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Re: Why?
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2011, 06:29:07 PM »
People who own businesses are in a rather small minority, and are not more qualified than anyone else to know how to run a country.

If the economy recovers, then Obama gets reelected. If it sort of recovers, the Republicans will still need a candidate better than what seems apparent now, and a message other than "No". If they do not manage to do something useful in Congress (and eliminating health care is hardly going to be seen as useful), they are unlikely to get anyone elected.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2011, 06:36:49 PM »
sorry guys....this is all making me dizzy!
but i think it boils down to a basic distrust of Obama
we think Obama would mandate limited profits/limited incomes if he could
so when Obama makes the kind of statement he made it worries us
yes it could be an innocent JFK/Reagan statement, but our gut says no
we think he is anti-free-market
we think he is anti-business
we think he thinks business and corporations make too much money
we think he is basically clueless about business and only knows things he read in books
so again....there is a deep distrust on what his motives are when he makes these statements


One would think that a man who is in the midst of moving to the middle as he launches his 2012 campaign wouldn't make a statement that would be so anti-business. I mean we had a long thread right after Tucson about this lurch towards electability.

But now it appears he is up to his old leftist ways at least for today.


You're catching on.  Albeit, slowly
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Re: Why?
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2011, 07:04:47 PM »
You're catching on. 

dont drop the bomb....work on it
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Re: Why?
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2011, 08:02:43 PM »
 ???
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Re: Why?
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2011, 08:12:21 PM »
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You're catching on.  Albeit, slowly

Yeah your fears are mistaken for reality.


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Re: Why?
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2011, 08:13:46 PM »
Umm....yea, that has to be it      ::)    Your hyperbolic use of the term fear, is duely noted
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Re: Why?
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2011, 08:21:12 PM »
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Your hyperbolic use of the term fear, is duely noted

nothing hyperbolic about the term. And note away.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »
Everything is hyperbolic in your use of it.  Sadly it seems to have become part of your SOP, in many of your reponses to mine.  Best stop, since you're continuing to demonstrate some need not to discuss the point of this thread, when responding to me.  The bordeom meter is obviously hitting red by now
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Re: Why?
« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2011, 08:37:42 PM »
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Everything is hyperbolic in your use of it.

Nonsense.

Read CU's post. He gave a litany of reasons to fear Obama's use of "have to"

Meanwhile as Obama scares with the "have to's" he repeals the burdensome 1099 provisions so some folks can buy and sell gold in private. Looks like he is zig zagging his way to 2012




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Re: Why?
« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2011, 08:45:13 PM »
Yes, I too would encourage you to read C's post.  I'd endeavor to point out how criticisms somehow get translated to irrational fears, as you appear to be applying to C & myself.

How do you fear something currently not possible

And since this is dragging us even further away from the point of the thread, try answering it in the thread about to be started.  Minus the mispresentations and hyperbole, if possible
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Re: Why?
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2011, 09:04:56 PM »
Yes, I too would encourage you to read C's post.  I'd endeavor to point out how criticisms somehow get translated to irrational fears, as you appear to be applying to C & myself.

How do you fear something currently not possible

And since this is dragging us even further away from the point of the thread, try answering it in the thread about to be started.  Minus the mispresentations and hyperbole, if possible

Why would you label the fears irrational. I never gave them an attribute.

And you can fear the potential of something that is not currently possible. Because the only thing constant is change.

Remember the Icarus fable. And the fear of falling out of the sky.

Guess what. It's possible now.


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Re: Why?
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2011, 09:24:14 PM »
BT...to your earlier post....I dont think Obama is equipped to really move to the middle
in any meaningful way like say a Bill Clinton did...do you? Bill Clinton was less of an
ideologue.....one area Obama could be considered "middle" is the way he continues
to wage the War On Terror....that he calls something else now
Obama is firing a ton more Predator missles at the  IslamoNazis than Bush did.
Obama has kept Gitmo open
Obama increased troop levels in the Afghan theater, & Obama has not "pulled out" of Iraq.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2011, 09:39:43 PM »
Obama doesn't really have to move to the middle. The people just need to think he has. Thats why bringing in a guy like Bill Daley to shape the message that Obama is not anti-business was an important move.

Regulatory back door approaches to socialism will be halted dead in their tracks, by both the Chief of Staff and the newly empowered oversight friendly GOP Congress. So selling the perception that Obama has moderated is not going to be that hard especially to folks with short term memories.