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New Kent State evidence
« on: May 02, 2007, 10:21:52 AM »
 Kent State tape: 'Get set! Point! Fire!'
POSTED: 1214 GMT (2014 HKT), May 2, 2007
Story Highlights
• Guardsman who was there and fired says he heard no order to shoot
• Survivor says a military order to fire on demonstrators can be heard on audiotape
• Recording found in Yale University archive
• Four students killed by National Guard during 1970 Vietnam War protest
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CLEVELAND, Ohio (AP) -- A static-filled recording of the 1970 Kent State University shooting that killed four students raises questions not only about whether someone called on National Guardsmen to fire, but also who might have given the order.

The tape was released Tuesday by Alan Canfora, 58, one of nine students wounded in the 1970 shootings.

He played two versions of the tape -- the original and an amplified version -- in which he says a Guard officer issues the command, "Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!" (Watch scenes from the shooting and hear the tape Video)

Background noise on the recording made it difficult to understand as it was played for students and reporters in a campus theater Tuesday. The word "point" is clear, followed by the sound of shots being fired. There is no indication on the tape of who said the word.

The tape was given to Yale in 1979 for its Kent State archives by an attorney who represented students in a lawsuit filed against the state over the shooting. Canfora said he found out about it six months ago while researching the shooting.

Some said they wondered what would be achieved by releasing the tape so many years after the shootings.

"I think both sides were at fault," said Brett Wilson, 18, a Kent State student. He said students were trying to provoke the Guard and Guardsmen overreacted with deadly force.

But Canfora said he will turn over copies of the tape to federal and state officials with an appeal to reopen the investigation over how the firing began.

"We're hoping for new investigations and new truths," he said. "We need truth, we need healing."

He said voice analysis might help determine who was speaking on the tape.

"I think we'll know who gave that order," Canfora said.

After an initial investigation, the case was reopened in 1973 when a grand jury indicted eight Guardsmen. They were acquitted of federal civil rights charges the next year.

Larry Shafer, a former Guardsman who said he fired during the shootings and was among those charged, told the Kent-Ravenna Record-Courier newspaper on Tuesday that he was unaware of the tape and that "point" would not have been part of a proper command.

"I never heard any command to fire. That's all I can say on that," Shafer, a Ravenna city councilman and former fire chief, told the newspaper. "That's not to say there may not have been, but with all the racket and noise, I don't know how anyone could have heard anything that day."

The FBI, which investigated whether an order had been given to fire, said at the time it could only speculate. One theory was that a Guardsman panicked or fired intentionally at a student and that others fired when they heard the shot.

Canfora said the reel-to-reel audio recording was made by Terry Strubbe, a student who placed a microphone at a windowsill of his dormitory that overlooked the anti-war rally. Strubbe turned the tape over to the FBI, which kept a copy.

Stan Pottinger, who helped prosecute the Guardsmen in the early 1970s as an assistant attorney general with the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Justice Department, said Tuesday from New York that he doubts anything was overlooked then.

He said he could not specifically recall the Strubbe tape, but said audio recordings and film were carefully studied.

Pottinger said justice was served.

"The Guardsmen were acquitted, the case was closed, the families expressed enormous gratitude for the reopening of the case and that was it," he said.

Canfora said only a small portion of the tape was reviewed during various investigations.

Scott Wilson, a spokesman with the FBI in Cleveland, said Tuesday that he was unaware of any request to look into the matter. The Ohio National Guard had no comment on the tape's release, spokesman James Sims said Tuesday.

Strubbe, who still lives near Kent, keeps the original tape in a safe deposit box, said Canfora, who heads a nonprofit organization at Kent State that leads a candlelight vigil every May 4 to mark the anniversary of the shootings. Friday will mark the 37th anniversary.

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Re: New Kent State evidence
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 10:41:03 AM »
A very sad day.

I'm not really sure how "both sides were at fault." Especially considering that two of the dead were just walking to their next class. The campus was under martial law thanks to Governor Rhodes and his great belief in how evil the protesters were:

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What a grasp of both current events and American History that man had <sarcasm>
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Re: New Kent State evidence
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 03:30:27 PM »
JS, when I came to Ohio in the early 80s, a woman I worked with said, "The protestors had it coming to them." 

So I didn't ask about it anymore. 
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Re: New Kent State evidence
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 03:46:02 PM »
I'm not really sure how "both sides were at fault."

Probably because of the looting, arson, and rioting that preceeded the May 4th protest. Remember, the protesters had burned down the ROTC building and pelted the police and firefighters who responded to the blaze with rocks. There were a number of other incidents beginning May 1st, with storefronts being broken into and looting, bottles and other items being thrown at police, etc. These type of riots had gone on for three days, and officials were not in the mood for another one. Also, the shooting didn't happen right away - the police rode into the crowd with a borrowed Guard jeep and ordered the crowd to disperse or face being arrested and the crowd responded by pelting the jeep and police officers with rocks. It was not exactly a firing on a "peaceful crowd."
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Re: New Kent State evidence
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 04:00:14 PM »
I'm well aware of the riots preceeding the attacks.

The worst riot in terms of destruction was long over by the time of the attack and it was not overly reported that quite a few students volunteered to help clean up after the incident. Also, some of the looters and rioters were not students (on 1 May).

The ROTC building that was burned down (you neglect to mention this) was slated for demolition, abandoned, and boarded up. No, that doesn't make arson right, but it wasn't exactly a massive loss of important property. Plus, the arsonist was never identified and it was not known to be a student.

It was a difficult time, but then again should the campus have been placed under martial law? Yes, there may have been rocks thrown, but does that justify a shooting, one that murdered two people who weren't even part of the protest?

All in all the guard, the students, and the idiot Governor were lucky that some noble-minded professors were there that day (or maybe they were horrible liberals, who knows?). They prevented the students from launching an all out attack on the Guardsmen and making Kent State into an even more infamous incident than what it is now.
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Re: New Kent State evidence
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 04:49:55 PM »
It was a difficult time, but then again should the campus have been placed under martial law? Yes, there may have been rocks thrown, but does that justify a shooting, one that murdered two people who weren't even part of the protest?

And on the flip side, had they dispersed when ordered to by the police, there would have been no shootings, either.

The classic definition of "both sides being at fault."
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