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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on October 30, 2012, 06:17:36 PM
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Can't help but believe that I'm the source of H's frustration and level of fatigue. I realize I can be ... assertive in making a point, especially when the point is validated by the lack of responding.
Here's another sports analogy. If the dodgers and Giants are playing a series, and everytime they do one person just trashes the Dodgers, and says not a word about the Giants, it's a safe assumption they're a Giants fan. It may not be true, but its a safe assumption, until clarity is provided later on. If one is but a neutral bystander, one would expect to see some criticisms of both the Giants and the Dodgers. But when trashing the Dodgers, while going out of their way to defend all actions of the Giants.......well, to then claim how they're being erroneously portrayed as a Giants' fan is just so........you get my drift
Perhaps H just really hates Republicans that much, which is perfectly valid feeling to have. I'm pretty fed up with Republicans as well, cowtowing to the notion that it's ok to grow Government, just not as fast as perhaps Liberal Democrats would want. Bush II was a perfect example of this. If not for the tax cuts he got thru, that saved us from a massive economic collapse, and his leadership with the war on Islamic terrorists following 911, he really was not a good president, in so many ways. Far too much placating increased domestic spending, increasing the size and scope of Government, allowing Freddie & Fannie to get completely out of control when then did lead to the housing crash (though that was more a Congressional catastrophe vs Executive)
It's a disappointment fo see H leave, after providing some substantive fodder. Perhaps he found it increasingly too difficult to defend positions that were increasing indefensible...the Bushco lying us into war, the "non-political" move of the Seal Team 6 documentary, etc. It's easy to use folks like myself as making it just too much a strain to back up their positions. Nor does it help when Bt enables it, by focusing on terms like Bush vs Bushco or Partsian.
If you 2 find I'm too big a distraction for the saloon, just give me a heads-up, and I'll bow out without regret. Just don't belittle my contributions as being some form of "demands" or other irrelvent tangents. I've tried very hard to be fair, objective, and you'll note, rarely dropping to the level of just calling other people 3rd grade names.
Ball's in your court
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Rofl that didn't take long. I figured as much.
"...the "non-political" move of the Seal Team 6 documentary..."
I made 3 replies to the Seal Team Six thread, numbers 3, 4 and 7. In none of them did I say the date of release was non-political, nor did I even infer it. See what I mean about reading things that aren't there?
As far as the State Department security budget, maybe Sirs could look and see what those billions the State Department is sitting on is allocated for, what specific projects. I don't know, could be for projects at any of the embassies and consulates anywhere around the world that those funds are already pledged to, and re-allocating them from one project to another requires Congressional approval. I do get tired of doing all their research for them.
I'm not a Giants fan, nor a Dodgers fan. My intent was to put out the full story on some of the claims I'd seen, rather than the bits and pieces spun to favor one candidate or show the other in a bad light. There seems to be a distinct lack of that from anyone else in here.
Life isn't always black and white. There are all sorts of shades of gray in between. You would do well to remember that about politics, and political candidates, as well.
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Do as you please Sir!
But in my opinion that has got to be the most pathetic whingey-assed post i have read in the 10 long years this site has been open.
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"...the "non-political" move of the Seal Team 6 documentary..."
I made 3 replies to the Seal Team Six thread, numbers 3, 4 and 7. In none of them did I say the date of release was non-political, nor did I even infer it. See what I mean about reading things that aren't there?
See what I mean regarding the point of the move being political or not, as in claimed by those behind the film. You immediately referenced something that would indeed be political by portraying some Carter documentary. THAT WAS THE POINT, that the move of the Seal Team 6 to before the election, was indeed a political one. When that was highlighted as the point, that's when your responses disappeared, especially when trying to debunk the notion that the folks behind the move were claiming it wasn't political
If you agreed that the move was poltical, there was no need to even respond, outside of yes, it was
As far as the State Department security budget, maybe Sirs could look and see what those billions the State Department is sitting on is allocated for, what specific projects.
They were for Security and related needs, vs Chevy Volts. And even after the Volts were purchased, there was still billions the State Dept was sitting on. WHO DENIED THE REQUESTS FOR ADDED SECURITY?
I don't know, could be for projects at any of the embassies and consulates anywhere around the world that those funds are already pledged to, and re-allocating them from one project to another requires Congressional approval.
Not when it's already budgeted to the State Dept. It's there's to use as they see fit. And some Consulates are going to be a higher priority than others.....here's a hint, one in Libya is going to be a priority over one in Austria. Gads, this is a perfect example of trying to defend the indefensible
I'm not a Giants fan, nor a Dodgers fan. My intent was to put out the full story on some of the claims I'd seen, rather than the bits and pieces spun to favor one candidate or show the other in a bad light. There seems to be a distinct lack of that from anyone else in here.
And yet, you put forth story after story after story after story trashing "the Dodgers" while "defending the Giants". But nooooo, you're not a Giants fan. That's your defintion of being objective??
Life isn't always black and white. There are all sorts of shades of gray in between. You would do well to remember that about politics, and political candidates, as well.
I do, ALL THE TIME. You actually think I'm some Romney coolaide drinker? You think he's "my guy"? He just happens to be the only one that can currently beat the one fella taking this country down into a Greece-like abyss. Big difference, with a whole lots of gray, if you took the time to pay pay any attention
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But in my opinion that has got to be the most pathetic whingey-assed post i have read in the 10 long years this site has been open.
Oh boo whoo H is leaving AGAIN.
I've known lots of quitters that couldn't deal with others.
But if SIRS is apologetic (didnt need to be)....BT's calls him a whiner.
Hammer the guy the didnt call anyone a "nitwit, a dumbass, an absolute moron, a sorry ass".
Hammer the guy that welcomes others.
Hammer the guy that says "We will miss you.... Your contributions are indeed appreciated"
But say nothing to the guy calling people a dumbass and a sorry ass!
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Do as you please Sir!
But in my opinion that has got to be the most pathetic whingey-assed post i have read in the 10 long years this site has been open.
Well, I guess I got my answer. I appreciate the time I've enjoyed here, even as Bt moved towards the dark side. ;) I can actually pin-point exactly when that happened....the mosque debate. When many a saloon patron had to help enlighten a minority of others that, disagreeing with the location of an Islamic mosque, so close to thousands murdered in the name of that religion, was simply inappropriate, even offensive, but NEVER against the law or Constitution. Yet we were called bigots, Islamophobic, garbage like that. Ever since then, there's been some thread of contempt, that has managed to filter into so many subsequent criticisms of my postings. Occasionally they were valid, but the predominance was much like the criticism outlined here......referencing things someone supposedly meant to say vs what they actually said. and we won't even delve into the grossly oversteping of suspending me for no just cause, what-so-ever
It's been fun, and hopefully this departure will allow a more.......moderate viewpoint to enter the fray. Thanks Miss Kim, Miss De, Cu4, thanks Plane, thanks Xo, thanks RR, thanks BsB, thanks H, and thanks to so many others who have graced this saloon. I've had a great ride, and yes, thanks Bt for your tireless effort to keep things running here. That's been a fantastic achievement on your part. Perhaps I'll pull an H, and occasionally look in on things, but I can see my time has come to an end here...for now. Happy Halloween, and with God's blessings and the voice of the electorate, may the GOP be placed back in charge, and please get it right this time
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No, that's bull shit, Sirs. You stay right where you are! I've "known" you for 12 years and you have never said an unkind or insluting word to anybody. Humpy will be back. He was backed into a corner and now he's venting.
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No, that's bull shit, Sirs. You stay right where you are! I've "known" you for 12 years and you have never said an unkind or insluting word to anybody. Humpy will be back. He was backed into a corner and now he's venting.
No one is forcing Sirs to do anything he doesn't want to do. As Plane so succinctly said, this is a voluntary forum.
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Bye bye, and do let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
BSB
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Such a great role model
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SIRS I would hope you will reconsider.
Mirstn Kim will be mad as hell!
She reads this board.
What "H" thinks doesn't matter.
Hell that guy has spent nothing here in the last year or two.
As usual he comes in acting the miserable human being he is,
curses at people, tries to bully, then plays the victim, and runs home to Mommy.
It's election week, you deserve to be here no matter what BT and the others claim.
If however you do leave for more than just a break....I have sent you a PM with
my personal e-mail address. Shoot me an e-mail. Would love to stay in touch,
maybe meet you and buy you a Starbucks or Margarita one of these times I am out in Cali.
and I could holla at you if I find a more robust message board.
This is getting ridiculous if you are being called names by the
mioderator after such an honest and conscientiousness attempt to set the
record straight with your real true feelings.
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What name did i call sirs
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What name did i call sirs
It's easy to read between the lines. You demeaned his honest heart felt open to criticism post
with a mean spirited remark that had to cut him to the bone. It's hard to believe you would respond to such
a self-reflective open even self-blaming post with such a statement:
"the most pathetic whingey-assed post i have read in the 10 long years this site has been open"
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So i didn't call him a name.
What I thought.
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So i didn't call him a name.
no you acted below your standards and ripped a guy for no good reason
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Well whatever standards i am supposed to have, i still didn't call him a name.
You know it's kinda funny how conservatives howl when they are called racist for implementing a program like Voter ID because the opposition reads between the lines, yet here you are reading between the lines and making statements you can't back up.
And I think that is how we started the day. Funny how that worked out.
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BT you can get you jollies on meaningless
"gotcha games" about whether you called SIRS
a name or insulted him by your demeaning remark
about his post....it makes little difference.
bottonline is SIRS isn't dog-cussing anybody
like the ones you should be focused on
but you choose to attack him by attacking his post.
It speaks volumes!
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I quit giving a damn about name calling about 5 years ago. I am not a babysitter. If you don't like the way a poster addresses you, ignore them.
You know, BSB struck a chord with his who are these guys thread. While we are going rah rah hurrah for our side, we could be very well cheering on the last Republican elected in our lifetimes.
Because the minute Boehner sheds a tear, or McConnell compromises on a stringent budget, you will see a groundswell of support for a third party the likes of which will make 2010 look like a county fair.
People are fed up with a huge federal government and as the young mature and realize the burden put on them by preceding generations i think you are going to see some major changes in the works and the Establicans of which Romney et al are charter members will not know what hit them. And they will be the ones who bear the brunt of that anger because they are the ones who talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.
And that is far more important than a dustup in some obscure forum on the edge of the internet universe.
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While we are going rah rah hurrah for our side,
"we"?
but i do realize it was "rah rah rah" when Obama won 4 years ago
"ah lets give the guy a chance"
but if we win hell it should be doom and gloom from the get go
even before...a week out!
cancel the election night parties....thats just when the others guys win
straighten up, get rid of the smile, and cover that face in a frown!
we could be very well cheering on the last Republican elected in our lifetimes.
not yet but getting closer
the illegal invasion and welfare pimps pretty much assure that happens
take a close look at California
thats where we are headed
failure on a grand scale
when leeches fully realize they can vote in "free goodies"
and politcians are there to accomodate...
well thats when the writing is on the wall
look at much of Europe
"A democracy cannot survive as a permanent form of government. It can last only until its citizens discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority (who vote) will vote for those candidates promising the greatest benefits from the public purse, with the result that a democracy will always collapse from loose fiscal policies, always followed by a dictatorship" (Lord Thomas MacCauley 1857)
of course there will be pockets of sanity
that may last a few years or it may not
sanity will break-away from trillion dollars credit card insanity
break-away movements are happening all over the world
the truth can not be denied....it will happen here too
people think it would be an exact repeat of the Civil War
I seriously doubt it....not even close
our leaders were very different then
the Left wouldnt have the stomach for that kind of carnage
anymore than they have the stomach to win any war in recent times
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I quit giving a damn about name calling about 5 years ago. I am not a babysitter.
If you don't like the way a poster addresses you, ignore them.
Not a babysitter?
Ummm.....so why did you run Kramer off a lot less than five years ago?
Or are you a selective babysitter?
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Kramer is still a member. Last time he was active was April of this year.
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Sirs, you my dear LONG TIME FRIEND, are not a quitter. You are part of the fabric that makes this forum what it is. It is a place that friends and foes alike can practice freedoms and speak their minds. I may get frustrated at the partisan crap that is spilled in here but I have always appreciated the fierce debate. Never doubt that the logic you have displayed over the years has not been effective. If the left found your logic insane, incorrect, or just plain political, they would never engage with you.
So many good debators have come and gone because of hurt feelings. Do not give them that victory, please.
I wished I had more time to come and encourage but I can no longer get on during brand at work and my life is very busy after work. But never doubt that I peak in and read the amazing debate skills you and others display in here. I wished I had just a tenth of your ability to role them up. You are not a cookie cutter conservative and anyone trying to paint you as one is very misinformed. It drives them crazy, dear friend.
Debategate needs you. I can only imagine the "orgasmic" feelings that some are feeling with you leaving. Do not give them the victory.
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One more thing, Sirs. Xavier will have bested you if you leave. May it never be!
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kim "Sirs, you........................................, are not a quitter."
No, that's right, he's a moron.
BSB
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I quit giving a damn about name calling about 5 years ago.
I am not a babysitter.
If you don't like the way a poster addresses you, ignore them.
Kramer is still a member. Last time he was active was April of this year.
I thought you suspended Kramer because he hurt somebody's feelings?
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If memory serves he self deported. Either way his account is active.
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If memory serves he self deported.
sure looks like "selective baby-sitting" to me...
but it's your show BT
and except when your temper gets the best of you...
you do a good job
Kramer has been suspended for a week
on: November 07, 2011, 08:42:35 PM
Quote: For continuing to post insults of the type he has been warned against.
http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/kramer-has-been-suspended-for-a-week/ (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/kramer-has-been-suspended-for-a-week/)
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Well done.
His week would have been up on Nov 14, 2011 . His account was never changed.
So perhaps we are both right.
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Kim will kill me for this...but I miss Terra Gazelle...what a hoot she was.
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What the frell, Sirs? It's just not the same coming in here and not seeing your posts. BSB is going wild like the nut has won some sort of victory. A lot of people respect and admire your point of view, and I'm one of them.
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"Kim will kill me for this...but I miss Terra Gazelle...what a hoot she was."
You have a soft spot for witches and the liberals. I have always said this about you. :)
There have been a few left leaning individuals that you and I have not agreed upon.
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"Kim will kill me for this...but I miss Terra Gazelle...what a hoot she was."
You have a soft spot for witches and the liberals. I have always said this about you. :)
There have been a few left leaning individuals that you and I have not agreed upon.
Ha Ha....there is such a thing as a nice liberal!
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Excuse me, who was she nice to? Not me. (psst Christian, liberalism and politics do not equal nice. I have had my backside skinned far too many times to believe otherwise.)
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Excuse me, who was she nice to? Not me. (psst Christian, liberalism and politics do not equal nice. I have had my backside skinned far too many times to believe otherwise.)
I wasn't saying Terra was nice...she was more entertaining.
Her and XO shoulda hooked up.
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I agree with Sirs far to often to be impartial about this.
So credit me not as impartial, I am not.
I do not think that the Forum will be improved by having less Sirs.
But Sirs should examine the question of whether Sirs might be improved by having less Forum.
I am not proposing that Sirs get an award for deplomacy.
But the impulse to share onesself thousands of times is generosity. There are other things he could use the time for.
Lets appreaciate him as a poster , generous with his thoughts and tolerant of needleing.
If Sirs decides that a hiatus in posting is good for Sirs then I am for it.
For any other reason I would rather have more Sirs and better Sirs , not less.
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sirs needs some major improvement.
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sirs needs some major improvement.
If your best knowledge and experiences could be combined with Sirs best energy and thoroughness the worlds best blog poster would be the result.
It might unfortunately co produce the worlds worst blog flamer , crawling out the opposite side of the petri dish.
If you see his need for improvement most clearly , then you are the best able to set the example he should change twards.
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Sirs was no problem. My supposed anger with him was mainly in his own mind. I did get tired of him trying to play his little games, tying to twist what I said, things like that, but as far as really annoying me or making me angry, nah. Really, though, politics right now pretty much bores me. It has degraded to nothing more than a cat fight, with both sides doing nothing more than trying to one up the other, spinning facts, omitting facts, and making up 'facts'. I just don't enjoy it that much anymore. I've got other things I'm working on that interest me more, things I'd rather do than chase down articles to rebut some of the stuff I've seen in here.
BSB, I'll hang around a bit. It's good seeing you are still around and in fine fettle. I don't know how much I'll be posting or how often but I'll be around.
Sirs, don't leave on my account, or anyone's really. Eff 'em if they can't take a joke.
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Well, as kind as your words have been Cu4, Plane, RR, and even H,...... Miss Kim had me at......please :) Sorry BsB.
And Xo, if you think I could use some "major improvement" what stopped you from listing some? I provided that request in another thread as well, asking for any helpful parameters, if folks find my "assertiveness", in validating points made, problematic. Word of warning, it won't include ignoring the many distortions, fabrications, deflections, and hyperbole often employed by the liberal left, but I'll "try" to be a little more "Plane-like", in highlighting those efforts. No promises though
And H, if I had taken a leave, it wouldn't have been because of you, or Xo's or Bsb's insultings, my intention to drop was specific to the post in which I was responding to. You've got a good head on your shoulders, even when you've been shown to be wrong. 8)
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And H, if I had taken a leave, it wouldn't have been because of you, or Xo's or Bsb's insultings, my intention to drop was specific to the post in which I was responding to. You've got a good head on your shoulders, even when you've been shown to be wrong. 8)
ROFL, preposterous.
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SIRS.... glad to see you back tonight.
I know Kim will be proud of you....
and as usual she'll probably take credit....lol
I think it should be a mandatory rule punishable by heavy fine
if someone ever quits before taking a 24 hour break!
Dude...you are much more laid back than me,
don't let the haters get under your skin.
Laughing at them is good for the soul!
Election week should be fun.....
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Do not give them that victory, please.
Denied!
Welcome back, Sirs.
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And Xo, if you think I could use some "major improvement" what stopped you from listing some?
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You seem to be on some sort of stupid competition to prove to yourself that you are the Biggest Swinging Dick Ever. You will never admit even the teensiest error or recognize any statement made by anyone you think of as a "Liberal" as correct in any way.
Your knowledge of history is deficient and faulty.
I really don't think you will ever change. As I said, I will not debate you because it is distasteful and unpleasant.
Plane introduces interesting topics. You are obsessed with weird symmetry and the huge unfairness of how ratbag right wing loons are portrayed in the press. You only want to yammer on about stupid crap that is in the right wing List of Obsessions at any given moment. That is boring to me.
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LOL...and like clockwork....did Xo provide any attempt...ANY... to bring about an example of civil dialog that Plane was so trying to get him to follow?? Did he demonstrate some suggestions, or even provide as an example of how this poster, the dastardly sirs, could use some "major improvement"??
Big fat no, apparently. SOP
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I know Kim will be proud of you.... and as usual she'll probably take credit....lol
Excuse me? I take exception to that. I cannot help that my feminine charms won him back. ;)
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I told you why you suck, sirs.
Stop sucking already.
Or don't.
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SOP....Xo wouldn't be Xo, I guess