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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on March 30, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
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Here in CA, the Dems controlling the state, in an effort to protect the enormous pensions and salaries bestowed upon the state and union workers, paid for with tax dollars, will have to try and convince the electorate to increase taxes in Nov vs merely extending them in June
Good luck with that
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pretty sure increase taxes will mean more businesses leaving . I don`t recall for several years the state pointing out why businesses should stay.
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pretty sure increase taxes will mean more businesses leaving .
Yep
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pretty sure increase taxes will mean more businesses leaving .
who the Taxocrats gonna tax when they run companies off?
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Many companies cannot leave. because they must provide services in the area.
You cannot outsource dentists, home air conditioner installers, carpet stores, restaurants and many other companies.
They will stay and they will get taxed.
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Many companies cannot leave. because they must provide services in the area.
You cannot outsource dentists, home air conditioner installers, carpet stores, restaurants and many other companies.
They will stay and they will get taxed.
your mother bore a moron
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You cannot outsource dentists, home air conditioner installers, carpet stores, restaurants and many other companies.
They will stay and they will get taxed.
maybe not
it really depends if the tax is workable. my town has alot of taxes and now alot of empty buildings.
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but now is trying to fill those building
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/City-Looking-at-Twitter-Tax-Breaks-for-All-118924574.html (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/City-Looking-at-Twitter-Tax-Breaks-for-All-118924574.html)
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Many companies cannot leave. because they must provide services in the area....They will stay and they will get taxed.
Boy, doesn't that sum things up nicely. You could almost sense the boot coming down
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dentists, home air conditioner installers, carpet stores, and restaurants can not
even begin to contribute enough to maintain the suction of taxes the cali gvt needs
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Companies Fleeing California
For Utah Over Confiscatory Tax Rate
By Warner Todd Huston - Aug 25th, 2010 .
(Warner Todd Huston/The Union Label) - Computer software giant Adobe, computer game monster EA Games,
and Internet auction king ebay are abandoning California to set up shop in Utah. Why? California's horrid
business climate and high taxes.
Adobe Systems, maker of a suite of graphics programs such as Adobe PDF, Illustrator, Photoshop, and InDesign,
have announced that they are building a $100 million facility in either Salt Lake City or in nearby Utah County,
Utah. The facility will bring thousands of jobs to Utah over the next few decades.
In May the Internet auction company ebay also announced a major new facility to be built in Salt Lake City.
The $287 million data center will also bring hundreds of new jobs to the Bee Hive State.
Not to be forgotten, games maker Electronic Arts opened its new facility in July in Salt Lake City where around
100 employees are already at work.
These companies fleeing California's horrid business climate are not alone. There has been a steady flow
of businesses out of California for the better part of a decade. As California's political morass worsens, as its budget
woes increase, and as her politicians are proven incapable of making the hard budgetary decisions to take power
from unions and chop unnecessarily lavish social programs, the state's jobs are bleeding out. California is
an a freefall the end of which is still unseen.
Here is a partial list of the large and medium-sized companies that have either moved parts of their business
or have left the "land of milk and honey" for brighter prospects altogether:
Abraxis Health, Adobr Systems, Inc. Alza Corp., American AVK, American Racing, Apple Computer Audix Corporation,
Apria Healthcare Group, Assurant Inc., Barefoot Motors Bazz Houston Co., Beckman Coulter, Bild Industries Inc.,
Bill Miller Engineering, Ltd. BMC Select , BPI Labs, Buck Knives, CalPortland Cement California Casualty Group,
CalStar Products Inc., Checks To-Go, Chivaroli & Associates CoreSite, A Carlyle Company, Creel Printing ,
Dassault Falcon DaVita Inc. , Denny's Corp., Digital Domain, Ditech DuPont Fabros Technology, ebay, Inc.,
EDMO Distributors, Inc. Edwards Lifesciences, Electronic Arts, Inc., EMRISE Corp., Facebook FallLine Corporation,
Fidelity National Financial, First American Corp., Fluor Corp. Foxconn Electronics, Fuel System Solutions,
Gregg Industries, Hewlett-Packard Hilton Hotels Corp., Hino Motor Manufacturing USA, Intel Corporation,
Intuit of Mountain View J.C. Penney , Kimmie Candy Co., Klaussner Home Furnishings,
Knight Protective Industries Kulicke & Soffa Industries Inc., LCF Enterprises, Lennox Hearth Products Inc.,
Lyn-Tron, Inc. Mariah Power, Maxwell America, Miasol, MotorVac Technologies Nissan North America,
Northrop Grumman, One2Believe, Patmont Motor Werks, Inc. Paragon Relocation Resources, Pixel Magic,
Plastic Model Engineering, Inc. Precor, Premier Inc., Pro Cal of South Gate, Race Track Chaplaincy of Amer.,
Red Truck Fire & Safety Co. SAIC, Scale Computing, Schott Solar Inc., SimpleTech Smiley Industries, Solaicx,
SolarWorld, Special Devices Inc. StarKist , Stasis Engineering, Stata Corp., Tapmatic Teledesic,
Telmar Network Technology Inc., Terremark, Terumo Cardiovascular Systems Toyota, True Games Interactive Inc.,
TTM Technologies, Understand.com US Press shifted, USAA Insurance, Yahoo. And many more
It should be noted that Utah is a right-to-work state.
http://nevadanewsandviews.com/2010/08/25/companies-fleeing-california-for-utah-over-confiscatory-tax-rate/ (http://nevadanewsandviews.com/2010/08/25/companies-fleeing-california-for-utah-over-confiscatory-tax-rate/)
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safeway made millions in san francisco, but is totally willing to leave because of the extra amount of work to do business here. 2 stores already closed. we got quite afew empty super market buildings.
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safeway made millions in san francisco, but is totally willing to leave because of the extra amount of work to do business here. 2 stores already closed. we got quite afew empty super market buildings.
safeway is a evil corporation
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that`s one of the reasons why thier leaving ,businesses tend to get tired of hearing that and the thrifty`s incident in the haight makes thing very edgy here.
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the walgreen incident in the haight makes thing very edgy here.
what happened there Kimba?
btw...I have a brother that lives in Orinda and works in Walnut Creek
i really enjoy visiting him...he is a great tour guide and San Fran is such a neat place
had some wonderful dinners including one at the Cliff House...which is touristy but still pretty neat
only problem is that brother is the black sheep of the family...he is a liberal....but a fine one at that
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dentists, home air conditioner installers, carpet stores, and restaurants can not
even begin to contribute enough to maintain the suction of taxes the cali gvt needs
In Xo's perfect world, we just tax them more. They haven't paid their fair share now, have they
193 Businesses Leave California in 2010: 4X Previous Year
(http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/12/193-businesses-leave-california-in-2010-4x-previous-year/)
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in the 80`s a thrifty`s got built and sombody torched it before it opened and ever since no lrge business has opened till this year in the haight
http://www.artagnos.com/mayor/arsonists.html (http://www.artagnos.com/mayor/arsonists.html)
cliffhouse is nice it showed sutrobaths remains and the great highway (really lame name for a beach)
go to fishermans wharf and look for the musee machanique(spelling) it has a colection of old time arcades machines(alot of fun)
if anybody got achance goto chinatown`s capital restaurant for the chicken wings & goldengate bakery-egg custard
both supergood
northbeach has a bakery called victorias has this cake that frosting taste like chocolate muose.
the picture says it`s called a chocolate truffle cake- it`s a speacial order but worth it
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here`s another example of businesses should be weary of opening in san francisco
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-01-22/bay-area/17150306_1_kwon-north-beach-chamber-permit (http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-01-22/bay-area/17150306_1_kwon-north-beach-chamber-permit)
that neighborhood is also preventing this buildings from reopening, because they only want it to be open in it`s original form only.
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Kimba....even my liberal brother complains about how "anti-business"
the california authorities are....we are in the same kind of business and
he says he gets "hounded" much more than we do in Texas. After
being in business for himself now for a few years and seeing the
damage the bureaucrats do he has become a bit less liberal.
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I just made this new exppression about calif- I like the show but the bills gotta get paid
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I just learned how to use the modify button
walgrens is nowe thrifty`s and I added a link about the arson on reply #15
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That much have been a local buyout. Here in Miami Walgreens is all over the place.
We have no Thrifty's, CVS is the other large chain.
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I just got the names mixed, I think rite-aid bought out thrifty`s
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I just got the names mixed, I think rite-aid bought out thrifty`s
yup and you can still buy the thrifty ice cream too.
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Kimba....one thing I don't like about the Bay Area is the traffic
we were going into San Fran on a Sunday afternoon and it was bumper2bumper
i asked my brother....looks like there must be a bad accident?
he said...no....this is pretty typical....I said "on a sunday?"
everything else I love..the weather, the ocean, the parks, the food, the sites, the culture...
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I think it`s a smart business move to keep the ice cream parlor.
I notice those are popping up in my town. I think(hoping ) ice cream parlors are making a comeback.
if any of you folks ever get to the deyoung museum check out the tower it has a very impressive view of the park
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Wonder if these guys are still in business.
They were doing flame broiled before Burger King
Hayward Ca
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as long as it`s not in san francisco it has a chance. I notice long establish eateries tend to thrive outside of my town.
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I didn't say it was a perfect world. California is not any sort of perfect world, it is ungovernable.
I simply pointed out that many businesses could not leave, and those remaining businesses would be taxed.
It is a perfectly logical point.
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I didn't say it was a perfect world. California is not any sort of perfect world, it is ungovernable.
I simply pointed out that many businesses could not leave, and those remaining businesses would be taxed.
It is a perfectly logical point.
maybe you should have stated it that way in the first place and there would not have been so much confusion. boy, for a teacher you suck!
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California is not any sort of perfect world, it is ungovernable.
And guess which party has been running it into that ungovernable state?
I simply pointed out that many businesses could not leave, and those remaining businesses would be taxed.
Actually....it was far more authoritive vs your above matter-of-fact backpedal: Many companies cannot leave. because they must provide services in the area....They will stay and they will get taxed
And more importantly, FAR more businesses CAN leave, with many having already done so
It is a perfectly logical point.
And even more logical is Cu4's point, that a state, the size and hunger for government dollars, as CA is, can't survive on the mere taxes of dentists, home air conditioner installers, carpet stores, & restaurants
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Dentists can move , all they need to find is a place where good wallets are connected to bad teeth, this is most of the world.
If some businesses leave they don't just vanish , they usually land somewhere elese where they find better conditions, then the service industrys that serve their employees can follow them.
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California has a long way to go before all, or even most, of its businesses move away. It is far from being the poorest state.
It is hardly totally ungovernable, but it probably is close to impossible for any governor of California to end his term and to be considered a success by a majority of the people.
Gray Davis was unsuccessful, Arnold was unsuccessful, we shall see how well Jerry Brown does.
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I have high hopes for Jerry Brown, not that liberalism like his will help , but that he can govern with a no nonsense attitude , which is better than conservatism or liberalism in their purest forms.
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isn`t the question ,why would the dentist stay if the moneys better off state. not saying it is but some states as a selling point thier not like california moneywise.
I think utah did.
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Oh yes ,even the carpet layers will leave if they hear about a lot of better pay somewhere that they can go.
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I`ll use my town as an example AGAIN , the northbeach area is so difficult to run a business it has no hardware store and the neighborhood seriously wants one. but no one wants to risk opening a store there.
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I`ll use my town as an example AGAIN , the northbeach area is so difficult to run a business it has no hardware store and the neighborhood seriously wants one. but no one wants to risk opening a store there.
I see the process of Darwinian selection happening!
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California has a long way to go before all, or even most, of its businesses move away.
Strawman alert, as this isn't an all or nothing arguement. There will always be "some" business in any state. The issue is that they can, and HAVE moved out in droves.
It is far from being the poorest state.
Being unable to pay the bills at the end of the month, is being unable to pay the bills. It has nothing to do with how much money you take in, when more of it goes out
It is hardly totally ungovernable, but it probably is close to impossible for any governor of California to end his term and to be considered a success by a majority of the people.
Another nice strawman, when its largely the legislature that has put this state in the financial straightjacket, it currently finds itself. Though has been substantially worsened by Brown's 1st accomplishment of putting teeth into Government Unions, in his 1st tenure, and Davis' putting the taxpayer's cherry on top of their pensions
Gray Davis was unsuccessful, Arnold was unsuccessful, we shall see how well Jerry Brown does.
Despite the being the "no-nonsense" fella, his umbilical connection at doing the Union's business has demonstrably been shown, in spades
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remember that pic I post on reply#16
http://sf.curbed.com/tags/telegraph-hill-dwellers (http://sf.curbed.com/tags/telegraph-hill-dwellers)
telegraph hill dwellers are also try to make all building in sf historical landmarks so no houses get remodeled.
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California budget negotiations off? Were they ever on?
March 30th, 2011
by Mark Landsbaum
Gov. Jerry Brown has ended his negotiations with legislative Republicans complaining that they have ever-changing demands and refuse to put his tax increases on the ballot.
What?s the upshot? Probably not much, although we?re pleased to see the GOP hold firm opposed to putting tax increases, extensions or whatever the governor chooses to call them on the ballot a third year in a row.
We suspect this may kill any chance for a June special election, when the tax-and-spenders could claim they are merely ?extending? 2009′s ?temporary? taxes by asking voters to approve them. Now, if the unions or other tax-and-spend advocates get any tax measure on a November ballot, there can be no pretense that it will be merely an extension of taxes already on the books. Those taxes expire in June.
Any tax measure in November will clearly be new, higher taxes. We?re even more confident that voters will shoot those down, as they did in 2009 and 2010.
Will the tax-and-spend crowd ever learn this lesson? Silly question. Of course not. Taxes are the mother?s milk of the entitlement-minded. How else can they give themselves raises or new jobs or more control of, well, of just about everything.
There always is the possibility that tax-and-spend Democrats in the Legislature will shove through an extra-legal simple majority-approved ballot measure for June with just Democratic votes. If it happens, we hope the courts recognize that for the blatant circumvention of California?s constitutional requirement that the Legislature needs two-thirds approval for such stuff.
Article (http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/03/30/california-budget-negotiations-off-were-they-ever-on/43201/)