israel is, in the long run, doomed.

[sirs]

Well that's one opinion.  Flawed in so many ways, but hey, definate right to proclaim it

[Xavier_Onassis]

Jews are not bribing everyone, but they DO give free and discounted Holy Land trips to Americsn clergymen,and many Jews are single-issue voters, with Israel being the single issue. I did not say they "throw elections", but they do everything they can to get the vote out.I read the Miami Herald, and AIPAC and other Jewish organizations make very good use of their ability to propagandize.

AIPAC understands American politics better than most Americans do,and they make very good use of what they know.

It is hardly anti-Semitic to point this out. It is just a fact.

But what will doom Israel is breeding within Israel. It is not just corruption, but more and more religious types who are exempt from the Army and are totally subsidized by the Israeli government to study the Torah until they are 60 and then retire on a government pension. These dudes have ten and eleven children an a lot of THEM become subsidized Torah scholars. This is unsustainable. Anyone can see this.

[sirs]

Opinion duly noted

[BSB]

As I said CU4, I remember your bullshit when we invaded Iraq, you understood none of it, and you understand none of it now. You're consistently living in a phantasy world of Islamonazies and Dukakaphiles.

The middle east is changing so fast no one knows who will wind up allying with whom. This notion of a monolithic enemy lives only in your mind. There isn't one.

And going by some of the comments in your last post to me you're far dumber than I gave you credit for. You've entered the simpleton stage. It's a very complicated world CU4, and I'm sorry to say you aren't up to the task.


BSB

[Christians4LessGvt]

As I said CU4, I remember your bullshit when we invaded Iraq,
you understood none of it, and you understand none of it now.

I understood Iraq just like these folks did!
And I am glad Saddam Hussein is no longer in power & dead,
unable to use his WMD's on his own people again.

Democrats before Iraq War started....

[BSB]

Now I know you're from Texas, son, but I shouldn't have to explain every little thing to you.

I'm talking about your lack of understanding after the invasion took place. I'm not debating in this thread the wisdom, or lack there of, of the invasion itself. You had no idea what was happening on the ground, let alone how to combat it. That's no surprise though. You Texans can't even protect your own border. The rest of America has had to go down there and fight the Mexicans for you more than once in the past, and it looks like we're going to have to do it again.

BSB

[Xavier_Onassis]

The US did not invade Iraq to prevent Saddam from gassing more Iraqis. There was no danger of that. There was no danger toi any American living in this country from Saddam Hussein. Now he's gone and that may be a good thing, but over 4,000 Americans are dead, many more are mangled for life, and half of Iraq has had to leave their homes for another.

It is not like Saddam was immortal.

And as BSB says, there is no monolithic Muslim Menace. The Shiites and the Sunnis are divided and there are many more divisions as well.It is too complicated for "Christians" to understand.

[sirs]

What messers Xo & BsB fail to add to their computations as while no one denies the issues the Shiites have with the Sunnis, and other factions have with other factions, nothing helps unite their causes better than to bring in the ultimate boogieman, that of Western Civilization, with the U.S. as the Satanic head to focus on & rally against

[Christians4LessGvt]

The US did not invade Iraq to prevent Saddam from gassing more Iraqis. There was no danger of that. There was no danger toi any American living in this country from Saddam Hussein.

Did you even watch the video?
Or do you prefer to just stay disconnected from reality?
In the video President Clinton, Joe Biden, & other leading Democrats clearly state
Saddam was a threat to the world, to world peace.....there is no mincing of words.
Clinton Sec of State Madeleine Albright said Saddam was the "greatest threat we face".

There were multiple reasons the US invaded Iraq, primarily to rid Iraq and the Iraqi
people of Saddam Hussein...who had used WMD multiple times according to
Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy Berger....it's in the video...watch it!

Senator Hillary Clinton stated in the video it was a national security issue for the US...watch it!

It is not like Saddam was immortal..

Neither was Hitler.
But as the Democrats in the video clearly state....Saddam was a danger so allowing
him to remain in power was not an risk worth taking.

And as BSB says, there is no monolithic Muslim Menace. The Shiites and the Sunnis are divided and there are many more divisions as well.

The German Nazis were "divided" too.
They tried to even assassinate Hitler.
That didn't make them any less dangerous!

[Christians4LessGvt]

I'm talking about your lack of understanding after the invasion took place.
I'm not debating in this thread the wisdom, or lack there of, of the invasion itself.
You had no idea what was happening on the ground, let alone how to combat it.

I had/have full understanding of what happened after the invasion.
We allowed Leftist ninny-ism dictate how we acted.
As your yankee general once stated "War Is Hell...."
And the post invasion should have been handled the way General Sherman handled enemies.
Iran should have been threatened with nuclear attack if they continued
killing our soldiers via their proxies in the afternath of Saddam's removal.
Thankfully we didn't listen to Dumbocrats that shamefully called our war leader
"General-BeTrayUs". Thankfully President Bush fully supported his
General and let General Petraeus do his job no matter what the Left wanted....
(which was failure in Iraq...yes the Left wanted US failure)

[Christians4LessGvt]

no one denies the issues the Shiites have with the Sunnis, and other factions have with other factions

It's not even really an issue.
No enemy is ever fully united.
The German Nazis had issues within their ranks.
They tried to assassinate Hitler.
Recently the anti-Khadafi factions killed each other.
In China Mao purged other Commies.
Like you say they have a common enemy....so they are very dangerous.
To pretend that Islamist are not as big a threat because
they have disagreements within their ranks is ludicrous!

[sirs]

To pretend that Islamist are not as big a threat because
they have disagreements within their ranks is ludicrous!

Precisely

[Xavier_Onassis]

This country cannot win a war with Islam. It would be monumentally stupid to engage in one.