"Confederate Flag"

[Christians4LessGvt]

Young African American woman explains "Confederate Flag"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=11&v=AFFLQ9w1f8o

[Xavier_Onassis]

I agree with her.

The Confederate flag (the Battle flag) does not belong on the capitol grounds.
If people want to stick it on their bumpers or tattoo it on their skin, that is okay with me.

Still, what can you say to Germans who want to fly the swastika to honor brave Grandpapa who died bravely at Stalingrad?

[Christians4LessGvt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvvEh8hvjz4

[Xavier_Onassis]

That guy is a nut.

[Plane]

Still, what can you say to Germans who want to fly the swastika to honor brave Grandpapa who died bravely at Stalingrad?

To honor them personally?
Why not?
Some of them are dead because my father shot them, would they feel hurt if I flew an old glory to honor him?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The fact it that it is entirely as possible to die bravely defending Nazi Germany as any other country.
Stonewall Jackson was every bit as much a racist as anyone who defended Omaha Beach.
Bravery is one thing, the morality oif the cause is another, different, thing.

Still, Swastikas are illegal in Germany today.

[Plane]

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Still, Swastikas are illegal in Germany today.

But not in the U.S.
Which is better?
There is a difference between the philosophy of the leadership and the valor of the common man.

If perfection is required , who will we admire at all?
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This case proves that if you are anti-racist , you need not have any class at all.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/11/memphis-city-council-votes-to-dig-up-grave-of-confederate-general-sell-his-statue/

On July 7 the Memphis City Council voted unanimously to exhume the body of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest from its 110 year resting place and move it to another location.

The body of Forrest’s wife will be exhumed as well.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was  a slave dealer who enlisted as a common soldier and became a general. He massacred the Black soldiers that he defeated at Ft. Pillow rather than to take them prisoner. After the War, he created the Ku Klux Klan. If there was ever a Confederate that deserved to be defamed, Forrest is the one who deserves it most. He was pretty much the most despicable Civil War general of all. They named things after him in the 1880's to teach them ni****ers a lesson. Another favorite was Rep. Preston Brooks, of, yes, South Carolina, who beat a Republican Congressman Charles Sumner nearly to death with a cane.  They renamed Brooksville FL for him.

Forrest Gump was named for Forrest, by the way.

Suppose there was a statue honoring Adolph Eichmann or Josef Mengele  in Germany. Should it be just left in a park named for him?

[Plane]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was  a slave dealer who enlisted as a common soldier and became a general. He massacred the Black soldiers that he defeated at Ft. Pillow rather than to take them prisoner. After the War, he created the Ku Klux Klan. If there was ever a Confederate that deserved to be defamed, Forrest is the one who deserves it most. He was pretty much the most despicable Civil War general of all. They named things after him in the 1880's to teach them ni****ers a lesson. Another favorite was Rep. Preston Brooks, of, yes, South Carolina, who beat a Republican Congressman Charles Sumner nearly to death with a cane.  They renamed Brooksville FL for him.

Forrest Gump was named for Forrest, by the way.

Suppose there was a statue honoring Adolph Eichmann or Josef Mengele  in Germany. Should it be just left in a park named for him?

That is not all true.

But it is a parcel and part of the attitude that it is fair to exaggerate or lie if it is contrary to racism.

But eventually it is like getting east by going west.

Something can be so blatantly crass that it defames the best of causes.

[kimba1]

Totally agree with what she says but because of her age she does not know the racist aspect that is connected to the flag.

Totally and completely has nothing to do the confederacy certain group co-opted the flag as their symbol and with pain and death burn the memory of the flag to alot of blacks in the sixties. Not saying it's an excuse for violence or damage but stating how it will be not possible for them to lets go.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Confederate flag has clearly become a racist symbol.
It is legal for people to display it all they want.

It does not send the message "My greatgranpappy defended his grits factory and cornpone mill against them Yankee invaders". It means "I hate them n*****s, they got too much awready".'

If I were a fan of the flag, I would still not stick it on my bumper. It would educate no one, inform no one of anything worthwhile, and could likely mean that my car would get keyed.

Bumperstickers are by and large not worth the trouble.

But people have the right to display their intolerance.

and every damned thing I said about Forrest was true. He did sell slaves, he was the only CSA general who rose all the way to general through the ranks, he did order the massacre of Black POWs at Fort Pillow,and he was one of the main founders of the Klan.

He mysteriously abandoned the Klan, though.  Perhaps he was threatened and not as brave as his reputation.

[Christians4LessGvt]

and every damned thing I said about Forrest was true. He did sell slaves, he was the only CSA general who rose all the way to general through the ranks, he did order the massacre of Black POWs at Fort Pillow,and he was one of the main founders of the Klan.

If everything you said was true then why when Union General William T. Sherman investigated
the allegations of massacre of Black POW's did he not charge General Forrest with any improprieties?

In fact years later Union General William Tecumseh Sherman stated that had war broken out with Spain
he would have considered it an honor to have served side-by-side with General Forrest..

Forrest an early important figure of the KKK also spoke at the Democratic National Convention.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Sherman was not noted for his benign attitude to people of races other than his own. After the Civil War, he dedicated himself to the extermination of the Plains Indians.
And his comment about Forrest was out of context. After the War, the Generals became buddies rather often. The KKK was quite welcome in the Democratic Party until the FDR Administration, that is no secret. Woodrow Wilson was a Southerner and a serious racist.

About Fort Pillow:

http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/fort-pillow-massacre

As it says, after this, prisoner exchanges ceased.

I see no good reason to honor this evil general as a hero in a public park.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Forrest was "cleared of any violations of the rules of war in regard to the alleged massacre at Fort Pillow,
and was allowed to return to private life".
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest


An investigation by Union general William T. Sherman did not find any fault with Forrest.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest


Forrest asked President Andrew Jackson for a pardon following the war and attempted to reconcile with his former Yankee foes. He would even invite many former Unionists to call on him at his home. He worked hard to clear his name of guilt in regards to the alleged Fort Pillow Massacre and in the end was absolved from guilt by a Federal board.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

[Xavier_Onassis]

President Andrew Jackson died in 1847, way before the Fort Pillow massacre.
Your knowledge of history is seriously flawed.

The Black troops surrendered and he ordered them killed. No one disputes that they were killed, and it was after the battle was over.
This murderer was the founder of the Ku Klux Klan. Why should he be honored in any public park?
Do you revere the Klan? Is that it?