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"Good vs Evil"
« on: February 18, 2010, 01:07:10 PM »
Kramer brings up a common reference to today's debate....that of good vs evil.  The left is chalk full of folks claiming their battles are largely their "good" vs those "evil" nazifascist conservatives

You'll have to pardon my generalities here and impending verbosity, but being I'm about to go into references that our leftist friends frequently employ when "reading between the lines", while conservatives are apparently too dumb to understand, that of nuance

MOST conservatives see issues as right vs wrong, which is what often confuses our leftest friends, because in most cases when assessing a situation as right vs wrong, there is little nuance involved.  Same applies to good vs evil, which is what leftests will frequently employ, again minus much of this prescious nuance they say they have such a firm grasp of.

Yes, when one is not as ideologically pure as folks like Tee, like Xo, then obviously you are a nazi, you are a fascist, you are dumb.  No nuance, no possiblilty that there's simply varying levels of disagreement, most of which can be rationally explained, no you're a frickin Hitler-lover, crying for the days concentration camps and mob lynchings.

But let's venture into this area referred to as nuance.  Now, outside of some folks on the far far right who have no problem referring to Obama as Stalin, can we NOT seriously look at the issues and definitions of fascism and communism??  When one really looks at the 2, IMHO there is very little that seperates such egregious governmental policy.  Both require severely oppressive governments, both stifle personal freedoms, both significantly attempt to control their media & educational institutions, in order to provide the proper amount of "education" to its masses.  And most notably, both have no problem liquidating those that do not wish to conform

Now, we have our resident Stalin supporters and communist supporters, who frequently attempt to persuade us that communism hasn't worked, because we simply haven't had a pure version of it yet.  And when we do....whalaaa, utopia.  Or so we're told.  And there in lies the issue, we being told what to do, how we're to do it, how long we can do it, what we won't be allowed to do, go, buy, etc.  No, that's left to those who simply know better than the rest of us.  In other words, freedom is not a priority in a Communist government.  Not even sure it makes the top 10.  Conformity and loyalty are 1&2.

In Fascism, IIRC, instead of the Government owning everything, the Government largely runs everything.  Government dictates how everyone is to act, how businesses are to function, how much profit you can take in, if any.  There's a private sector, but it is largely a pawn of the Government.  Now, we're being told by our leftists that Conservatives look forward to such.  We're told that Bush and the GOP were pushing towards such an endeavor.  I'd love to see some examples of that, since all I seem to recall is simply a lot of meritless nazi namecalling.  Like when you call someone a racist if they dare criticize AA or legal immigration.  Basically an intellectually lazy effort to shut someone up

Now, let's look at the current nuances of this Administration & congress.  I'm not calling Obama a 2nd coming of Stalin, or even Hitler (Both of them being far smarter than our current "chosen")   ;)   But I digress, this administration has put more Czars and more Government control over more large private institutions, than any other modern day President (perhaps Ami can correct me on that)   And all this overt Government take over is defended by the Obama cool-aide drinkers.  Hmmmm, yet the left wants to call Conservatives and the prior administration fascists??  

Thank you for your time and consderation in this matter
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 11:59:41 PM by sirs »
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 10:18:32 PM »

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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 10:35:38 PM »
You're too kind, Plane.  Thanks     8)
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2010, 12:21:59 AM »
Obama has aligned himself with haters like Rev Wright & Bill Ayers. Who would have friends like these two people? If Obama is smart, as some believe, then why is he doing what he's doing? The only explanation is he's made a pact with the devil because he isn't dumb. How could it be anything else. He is purposely harming our country -- no two ways about it! He's a bad man. Hitler was bad/evil, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and so on. It just so happens we have a person as our president that is just downright bad/evil. I think Pelosi is of the same mold as Obama. I see evil in her face. Really very scary.

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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 11:24:06 AM »
Aligned?, yes.  Bad?, yes.  Pact with the devil?, I'm not buying that.  Obama's a liberal, and we all knew that.  He (erroneously) saw his election as some call to impliment a whole host of liberal causes, using an unpopular president at the end of his term, and the economic downhill we were taking for calls on "immediate action", there by fast tracking alot of pork barrel spending and largely reward based payoffs using tax dollars, to all kinds of folks that helped get him elected, from unions to corporations.  I'm guessing that if he pushed Cash for Croakers 1st, he might have gotten it thru.  But by the time he did focus on it, the spending was completely out of control, unemployment had already surpassed what he said wouldn't, so long as they passed his immediate stimulus, and the electorate was starting to pay attention.  It's just a hunch, but I'm guessing if he could do it all over, he'd push Cash for Croakers 1st, then Cash for Clunkers later.

The point being, I don't see him as being "evil"  I see him as being a hard core liberal, and that's bad enough for this country.  Somone with a distinct track record of having piss poor judgement, outside of course, of trying to align with those folks who could help a hard core liberal move up the Chicago Political ranks.

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« Last Edit: February 19, 2010, 12:52:53 PM by sirs »
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 01:30:33 PM »
...can we NOT seriously look at the issues and definitions of fascism and communism??  When one really looks at the 2, IMHO there is very little that seperates such egregious governmental policy.  Both require severely oppressive governments, both stifle personal freedoms, both significantly attempt to control their media & educational institutions, in order to provide the proper amount of "education" to its masses.  And most notably, both have no problem liquidating those that do not wish to conform

Now, we have our resident Stalin supporters and communist supporters, who frequently attempt to persuade us that communism hasn't worked, because we simply haven't had a pure version of it yet.  And when we do....whalaaa, utopia.  Or so we're told.  And there in lies the issue, we being told what to do, how we're to do it, how long we can do it, what we won't be allowed to do, go, buy, etc.  No, that's left to those who simply know better than the rest of us.  In other words, freedom is not a priority in a Communist government.  Not even sure it makes the top 10.  Conformity and loyalty are 1&2.

In Fascism, IIRC, instead of the Government owning everything, the Government largely runs everything.  Government dictates how everyone is to act, how businesses are to function, how much profit you can take in, if any.  There's a private sector, but it is largely a pawn of the Government.  Now, we're being told by our leftists that Conservatives look forward to such.  We're told that Bush and the GOP were pushing towards such an endeavor.  ...

Now, let's look at the current nuances of this Administration & congress. ... this administration has put more Czars and more Government control over more large private institutions, than any other modern day President (perhaps Ami can correct me on that)   And all this overt Government take over is defended by the Obama cool-aide drinkers.  Hmmmm, yet the left wants to call Conservatives and the prior administration fascists??  

"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 04:50:59 PM »
As a youngster Obama was brainwashed by his communist mother, grandparents, and some guy named Frank. Oboma believes much the same as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Rev Right and Luis Farrakhan that America is a bad, racist country; those people are filled with hate, bigotry and evil. Pelosi, Reid, Barney Skank and many Democrats are much the same as Obama. You can't debate ideologues! Much of the left is mentally impaired to the point that debate or discussion is useless and ineffective. Obama is an atheist too. Since God isn't in his life I believe he isn't governed by goodness, only selfishness, certainly not a Mother Theresa type of person. The left is atheist (void of God) and are governed by evil & selfish attitudes. I honestly can’t imagine a person living a Godly life thinking like a liberal. Of course my accusations make these crazy people go ballistic and become even more nuts! Don't fall for it when they come unglued over my description because that behavior comes right out of their play book; it's designed to take you off-guard, make you feel bad and stop you in your tracks. As you all can see the left takes up "causes" like Global Warming, homelessness, racism, etc but when you examine their real motives you see evil as the motivator not goodness. You only have to look at Al Gore to see my point. Of course liberals attack Christians and use Bible verses to claim Christians are the haters. But Christians know that there are a lot of people that call themselves Christian and give the religion a bad name. A true Christian takes up causes under Gods name; out of selflessness not selfishness. Whether it's redistribution of people’s hard earned monies or Socialism it becomes clear that liberal intentions are not out of goodness but to punish good people and their motivations are out of hatred. We can only blame ourselves for the predicament we are in right now.

When you really look at this country, and compare our people to other peoples and nations you can't help but see the good. At least healthy normal people see the good. This nation was founded out of Judeo/Christian values and as a Godly nation we have been blessed for over 200 years. Now as our nation has turned its back on God and we are paying a high price. Godly, good people have allowed liberalism to govern us and steer us away from God. Not wanting to be labeled racist, homophobes & intolerant, allowing white guilt to consume us evil has taken control of our nation, our people and our lives. We have screwed ourselves royally! I think we see it now and know we have messed up. It’s not too late though; absolutely not but we need to get back in Gods grace and do it quick! Every one of us should get down on our knees and get right with God. We desperately need to roll back this liberal evil that has consumed our people. We need to clear our minds and stop allowing these people to run our lives. We should do it now!

Note: A lot of good people have been duped by Obama & company. Not all liberals are evil but all are naïve, misguided and gullible.




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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 05:08:27 PM »
I'm thoroughly enjoying how messers Tee & Xo are completely unable to refute or defend the foundation of communism, or the Fascist nature this current administration is taking this country, or the hyperbolic unsustainable abyss-like debt he & congress are placing on this country and generations to come

Their silence is golden
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 04:20:34 PM »



« Last Edit: March 07, 2010, 04:23:54 PM by sirs »
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 06:39:01 PM »
This is simply pure crap. Kramer  and sirs inhabit a different universe, a Bizarro world.
NO sane humans take such crap seriously.

It is unnecessary to refute the street lunatics that Jeezus is not coming tomorrow,either.
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2010, 12:03:07 AM »
This is simply pure crap. Kramer  and sirs inhabit a different universe, a Bizarro world.
NO sane humans take such crap seriously.

It is unnecessary to refute the street lunatics that Jeezus is not coming tomorrow,either.

good verses evil -- you XO would be the evil

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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2010, 01:38:39 AM »
This is simply pure crap. Kramer  and sirs inhabit a different universe, a Bizarro world.  NO sane humans take such crap seriously.  It is unnecessary to refute the street lunatics that Jeezus is not coming tomorrow,either.

Yea, so much easier and intellectually lazy to just stick your head in the sand, vs refuting what's supposed to be so "obviously" flawed.  Again, your students must be so proud
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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2010, 10:23:53 AM »

good verses evil -- you XO would be the evil

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To be evil in the bizarro world of sirs  and Kramer is the same as to be good in the world of reality.

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Re: "Good vs Evil"
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2010, 11:46:04 AM »

good verses evil -- you XO would be the evil

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To be evil in the bizarro world of sirs  and Kramer is the same as to be good in the world of reality.



to deny that good and evil exits is living in bizarro world. Hitler = evil Mao = evil Stalin = evil slavery = evil murder = evil devil worship = evil obama agenda = evil