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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2007, 12:20:08 AM »
Well, Mexico might want it but why would the majority of Americans? It would have to be a massive SELL JOB.
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2007, 12:40:32 AM »
Perhaps not.

How would you like to telecommute from Acapulco?

If the political stability were there and the legal system there and the necessary infrastructure, would you consider working from your own villa on the beacht?


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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2007, 12:47:08 AM »
How would you like to telecommute from Acapulco?

There are already parts of Mexico where English is the defacto language because of all the American immigrants.
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2007, 01:23:28 AM »
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There are already parts of Mexico where English is the defacto language because of all the American immigrants.

Yeah but Mexico has these onerous immigration laws where you are required to have a usable skill or be self supporting with a proven income or pension.

It is so unfair.

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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2007, 01:47:08 AM »
Well, Mexico might want it but why would the majority of Americans? It would have to be a massive SELL JOB.


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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2007, 03:55:26 AM »

The problem with your scenario of crossing state borders vs national borders is that the states have reciprocity and uniform laws.

That is not the case with Mexico and the US.


Uniform laws? Like, drug laws? No, that can't be it. Pornography laws? No, that can't be it. Gambling... no, no, that's not it either. Sex offender laws? No, not that either. Taxes, taxes must be... no, wait, that's not it either. No, don't tell me, I'll figure it out... (For those keep score at home, that was sarcasm.)
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2007, 03:58:35 AM »

The several States of the United States have given up soverenty to the Federal government .


Izzat so? Anyway, what makes you think open borders would result in the U.S. loosing sovereignty? Who, exactly, would overrun our government if we had open borders?
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2007, 09:39:27 AM »
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Uniform laws? Like, drug laws? No, that can't be it. Pornography laws? No, that can't be it. Gambling... no, no, that's not it either. Sex offender laws? No, not that either. Taxes, taxes must be... no, wait, that's not it either. No, don't tell me, I'll figure it out... (For those keep score at home, that was sarcasm.)

It's called the constitution. And for those keeping score at home, that wasn't sarcasm.


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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2007, 12:29:55 PM »
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There are already parts of Mexico where English is the defacto language because of all the American immigrants.

Yeah but Mexico has these onerous immigration laws where you are required to have a usable skill or be self supporting with a proven income or pension.

It is so unfair.

Many nations are like this. I looked in to emigrating to New Zealand and Australia. The skinny of it is that you'd better have a good skill or it is almost impossible. It is because they do not want you to come overthere and "mooch" off them. And, there are age limits for the same reason, according to their Immigration Service. Pretty smart, wouldn't you say?
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2007, 12:39:55 PM »

It's called the constitution. And for those keeping score at home, that wasn't sarcasm.


I'm sure it wasn't. But it also wasn't supporting your assertion of uniformity of laws. I used to live in Louisiana, where the state legislature routinely wrote exclusions for the city of New Orleans into state laws. Look at Nevada, the only state that allows brothels to operate legally. We don't have uniformity of laws between states or between cities even. The laws and the cultures can vary widely from one state to another. Even federal law is being challenged. (A handful or so of states are trying to keep state law allowed medical marijuana clinics open even though the feds keep raiding the clinics in the name of the "war on drugs".) And many people within the U.S. travel to other states specifically to visit those other places and cultures. And in some cases, those differences in laws can make a big difference in job opportunities for individuals. And I've even heard that some folks, citizens mind you, occasionally move from one state to another based on things like which state has better welfare programs. So if you want to argue that open borders is okay between U.S. states but not between the U.S. and Mexico, you're going to have to try harder.
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2007, 12:44:55 PM »

It is because they do not want you to come overthere and "mooch" off them.


Of course, if they didn't have programs for people to mooch off of in the first place, they wouldn't need those restrictions, now would they?


Pretty smart, wouldn't you say?


No. I'd say it shows their priorities are misaligned.
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2007, 12:46:23 PM »
<<Dear Lord! The sad part is that you actually believe that is what class struggle is about, don't you? See, this is why you [sirs]  need to read Marx before you go out and start making comments like that. Sirs, you obviously have no idea what class is, let alone any concept of class struggle.>>

That was the funniest part of the whole thread.  The concept of sirs sitting down to a steaming mug of coffee with a big fat copy of Das Kapital in front of him on the kitchen table, struggling through page after page of Marx' turgid prose, turning purple, sputtering and foaming at the mouth as he goes.   Better loop a few strings of garlic round your neck before you start, sirs.

In terms of union with Canada, you've already got the union that BT is talking about.  Virtually open borders, ownership of most of our industry, commerce and finance, total and complete cultural domination (except for Quebec) and now with our Conservative Prime Minister, complete subservience in foreign policy.  Harper is the bozo that (in opposition) criticized the Liberal government for not sending troops to Iraq.  But that's as close as you want to get.  What you don't want is a bunch of Canadians voting in your Federal elections - -  you'd go from red to blue in a New York minute.

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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2007, 12:47:07 PM »

It is because they do not want you to come overthere and "mooch" off them.


Of course, if they didn't have programs for people to mooch off of in the first place, they wouldn't need those restrictions, now would they?


Pretty smart, wouldn't you say?


No. I'd say it shows their priorities are misaligned.
How so?
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2007, 12:49:33 PM »
<<Dear Lord! The sad part is that you actually believe that is what class struggle is about, don't you? See, this is why you [sirs]  need to read Marx before you go out and start making comments like that. Sirs, you obviously have no idea what class is, let alone any concept of class struggle.>>

That was the funniest part of the whole thread.  The concept of sirs sitting down to a steaming mug of coffee with a big fat copy of Das Kapital in front of him on the kitchen table, struggling through page after page of Marx' turgid prose, turning purple, sputtering and foaming at the mouth as he goes.   Better loop a few strings of garlic round your neck before you start, sirs.

In terms of union with Canada, you've already got the union that BT is talking about.  Virtually open borders, ownership of most of our industry, commerce and finance, total and complete cultural domination (except for Quebec) and now with our Conservative Prime Minister, complete subservience in foreign policy.  Harper is the bozo that (in opposition) criticized the Liberal government for not sending troops to Iraq.  But that's as close as you want to get.  What you don't want is a bunch of Canadians voting in your Federal elections - -  you'd go from red to blue in a New York minute.

Well, if we that merged, then I want those cool RCMP unifroms to repalce our boring looking ones. Brendan Frasier can be the poster child.
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Re: If You Were a Terrorist, How Would You Attack?
« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2007, 12:53:51 PM »
<<Well, if we that merged, thne I want those cool RCMP unifroms to repalce our boring looking ones. Brendan Frasier can be the psoter child.>>

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