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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on July 07, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-says-us-sanctions-on-leader-a-declaration-of-war/ar-BBu4dkg?li=BBnb7Kz
China has to shield North Korea from consequences , else their constant state of war would not be supportable.
I imagine Chinas hierarchy considering Korea as an obligation , as an allay , as an embarrassment or even as a junkyard dog on a leash.
I do not imagine anyone on the outside of North Korea loosing any respect for the leadership of North Korea, not even in China.
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I don't see where this is anything new or different. China does not want a war, the US does not want a war, South Korea does not want a war. North Korea only wants to appear that it has gained something. The Kim regime may be thinking that turmoil in US politics has made the US weaker.
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Naaa...the Kim regime, sees the ongoing policies of the current administration, and hopeful of that continuation, with another 4 more years of it, as making the U.S weaker. And they'd be right
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They have not made the US weaker, you twit.
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One merely look at the current reality of our position with the world community...here's a hint, its been deteriorating for years.....which ironically has been consistent with the growth of ISIS. The Russian reset has been a disaster, or ties with one strong allies have been thinned, while we prop up regimes like Iran. We prick our enemies with drone strikes, and occasionally get lucky in taking out a higher commander, when we could be obliterating these terrorists....but that might "offend" some
And I won't even start on our own border security and compromised national security with the bone head policies of Obama and gross negligence of Clinton
In other words, our country hasn't been this weak, since the end of the Carter administration
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This country is weak only in the faulty image between your ears.
We have not "propped up" Iran. Iran doses not need to be propped up.
Fewer people sneak across the border now than during the Juniorbush years.
You like to make up shit, don't you?
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GDP is anemic, employment is stagnant, more people on welfare and food stamps, our borders are being flooded with illegal immigrants (you realize its not just Mexicans that cross).......nothing faulty...it's called reality
And yes, this "deal" America made with Iran, absolutely propped up their terrorist machinery financially. That's ALL on Obama & Clinton
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You are sooooooo fulla shit sirs.
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Once again, unable to refute the facts.....downgrade to name calling. Brilliant demonstration of leftist think
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Fewer people sneak across the border now than during the Juniorbush years.
Yes but the hiring was easier then.
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North Korea is not now a serious threat to the US and has not been one for decades. We have plenty of troops there to serve as a deterrent.
Every time Kim Jung Un makes a baseless threat, the ratbag right squeals about how weak we are. That is simply to push more weapons.
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Who said NK was currently some direct threat to the U.S.? :o Dr Deflection, strikes again
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North Korea is not now a serious threat to the US and has not been one for decades. We have plenty of troops there to serve as a deterrent.
Every time Kim Jung Un makes a baseless threat, the ratbag right squeals about how weak we are. That is simply to push more weapons.
North Korea was not a serious threat to the existence of the US when they were killing a thousand of us every week.
They don't have to be a threat of extinction to be worth some attention.
By the way , they are building more atomic bombs.
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Sirs posts the title "Looks like we are at war with North Korea again"
I point out that looks like nothing of the kind and sirs claims that I am deflecting.
Deflect yourself, sirs.
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Xo wrong again, since I didn't even start this thread. You really need to stop trying to use me as your go to inability to respond to the points being made ::)
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Who gives a shit?
We are not at war with North Korea, except for the technicality that we have never signed a treaty with them.
Technically, we have been at war with them since 1950, well sort of, since the US never declared war in the first place. The UN Police Action is still in force.
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The AMBE in question is your ongoing record of being wrong, and trying to use me as your go to crutch when trying to cover up how wrong you're caught in
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Sirs posts the title "Looks like we are at war with North Korea again"
That was me.
If not Kim, ...
Who said that we are at war again and pointing out all the wonderful new weapons of North Korea.
What is going on in North Korea is lots of preparation for the killing of their southern brothers, if South Korea ever looks vulnerable for a minute the North will pounce , as they have been busily crouching to do for the entirety of my lifespan.
And I am older than the leader of North Korea.
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South Korea and the US are installing an anti-missile defense system, and North Korea does not like it.
But we are not going to war with North Korea again.
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I think the anti missile system is a good idea even if it does lead to a North Korean attack.
This attack is just as likely without the additional defense.
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I agree that anti-missile defenses are an excellent idea for South Korea.
Kim knows that any major attack will be the end of him and his regime.
He might be able to cripple South Korea, but he would not survive any war that he mongered, nor could he have any chance of winning.
It is normal for North Korea to make threats. But every nation has a right to build defenses against attack: that is the DPRK's reasoning for building their nukes, after all.
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I agree that anti-missile defenses are an excellent idea for South Korea.
Kim knows that any major attack will be the end of him and his regime.
He might be able to cripple South Korea, but he would not survive any war that he mongered, nor could he have any chance of winning.
It is normal for North Korea to make threats. But every nation has a right to build defenses against attack: that is the DPRK's reasoning for building their nukes, after all.
All true and the North Korean regime knows it.
This has not made them really peaceful, they have done many provocative stunts.
Another thing they know is that we will put up with a lot of provocation without retaliating .
So they act irritated at everything , we can't roll over in bed without provoking them.
They need a justification for all the privation their people put up with.
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I think that they believe that their people are just loyal and patriotic citizens. They think it is justifiable to incarcerate up to three generations of "rotten apples" to prevent dissent from spreading. Most of the people and leaders of the DPRK seem to believe their own bullshit. Surely there are people in the bureaucracy that understand that it is bullshit,but they dare not say so publicly, just as it is rare for a someone attending a fundamentalist church to say they think the preacher's sermon was bullshit. I was forced to hear enough bullshit from preachers at my college to be aware that bullshit and ignorance of the Bible is often more the rule than the exception.
Still I never said anything, even the very worst thing they could do was take my job away from me. I just did not see any reason to dissent. What would it have accomplished? In the DPRK everyone knows that they can send you and your parents and grandparents off to a forced labor camp. That is a serious disincentive to speak freely.
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I agree , except on the bible part.
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There are surely some preachers who have actually read the whole Bible and understood it.
There were few, is any, that fit the description among the White Southern Baptists I heard preach at William Jewell College, and fewer still among the Black Baptists I had to listen to at the college where I taught.
The silliest bit is where they claim that the Old Testament dietary and other laws can be thrown out, because Jesus said so, when in fact he said that he did not want a "jot or a tittle" to be ignored, and of course that all the prophesies of the OT, on the other hand were still seriously important. Nomatter that they did not fit. Bo matter that the Messiah was not supposed to be an actual deity, but a kickass leader (More of a Shimon Bar Kochkba, actually).
Essentially Paul said to throw out the parts that are convenient so I can convert bazillions of pagans ( who like to eat pigs and clams and do not want to be circumcised) and keep all the stuff about the coming Messiah and how he would be known by his virgin birth and let's ignore about how he is to be named Emmanuel. well, just because it does not fit. Paul could change his own name, but calling Jesus Emmanuel Christ was just too much.
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There are surely some preachers who have actually read the whole Bible and understood it.
No.
Not even one.
If a preacher ever maintained to me that he entirely understood the entire Bible , I would discount the claim and reduce my esteem for him greatly.
Have you really seen this claim made ?
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Much of the Bible is simply claptrap that was made to sound mystical. I think there is at least a theory of what every verse was supposed to mean.
It is largely based on nonsense. It is utter nonsense that people today should be held accountable for any original sin committed by Adam and Eve.
The entire idea of original sin is absurd, and the bit about the talking snake is ridiculous.
But I was referring to preachers who not only did not understand common stuff, but MISQUOTED it and then misinterpreted what the Bible did not say in the first place.
I cannot recall specific examples now from a Preach-A-Thon that a fundamentalist colleague who thought that the college should produce more televangelists back in the 1980's, but there were some real doozies. I don't anyone was actually harmed by these silly preachers, but there was some really creative misinterpretations.
The affair lasted for SIX HOURS without a break, during a Donation Day week, but my bladder saved me. I was about to explode and after I had drained the lizard, I observed that there was an exit door near the door to the bathroom, and I fled.
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I recall president Clinton quoting Jesus on the occasion of the signing of a new Palestinian and Israeli treaty.
"Blessed are the peacemakers"
He got it wrong , I was face to palm.
Biblical knowledge is actually spread pretty thin these days.
And the scriptures are dense with information that must be blessed to unpack. Gods ownership and control of scripture extends to opening for you what you need at the time that you need it.
I have had that experience , and have heard of it so often that it seems an ordinary miracle.
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That made no sense at all to me.
I am all for peacemakers. I am even for blessing them.
If the God were really the inspiration for the Bible, it would be more intelligible.
If Apple's manuals were written as poorly as the Bible, the company would have failed decades ago.
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That made no sense at all to me.
Naturally.I am all for peacemakers. I am even for blessing them.
If the God were really the inspiration for the Bible, it would be more intelligible.
If Apple's manuals were written as poorly as the Bible, the company would have failed decades ago.
Don't think Apple, think CIA.
The better you communicate with your own the better, the less everyone elese understands your message the better.
Not only did Clinton get the "peacemakers " quote quite wrong , he didn't really get called on it.
I guess that is natural, you do not make a Christian of someone by pointing out the frailty of their pretentions.
And the improved peace has been nice , quote or no.
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If the God were really the inspiration for the Bible, it would be more intelligible.
Perhaps she could explain more to you?
http://www.christianpost.com/news/bible-is-biggest-influence-on-my-thinking-says-hillary-clinton-121541/
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I really doubt it.
The Greatest Story I was ever told was One Hundred Years of Solitude, bu Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
The Second Greatest was Catch-22, by Joseph Heller
The Third Greatest was also not the Bible.
Hillary is welcome to her opinion, and so are you.
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Do you think that is Hillary's real opinion?
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I think that all politicians lie about their religious beliefs because unless they do, they would not be elected. If they were really so stupid to believe all the standard Christian mythology, they would be too stupid to govern. A lot of people realize that the mythology is crap, but simply choose not to think about it with any degree of rational thought at all. Many people are brainwashed so very effectively as children they are incapable of entertaining the total improbability of the mythology.
I don't think that Hillary or Trump would make decisions based on what they learned in Vacation Bible School.
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I don't think that Hillary or Trump would make decisions based on what they learned in Vacation Bible School.
This is more like what I think of them both.
Hillary is willing to say that her prime guidance is the Bible , this does not make me think her smart , it makes me incredulous.
Trump is not as artful, but the pretense is the same with less paint.
It is the word of Jesus that we will know trees by their fruits.
Trump has borne sharp dealings and barely legal aggrandizement.
Hillary has steamrollered her enemies and browbeat her teammates, and engages in extralegal procedures to make her movements mysterious to the American people.
Oh yes , and also barely legal aggrandizement.
It is very hard to find a way that Trump is bad , but that Hillary is not worse.
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Hillary is far more predictable than Trump. She would continue along the same path as Obama.
No one has the foggiest idea of what Trump would do. Everyone knows that he cannot bring back assembly line jobs again. Any jobs that do return from China would return with robots doing most of the labor.
Last night (Tuesday the 19th) they were supposed to talk about "Making America work again" They deeply craved to dump on Obama ruining the economy, which is a bit hard to do, being as when he took office on Jan 20, 2009 the DJIA, S&P 500 and NASDAQ were 1440,804, and 7949, and at yesterday's closing the same were 18600, 2173 and 5085, respectively. Numbers do not lie.
The problem is that nearly all the increase has gone to guys like The Donald, who prefer to manufacture their $50 neckties in China and make an extra 60ยข apiece on them. Trump lies, he knows he is lying, but as Goebbels stated, the Big Lie repeated often enough will always get some believers, It is the terminally stupid and ignorant who believe him after he tells the same lies a dozen times.
That sorta makes it very difficult to declare, as Trump does, that the country is worse off than it was when Juniorbush left. Because in most ways, it isn't.
Even the far right says that the murder rate is down. Americans are safer than they were during the Bush years.
Trump has no plan. The man who actually wrote "The Art of the Deal" said it quite well when he said that Trump has the attention span of a gnat. he is not capable of writing his own book. He is not capable of having a plan. He is not wise enough to distinguish between a person who has a workable plan and one who has an unworkable plan. And the traditional GOP belief that lowering taxes will always raise revenues has been proven false.
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Hillary is far more predictable than Trump. She would continue along the same path as Obama.
...and a far more incompotent version at that. Thank you for the reminder as to why Trump is more likely to win now
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Hillary is far more predictable than Trump. She would continue along the same path as Obama.
Thank you, I could not have written a better reason for voting for Trump if I took all day.
So Hillary deserves the votes of all of the people who are paying less for medical care than seven years ago. Not the vote of all those who are paying a lot more for lesser coverage.
Hillary deserves the votes of everyone who has had better than average raises over the last seven years , but not the votes of anyone that spent more time unemployed than employed these years.
Hillary deserves the votes of everyone who thinks that race relations over the last seven years have significantly improved, but not the votes of anyone who has been watching the news .
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BINGO!!