McCain's pastor a sharp contrast to Obama's

[sirs]

What current bad judgment is Obama exhibiting? He distanced himself from Wrights views.

Not until it became politically necessary.  20+yrs up until now, is a long time of bad judgement. 

[BT]

Considering that he has only been on the national stage for 4 years, i think the 25 year yardstick is both misleading and unfair.


It's kinda like scorning a democrat because they are prolife.

[sirs]

Considering that he has only been on the national stage for 4 years, i think the 25 year yardstick is both misleading and unfair.

Not misleading at all.  It's largely ACCURATE, despite your opinion of being unfair.

It's kinda like scorning a democrat because they are prolife.

Not really, but if that works for you, so be it.  Again, apparently you're trying to imply Obama is a racist.  I'm not, and never have been

[BT]

Again, apparently you're trying to imply Obama is a racist.  I'm not, and never have been

Apparently I'm not implying Obama is a racist. The implication is that his pastor is a racist and because Obama didn't not distance ,disavow or find another church, his judgment is suspect and is not worthy of presidential consideration.

My position has always been that Wright speaks for himself and is responsible for what he says.

Your position seems to be that Obama is responsible for Wright's speech simply because as a figure in the public eye, he said nothing.

[sirs]

Again, apparently you're trying to imply Obama is a racist.  I'm not, and never have been

Apparently I'm not implying Obama is a racist. The implication is that his pastor is a racist and because Obama didn't not distance ,disavow or find another church, his judgment is suspect and is not worthy of presidential consideration.

Close....I didn't say or even imply "worthy".  I specifically said severe lack of judgement in a candidate for President is not a quality I'm gonna give a pass to

Your position seems to be that Obama is responsible for Wright's speech simply because as a figure in the public eye, he said nothing.

No, it's not my position in the least.  Obama is responsible for Obama's speech.  And as that old cliche' goes, actions speak louder than words, and his lack of actions as it relates to his pastor's speech is the issue.  At least for this voter

[BT]

Either he is worthy to be president or he isn't.

Either his actions or lack of actions concerning Wright is a criteria to judge his worthiness or it isn't.

[sirs]

Either he is worthy to be president or he isn't.

Not sure what's with this adjective you've applied to this debate, "worthy".  It's definantly not a constitutional mandate.  So I guess I'm back to dealing with the issues of Judgement and character.  I'll let you focus on if he's "worthy or not"

Either his actions or lack of actions concerning Wright is a criteria to judge his worthiness or it isn't.

To you perhaps.  And to be frankly honest, I don't see any candidate, of any election as "worthy of being X".  His lack of actions as it relates to Wright are a big negative in my book.  That alone does not disqualify him from being president, it's simply another, in a long line of reasons, he would not be getting my vote

[BT]

His lack of actions as it relates to Wright are a big negative in my book.  That alone does not disqualify him from being president, it's simply another, in a long line of reasons, he would not be getting my vote

So it isn't a deal breaker.

And that has been my point all along.

[Xavier_Onassis]

then what?
pretend all is well
and proceed to stick your head in the sand?

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I suppose you think that the Iraqis will move in next door to you and throw wild parties or something.

9-11 was retaliation for meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for 50 years.

All is a long ways from being well now, considering what this stupid, unnecessary war is costing. The dollar is tanking, the rest of the world despises us, our liberties are being sucked away one by one.

You are the one with your head stuck in the sands of Iraq, not I.

How many more maimed Americans, dead soldiers and Marines and dollars is this stupid adventure worth?

[Christians4LessGvt]

[BT]

One has to wonder if Wright railed against illegals and homosexuals whether he would be demogauged as harshly.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This argument is stupid.

"My daddy can beat up your daddy" = "My candidate's preacher is better than your candidate's preacher".

A waste of time, without any redeeming value at all.

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[fatman]

One has to wonder if Wright railed against illegals and homosexuals whether he would be demogauged as harshly.

Hmmm, that's a point I hadn't considered.  Thanks

[Christians4LessGvt]

I suppose you think that the Iraqis will move in next door to you and throw
wild parties or something.

I wish that were the case, but that just further exposes how blind you really are.
I think the Islamist will do exactly as they state are their plans.
Infidels will be converted or killed.
Read any paper, it's not hard to find them carrying out their pledge anywhere in the world.

9-11 was retaliation for meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for 50 years.

BLAME AMERICA.
WE ARE TO BLAME.
I am sure the Middle East would be so much better off if we had not bought a drop of oil from them.
I am sure if not for the United States they would all be so prosperous & getting along great.
The Sunni & Shia would hug each other in joy.
I am sure if not for the United States the Middle East would have invented the telephone,
the computer, the airplane, the MRI machine, ect, ect, ect....
Yes they have led the world in innovation!

All is a long ways from being well now, considering what this stupid,
unnecessary war is costing.

Surrender and/or "cut & run" is much cheaper in the short-term.
Head In Sand 101

the rest of the world despises us

It's easier to blame a boogie man than look in the mirror.
Some competitors hate Walmart.
It's easy to despise who's on top.
Better to demonize than admit your getting your ass kicked.

our liberties are being sucked away one by one.

Aweeeeee poor baby.
You can't talk on the telly to Bin Laden overseas about killing Americans or the FBI might listen in.
Such a hardship.
Aweeeeee poor baby, can't run thru a red light without paying a fine anymore.
Such a hardship.
Aweeeee poor baby.
Can't launder money for Bin Laden.
Such a hardship.

You are the one with your head stuck in the sands of Iraq, not I.

No, Iraq is just one piece of a very deadly chess game that you want to pretend
is non-existent. Head in Sand 101.

How many more maimed Americans, dead soldiers and Marines and dollars is this
stupid adventure worth?

Well maybe we should have just surrendered to Hitler that would saved alot
of "maimed Americans, dead soldiers, and Marines" I mean after all what
was that "stupid adventure" of stopping Hitler worth?

[Christians4LessGvt]

"This argument is stupid"

Yeah you're right, sound judgement shouldn't be a factor in choosing a President.