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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Michael Tee on October 21, 2011, 12:48:09 AM
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Interesting comment by Al Sharpton on the Daily Show yesterday. When asked what the OWS! could possibly accomplish, Sharpton answered that they had already changed the national conversation. Meaning that:
- a few months ago, nobody (in the two parties) was talking much about jobs and making ends meet; the GOP had set the national conversation and it focused on deficit reduction. As the Occupy! movement gained traction, the national conversation (Sharpton says) has moved off the guidelines set for it by the GOP and both parties are talking about the issues important to the occupy! movement, not to the GOP.
- the initial GOP attack dogs (Cantor, attacking the "mobs" et al.) were called off or muted, and Romney apparently has even made noises about how he too is concerned about the 99%.
As a testament to the power of the Occupy! movement, this is impressive. Romney or any other top-tier GOP leader, IMHO, hasn't a chance in hell of attracting any Occupy! people, but to the extent that the Democrats can succeed in pulling Occupy! into their orbit, this would be the death of the Occupy! movement and of the new approach they are taking to the failure of capitalism.
The first Occupy Wall Street! people seemed to have a good instinctive grasp of the class war and its relevance to the current mess that the country finds itself in, not only at the symptomatic level, but at the root-cause level. In some areas, Oakland for example, the class-war perspective is front-and-centre, embraced without fear or apology and seems to form the basis of the day to day strategic planning. (Thanks again, CU4, for that exceptional video!) But ANY class-war perspective will inevitably be lost if the Democrats succeed in their attempts to co-opt this movement.
Of course, in the perspective of the class war, changing the "national conversation" from deficit reduction to jobs and homes doesn't seem like much of an advance, but given the perspectives of the demonstrators themselves (or at least, the most politically advanced of their leaders) any discussion of jobs will inevitably expose the roots of the class-war origins of the problem and has at least the potential to expose millions of the demonstrators to basic Marxist-Leninist theory in the most practical of all settings, the ruling class' inability to provide a true account of the loss of American jobs in non-class-war terms.
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Interesting comment by Al Sharpton . Meaning that:
- a few months ago, nobody (in the two parties) was talking much about jobs and making ends meet; ........
Piffle.
How hard would it be to find an hundred articles on that subject about six months old?
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<<How hard would it be to find an hundred articles on that subject [jobs] about six months old?>>
I don't know, but I know it would have been easier to find a thousand articles on deficit reduction.
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Do the names Tawana Brawley & Crystal Mangum ring any bells for ya?
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Funny, Tawana was the first thing I thought of when the Reverend Al came on stage. It was a long, long time ago. The Rev. has really changed - - he's about half his former girth, looks really great, and he don't talk dat crazy talk no more.
Stewart was too polite to bring up the old stuff, but he did ask about changes from the old Al, and the Rev kinda said, well, he's matured some since those days and it was pretty obvious, at least to me, that he had.
He sure was making a lot of sense when he spoke. And with a good sense of humour too.
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Funny, Tawana was the first thing I thought of when the Reverend Al came on stage. It was a long, long time ago. The Rev. has really changed - - he's about half his former girth, looks really great, and he don't talk dat crazy talk no more.
Stewart was too polite to bring up the old stuff, but he did ask about changes from the old Al, and the Rev kinda said, well, he's matured some since those days and it was pretty obvious, at least to me, that he had.
He sure was making a lot of sense when he spoke. And with a good sense of humour too.
I wonder if you would be willing to give Thomas Sowell the same consideration?
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I read Sowell a couple of times only. Don't even recall which publication he wrote for. The first time I didn't even realize he was black at first, and I thought "What a fucking idiot." Then I think I looked at his picture and realized of course that he was just an Uncle Tom earning his keep. The second time I read him just confirmed what the first time had taught me. Whitey's game of global domination and oppression victimizes predominantly people of colour. Any black who supports that shit is by definition an Uncle Tom.
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I read Sowell a couple of times only. Don't even recall which publication he wrote for. The first time I didn't even realize he was black at first, and I thought "What a fucking idiot." Then I think I looked at his picture and realized of course that he was just an Uncle Tom earning his keep. The second time I read him just confirmed what the first time had taught me. Whitey's game of global domination and oppression victimizes predominantly people of colour. Any black who supports that shit is by definition an Uncle Tom.
Racist
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This thread can't be real. It must be some morons dream that floated onto the world wide web.
BSB
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I wonder if you would be willing to give Thomas Sowell the same consideration?
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Only when he stops spouting rot.
He shows no signs of doing this.
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I wonder if you would be willing to give Thomas Sowell the same consideration?
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Only when he stops spouting rot.
He shows no signs of doing this.
So you side with a Al Sharpton, (a phony preacherman) who has twice got involved in phony rape allegations against white people by black people over Thomas Sowell a decent highly educated African American who has never broke the law, isn't under investigation by the IRS, and doesn't come across as a hater?
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Al Sharpton is smarter than both Thomas Sowell and you. I did not say I agreed with Sharpton on everything, but he certainly makes far, far more sense than anything you or Sowell has said.
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Mickey Tee is smarter than you, XO. He can actually back up his comments with a decent argument. You cannot.
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<<So you side with a Al Sharpton, (a phony preacherman) who has twice got involved in phony rape allegations against white people by black people . . .>>
The Tawana Brawley thing was what? Thirty years ago? Forty? You sum up the whole of Sharpton's career of fighting white racism since he was a pre-teen preacher as if it all began and ended with Tawana Brawley. He led the protests over the Howard Beach killings in which a white mob armed with baseball bats beat the shit out of five innocent black teenagers just for walking in their neighbourhood, chasing one of them to his death in traffic. He protested the NYPD torture of an innocent black man who had the broken end of a toilet plunger rammed up his ass and then shoved down his throat.
He might have gotten taken in by phonies once or twice in a lifetime career of fighting white racism. BFD. Would you want a white cop kicked off the force because once or twice in 40 or 50 years he was taken in by someone's lying bullshit and arrested the wrong guy? He fought against racism his whole fucking life, and once or twice got roped into taking up the wrong battle. BFD.
<< . . over Thomas Sowell a decent highly educated African American who has never broke the law, isn't under investigation by the IRS, and doesn't come across as a hater?>>
I don't expect Uncle Tom to break any of Mr. Charley's laws, his "education" and the skills it conferred seem to have been put to work whoring for Whitey against his own people, and licking Mr. Charley's ass I guess WOULD make him "not come across as a hater." Fuck Thomas Sowell.
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<<So you side with a Al Sharpton, (a phony preacherman) who has twice got involved in phony rape allegations against white people by black people . . .>>
The Tawana Brawley thing was what? Thirty years ago? Forty? You sum up the whole of Sharpton's career of fighting white racism since he was a pre-teen preacher as if it all began and ended with Tawana Brawley. He led the protests over the Howard Beach killings in which a white mob armed with baseball bats beat the shit out of five innocent black teenagers just for walking in their neighbourhood, chasing one of them to his death in traffic. He protested the NYPD torture of an innocent black man who had the broken end of a toilet plunger rammed up his ass and then shoved down his throat.
He might have gotten taken in by phonies once or twice in a lifetime career of fighting white racism. BFD. Would you want a white cop kicked off the force because once or twice in 40 or 50 years he was taken in by someone's lying bullshit and arrested the wrong guy? He fought against racism his whole fucking life, and once or twice got roped into taking up the wrong battle. BFD.
<< . . over Thomas Sowell a decent highly educated African American who has never broke the law, isn't under investigation by the IRS, and doesn't come across as a hater?>>
I don't expect Uncle Tom to break any of Mr. Charley's laws, his "education" and the skills it conferred seem to have been put to work whoring for Whitey against his own people, and licking Mr. Charley's ass I guess WOULD make him "not come across as a hater." Fuck Thomas Sowell.
Under your analogy we should forgive a cop (and allow him to keep being a cop) that lies on the stand and gets a man wrongly convicted and ultimately executed. Nice!
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Under your analogy we should forgive a cop (and allow him to keep being a cop) that lies on the stand and gets a man wrongly convicted and ultimately executed. Nice!
Whaaaa...?
What analogy?
That makes no sense at all. No one was threatened with a death sentence over Tawana Brawley.
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That makes no sense at all. No one was threatened with a death sentence over Tawana Brawley.
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their lives were changed forever. and they did nothing to deserve it other than being white. Has Sharpton apologized yet? As far as I know he wants the US to apologize for slavery so it seems like apologees are important to him.
XO you are pretty narrow-minded.
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................ Fuck Thomas Sowell.
You can certainly disagree with him , but other than he disagrees with you, do you know anything about Thomas Sowell?
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<<Under your analogy we should forgive a cop (and allow him to keep being a cop) that lies on the stand and gets a man wrongly convicted and ultimately executed. Nice!>>
Baloney. My analogy was limited to a cop, acting on misinformation, making a couple of false arrests. The Rev made some false accusations in good faith, based on what seemed at the time like plausible allegations. It isn't as if, never before in the history of the USA, have white cops ever raped and beaten black women and lied about it afterwards.
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My analogy was limited to a cop, acting on misinformation, making a couple of false arrests. The Rev made some false accusations in good faith, based on what seemed at the time like plausible allegations. It isn't as if, never before in the history of the USA, have white cops ever raped and beaten black women and lied about it afterwards.
What is strange about this exchange is that you are using a symbol of racism (white cops raping, beating and otherwise keeping the good people down) vs an actual person with a name who has a history of exaggerating prevaricating and otherwise race baiting for the advancement of his own career. And some how you think that makes Sharptons actions OK.
About the only thing correct in your post was the first word.
Baloney.
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I agree that Sharpton was a first-class race baiter at the time of the Brawley affair. But that was a long, long time ago, and Sharpton is no longer what he once was.
I have no idea to whom he owes any apology. He believed Tawana Brawley. So? Who has not believed someone who was an effective liar at some time in their lives?
I see no reason for an apology. I see no reason to dredge up the Tawana Brawley nonsense every time Sharpton makes a statement.It is the same as the morons who brought up Chappaquiddick every time Ted Kennedy said anything about anything. Ignorant people saying stupid sh*t. So what? It is all they ever say. They are stupid, what else could we expect?
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I agree with XO. The Rev Al has a very long career, in the course of which a couple of mistakes were made. Given the long and lamentable history of white racist violence on blacks, including white cops beating, raping and murdering black women, it was understandable that the Rev would fall for a fake story somewhere in his long crusade against racist violence. It was not his whole story, the story would look better without that mistake in it, but it's a part of the record.
In WWII, the USAAF mistakenly blew away about 700 front-line Canadian combat infantry during the battle for Normandy. Not the brightest page in the USAAF's history, but should I let that one black page tarnish their name forever? You gotta look at the whole of their record, the good and the bad, same thing with the Rev. Al. And don't forget that Tawana Brawley was thirty or forty years ago. Gimme a break.
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Snowblower >> Blah blah blah, you're a bunch of racists, I'm superior. Blah blah. America sucks, Clinton's a whore, blah blah. My health care is better than yours, I'm smarter then you, blah blah blah. I know, you don't. Blah blah blah. I'm right 99.99% of the time<<
On and on and on, God, what a boring asshole.
BSB
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<<You can certainly disagree with him , but other than he disagrees with you, do you know anything about Thomas Sowell?>>
Sure, I know that he's an Uncle Tom.
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Sure, I know that he's an Uncle Tom, sell out nigger/quote]
There i fixed it for you.
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You fixed nothing for me. Put words in my mouth that I never used in my whole life. But if it amuses to to make shit pies out of shit, nothing I can do about it, I guess. Have fun and enjoy the conversation of yourself with yourself.
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The first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.
Slurring a black man because he does not behave according to your expectations is based on nothing more than racial stereotypes.
Might as well have called him a house nigger or stepin fetchett.
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<<The first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem. >>
Yeah, but if the problem is racism, I can see it's quite evident from the prior discussions in this group, not only regarding Sowell and Cain, but also regarding Trent Lott, George Allen and Strom Thurmond, that I have no racism problem whatsoever, but all you guys screaming "racism!" when they hear "Uncle Tom," definitely have a major racism problem that you just won't admit.
<<Slurring a black man because he does not behave according to your expectations is based on nothing more than racial stereotypes. >>
I agree with you. We have no problem at this point. Let's look at what part of my posts you have been willfully and consistently missing.
<<Slurring a black man because he serves Whitey by attacking his own people is based on nothing more than racial stereotypes. >>
THAT is the source of all your errors on this subject. Misrepresentation of my attacks on Uncle Toms based on the motivation falsely attributed to me that they are called out as Uncle Toms "because they do not behave according to my expectations" is a magnificent over-simplification which completely misses the justification for the epithet.
Once you stop grossly misrepresenting my statements and my reasoning, the problem that you have with my alleged "racism" will simply disappear.
<<Might as well have called him a house nigger or stepin fetchett. >>
See what I mean? Perfect example of your gross misrepresentations of what I have been saying.
Might as well have called him a house nigger or stepin fetchett.
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Why would you assume that a conservative black mans behavior was motivated by serving Whitey by attacking his own people rather than acting in his own best interest?
You know it is funny. John Kerry is praised for speaking truth to power, attacking his own people so to speak, yet a Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell or Bill Cosby are derided for doing the same.
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Why would you assume that a conservative black mans behavior was motivated by serving Whitey by attacking his own people rather than acting in his own best interest?
You know it is funny. John Kerry is praised for speaking truth to power, attacking his own people so to speak, yet a Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell or Bill Cosby are derided for doing the same.
Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell, Condoleeza Rice & Bill Cosby are all highly educated African Americans and clearly are highly intelligent -- and clearly think different than other black people. That scares the hell outa people like XO & Mikey.
You could say in a strange way these folks mentioned up above might think too white for their race. This notion makes certain whites feel very uncomfortable. And certain blacks uncomfortable as well.
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<<Why would you assume that a conservative black mans behavior was motivated by serving Whitey by attacking his own people rather than acting in his own best interest? >>
Because it's so obvious. The black people do NOT live in the "post-racial world" that conservative activists try so hard to sell. They still face huge problems unaddressed by Whitey and his conservative backers. The conservatives have an on-going need for reasonably articulate Uncle Toms to back them up, so they don't look so obviously all-white. That's where a despicable handful of Toms like Sowell and Cain come in - - they find they can make a nice and easy living filling Mr. Charley's need for Toms and do better than they could fighting against racial injustice and maybe risking deadly attacks the way guys like the Reverend Al do every day of their lives.
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Since when did you become the spokesperson for what constitutes blackness?
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<<Why would you assume that a conservative black mans behavior was motivated by serving Whitey by attacking his own people rather than acting in his own best interest? >>
Because it's so obvious. The black people do NOT live in the "post-racial world" that conservative activists try so hard to sell. They still face huge problems unaddressed by Whitey and his conservative backers. The conservatives have an on-going need for reasonably articulate Uncle Toms to back them up, so they don't look so obviously all-white. That's where a despicable handful of Toms like Sowell and Cain come in - - they find they can make a nice and easy living filling Mr. Charley's need for Toms and do better than they could fighting against racial injustice and maybe risking deadly attacks the way guys like the Reverend Al do every day of their lives.
In reading between your lines I see a glaring word coming at me called SEGREGATION.
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Are there racists in the United States? Of course. Are there more white racists than black racists? Of course, there are a lot more white people. Are there more white racists on the right side of the political spectrum then the left? Maybe, but that is very difficult to access. Are there more white's who act out in a racists way on the right? That could very well be. But there's a few things we need to remember here. A) This is a BIG country in terms of the number of people who live here. There are only two nations in the world with a larger population than us. China, and India. China is virtually all of one race. And India has been rift with class prejudices for hundreds of years. Treating the under class in a worse fashion than African Americans have been treated here in a long time. B) We fought a war that may not have started out being fought over human rights but by the end of it many, including Lincoln, felt that human dignity was the leading issue. C) Overt racism, be it economic, or social, or whatever, is all but gone. D) There are those who benefit from prolonging the idea that this society is racists at its core. People like Blower, but actual Americans, unlike the fuckin' dip-shit, unceasingly boring, Canuck. More of those are on the left than the right. The question is how long those people keep it up?
BSB
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<<Since when did you become the spokesperson for what constitutes blackness?>>
I'm not a spokesperson for what constitutes blackness and who is blacker than whom, but I sure as hell have my opinions on it and every right to hold them. This thread began when I quoted an interesting observation that Sharpton had made on The Daily Show about the effect to date that the Occupy Wall Street! people had made. Nothing in the comment related to the race issue at all - - the same comment could equally well have come from a white, black or Asian person and the issue being commented on was equally race-neutral.
Suddenly the Reverend Al came under attack for his past mistakes in fighting racism and the whole issue of blackness, of Cain v. Obama, Cain v. some unknown white guy, etc., all came up.
I gave, and stand by, my opinion that both Cain and Sowell are Uncle Toms, that Cain is "blacker" than Obama and that Sharpton would not vote for Cain despite their common skin colour. As to who I am to comment on blackness or black authenticity, I'm an intelligent and educated observer of the U.S. political scene and probably better qualified than most to express my opinions on it. The idea that only a black can express these opinions is ludicrous. It's like saying that only a woman can express opinions or make comparisons in femininity, women's wear styles, etc. It's pure bullshit.
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There are those who benefit from prolonging the idea that this society is racists at its core. People like Blower, but actual Americans, unlike the fuckin' dip-shit, unceasingly boring, Canuck. More of those are on the left than the right. The question is how long those people keep it up?
My guess is none live on the right and all of them live on the left including but not limited to the guy you voted for, Obama, his preacher, and of course Jesse and Al and just about every Democrat politician because that is how they capture African American voters, or shall I say 96% of them.
Kramer
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oh and never forget that the Democrat Party requires it's members to be victims. Without victims the Democrat Party would cease to be viable.
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I gave, and stand by, my opinion that both Cain and Sowell are Uncle Toms
And i stand by my statement that a white man calling a black man an uncle tom is racist. And the reason is simple: it prejudges suitable behavior for a person of color.
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Since when did you become the spokesperson for what constitutes blackness?
I believe he got his lesson from Professor Xo, him being an apparent authority on Blackness, and all
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The idea that only a black person can judge blackness is just plain absurd. I guess if you take it to its logical extreme, only a dog can judge dog shows and only a horse can judge horse shows.
Will you guys please stop with your fucking bullshit and start to talk as if you lived in the real world?
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The idea that only a black person can judge blackness is just plain absurd. I guess if you take it to its logical extreme, only a dog can judge dog shows and only a horse can judge horse shows.
When did they become self aware? I have yet to see one on Jeapordy
Will you guys please stop with your fucking bullshit and start to talk as if you lived in the real world?
Then stop with the racist comments
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<<When did they [horses and dogs] become self aware? I have yet to see one on Jeapordy>>
LOL. My point wasn't that we need to find dogs to judge dog shows or horses to judge horse shows - - it was that in view of your absurdist logic, humans were unqualified to judge either kind of show.
<<Then stop with the racist comments>>
LMAO. sirs is like the guy in the Rohrschach ink-blot test, who relates every ink-blot the psychiatrist shows him to sex. This ink-blot represents two camels fucking, that one is a woman getting fucked doggy style and the next one are three high-school girls showing their tits. The shrink tells the guy he's obsessed with sex and the guy says to the shrink, "ME obsessed with sex? Who's the one showing me all those dirty pictures?"
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...and Tee's like the Snake Oil Salesman, that insists his potion cures everything.......just trust him, hand over your money, and move along.
And who's the one continuing to make the racist references of uncle toms?? That obsession lies squarely on you (& Xo)
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<<And who's the one continuing to make the racist references of uncle toms?? That obsession lies squarely on you (& Xo)>>
LOL. Give it up, sirs. XO can speak for himself, but as far as I'm concerned, as long as you racist conservatives keep trotting out those pathetic disgusting Toms to bolster your pathetic racist rants, I'll keep calling out the Uncle Toms for what they are.
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By all means, continue to demagogue a person, based on his race, and keep denying its racist. I'm sure you'd look just peachy in your black hood & ensemble
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.....but as far as I'm concerned, as long as you racist conservatives keep trotting out those pathetic disgusting Toms to bolster your pathetic racist rants, I'll keep calling out the Uncle Toms for what they are
No one trotted out anyone. Both Cain and Sowell arrived at their political positions on their own. Just like a white person does. Why the assumption that they as black men are unable to do that. That's a paternalistic attitude and in this case a racist one as well.
The fact remains, i doubt you can point to one racist statement i have made, yet you continue to label Cain and Sowell with a horrid slur every time you write about them.
Being a liberal does not exempt you from the same standards you use to hold others of different political persuasions feet to the fire.
This is not a case of code words and dog whistles, this is not a case of perception vs intent. This is a case of out and out racist demagoguery.
And you should be ashamed.
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<<No one trotted out anyone. Both Cain and Sowell arrived at their political positions on their own. Just like a white person does. Why the assumption that they as black men are unable to do that. That's a paternalistic attitude and in this case a racist one as well.>>
That's pure bullshit. They came to their Uncle Tom position on their own, but unless they're semi-morons, they could not possibly have come to positions that so closely approximate the anti-black positions of the racists that they make common cause with, unless they determined that it was to their personal advantage to serve as Whitey's tools. Cain's depiction of "most of the black community" as "brainwashed" is particularly offensive - - he doesn't say, as the fact is, that they are brainwashed by Whitey's MSM into supporting the militarism and fascism that determine US foreign policy, he says that they are brainwashed into defending their own interests against The Man. He's against the struggle of his own community as they continue the fight for equality and dignity. Sure he arrived at his position on his own, but it's the position of Judas Iscariot. He's not entitled to any respect for it, he's a disgusting individual. Sharpton called him out and so did I. And the correct (i.e. precise and accurate) language for calling him out in this case is just what I said he is - - an Uncle Tom.
<<The fact remains, i doubt you can point to one racist statement i have made, yet you continue to label Cain and Sowell with a horrid slur every time you write about them. >>
I don't have to point to "one racist statement" you have made, most racists are too smart to make racist statements today anyway, but I do recall the extremely lukewarm response of all the conservatives in this group when presented with glaring examples of REAL racism, like Trent Lott or "Senator Makakawitz" (George Allen) or even Strom Thurmond. THAT'S what makes all their brouhaha about the supposed "racism" of calling out an Uncle Tom so hilarious.
<<Being a liberal does not exempt you from the same standards you use to hold others of different political persuasions feet to the fire. >>
No, but it sure highlights the absurdity of your already absurd allegations of racism.
<<This is not a case of code words and dog whistles, this is not a case of perception vs intent. This is a case of out and out racist demagoguery. >>
Yeah, crank it up, BT. You mean racist demagoguery as in "Ole Strom shoulda won in 48," or racist demagoguery as in "macaca?" LMFAO
<<And you should be ashamed.>>
Bullshit. I'd only be ashamed if I had let your absurdist rant and your faked indignation go unchallenged.
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You do realize that we are not talking about Trent Lott. We are talking about your own racist statements.
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<<You do realize that we are not talking about Trent Lott. We are talking about your own racist statements. >>
What "we" are talking about is your reluctance to have your attitude toward Lott's racism compared with your over-the-top hysteria in reacting to MY so-called "racism."
"WE" are in fact talking about hypocritical indignation. "WE" are talking about farcical concerns. "WE" are talking abut sheer absurdity.
We are also talking about something that is so absurd and ridiculous that I once told you and the group that I wasn't prepared to waste any more of my time on it. Shoulda remembered that before I got myself more involved in the same nonsense.
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Then stop making blatantly racist comments, and you won't need to "waste any time" trying to defend them and try to convince the rest of us that red is blue. ::)
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That's pure bullshit. They came to their Uncle Tom position on their own, but unless they're semi-morons, they could not possibly have come to positions that so closely approximate the anti-black positions of the racists that they make common cause with, unless they determined that it was to their personal advantage to serve as Whitey's tools.
Since when is academic and business success an anti-black position?
And what was my position re:Lott? Have a quote handy?
I have plenty of posts where you slurred blacks by calling them Uncle Toms.
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OK guys, you have my last word on the subject, so continue hacking away if you will. I just can't waste any more time on this craziness - - YOU, defending a bunch of Uncle Toms who are basically indefensible, and ME, probably the most anti-racist poster in the whole group being labelled a racist. It's like the inmates have taken over the asylum. But I see nothing will convince you, so I am giving up the effort. It just ain't worth it.
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-- and YOU continuing to make racist slurs, in calling folks Uncle Toms, then trying to defend it, as if its ok
Yea, you. And if we were to keep a log of how many times you've been calling folks such a vile slur, you'd be taking top honors as the most racist poster in the whole saloon
Yea, you
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-- and YOU continuing to make racist slurs, in calling folks Uncle Toms, then trying to defend it, as if its ok
Yea, you. And if we were to keep a log of how many times you've been calling folks such a vile slur, you'd be taking top honors as the most racist poster in the whole saloon
Yea, you
These libs think they own black people and apparently they aren't going to give them up without a huge fight.
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If any mane were to call Rev Sharpton some slur, based on his skin color, that is the textook definition of racism. Not sure what makes Tee think he can get away with it, simply because he's a hard core leftist
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If any mane were to call Rev Sharpton some slur, based on his skin color, that is the textook definition of racism. Not sure what makes Tee think he can get away with it, simply because he's a hard core leftist
I guess because leftist have been getting away with it up to now.
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They still think they are
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I guess because leftist have been getting away with it up to now.
Oh and let me add that they still are getting away with it outside of 3DHS. Here we call a spade a spade and the chips fall where they fall.
BT seems a lot more tolerant to it these days though. Only a few years ago I got a suspension just for referring to illegals as Wetbacks and I didn't even specify one person directly. Now-a-days XO and Mikey can call African Americans Uncle Tom all day long and keep on posting without any ramifications. Sirs you got a suspension not long ago and I dare say it wasn't up to the level of a racist rant at all.
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It was actually completely uncalled for, but I allowed time to pass, and when my anger had resolved, I made my way back, with the goal of trying to keep civil. Not a goal I achieve with an A grade, but a goal, none-the-less. I think Bt perhaps has a higher bar for those who lean right. That's why folks on the left can get off perseverating on ongoing racial slurs aimed at folks that dare not agree with their iedology. Its good for all of us to keep tabs on others, and help point them in the right direction of debating discourse, yet be ready to call a spade a spade, a racial slur a racial slur
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BSB also called Kramer the N-word. XO and the other liberals didn't say a peep about that racial slur of black people.
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BSB also called Kramer the N-word. XO and the other liberals didn't say a peep about that racial slur of black people.
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How is it a slur of Black people to call Kramer the "N-word"?
Why should I defend Kramer, who is not Black, and in fact a racist, from being called by a taboo word?
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Because it is using a racial stereotype of black people to attack somebody.
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Kramer don't do that again.
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Should we also refrain from calling one another by other racial epithets, like untouchable, pariah dog, or son of a bald-headed woman?
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You should have the moral courage to condemn the disparaging of black people for political attacks.
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Should we also refrain from calling one another by other racial epithets, like untouchable, pariah dog, or son of a bald-headed woman?
yes you should stay away from calling people names. Right now is a very good time to start.
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I think it's quite clear what I mean when I say Kramer is a nigger. I'm not referring to any physical attributes. I'm merely pointing out that We We is a social outcast and a wart on the skin of society. In other words he's a nigger. And I might add he continues to earn the reference.
BSB
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Dave,
What are your intentions during these infrequent visits to the board?
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Ah huh. Well, Bill, what's your intention in asking me the question?
BSB
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Uh well Dave, seems you came in doing a bit name calling and questioning the quality of the posts and the posters, so i guess i want to know if you are here to stir the shit or to discuss issues as is the intent of the board.
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Ah uh. So, it was like a comment in the form of a question, was it Bill?
BSB
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No it was a question. Let me rephrase. What is your intent?
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No need to rephrase, your point is taken.
And Bill, don't be a stranger.
Your pal Dave
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The idea that only a black can express these opinions is ludicrous. It's like saying that only a woman can express opinions or make comparisons in femininity, women's wear styles, etc. It's pure bullshit.
And in this principal , what are the proper limits on opinions a black skinned person may hold?
Is it shamefull for a white skinned person to be a traitor to his race, perhaps by voting or expressing opinions as if the skin color of a canadate were not a primary consideration?...or by being a liberal? No white people other than Jews should be liberals and black Jews really really can't be conservative, they are under a double geas.
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With the point being that no one has claimed that only a black person can express a similar opinion. They'd merely be referred to as racist as well. Any derrogatory slur aimed at a person, based on skin color, IS RACIST, by definition
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<<And in this principal , what are the proper limits on opinions a black skinned person may hold?
<< Is it shamefull for a white skinned person to be a traitor to his race, perhaps by voting or expressing opinions as if the skin color of a canadate were not a primary consideration?...or by being a liberal? No white people other than Jews should be liberals and black Jews really really can't be conservative, they are under a double geas.>>
Most people fall quite clearly into groups. Groups have group interests, and unfortunately they also have enemies. Sowell and Cain fall into the group known as "blacks." The group interest of the blacks is to work the entire group out from under the cumulative effects of centuries of racism, slavery, exploitation and Jim Crow. The group enemy of the blacks is white racism in general and the GOP in particular, and even more particularly the conservative wing of the GOP.
Just as Americans are supposed to work for the good of America and not join al Qaeda, the enemy of America, so it is with other groups, the blacks for instance: members of the black community are supposed to work for the good of the black community and not join the white racist enemies of the black people, the GOP and the conservatives in particular. The words for a black man who turns his back on his own people to support their enemies and oppressors are: Uncle Tom.
The word for a Norwegian who betrays the Norwegian people to curry favour with their enemy, Nazi Germany is, quisling. By the same insane arguments that "prove" that I am a "racist" for calling out an Uncle Tom, quislings' defenders could argue that I have assigned them a proper role to play as Norwegians and have so stereotyped Norwegians by their ethnicity that I fail to respect any of them who think outside the box. Thus my calling out a quisling is simply displaying anti-Norwegian racism.
What kind of craziness is this? You want to continue playing with it, be my guest - - you're on your own with it.
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No need to rephrase, your point is taken.
And Bill, don't be a stranger.
Your pal Dave
Hey Dave, don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out!
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The group interest of the blacks is to work the entire group out from under the cumulative effects of centuries of racism, slavery, exploitation and Jim Crow.
No room for the individual when it comes to blacks?
The group enemy of the blacks is white racism in general and the GOP in particular, and even more particularly the conservative wing of the GOP.
Which is funny because the dems instituted jim crow and the dems federalized segregation under Wilson and the conservative wing of the GOP wants everybody black white brown red or yellow to be all they can be.
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The group enemy of the blacks is white racism in general and the GOP in particular, and even more particularly the conservative wing of the GOP.
Which is funny because the dems instituted jim crow and the dems federalized segregation under Wilson and the conservative wing of the GOP wants everybody black white brown red or yellow to be all they can be.
Red is blue
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Why bother to debate this issue? Really, who gives a ____? Companies hire who can do the work. Credit is issued to those with a good record. I chat with blacks here and there without a hint of strain on anyone's part, or even a dollop of mistrust. It's all but gone. Sure, there are some primates left. We even have one or two in here. I'd drop a name but I'm too well intentioned to be so crass. W...........no I'm not that kind of person. WeW..............no, nope, not me. Waterboard me if you like but I won't give up a name.
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<<And in this principal , what are the proper limits on opinions a black skinned person may hold?
<< Is it shamefull for a white skinned person to be a traitor to his race, perhaps by voting or expressing opinions as if the skin color of a canadate were not a primary consideration?...or by being a liberal? No white people other than Jews should be liberals and black Jews really really can't be conservative, they are under a double geas.>>
Most people fall quite clearly into groups. Groups have group interests, and unfortunately they also have enemies.
If Black is a group and white is a group , why does anyone have a problem with Nathan Bedford Forrest , who wasn't doing the Quisling thing. He thought he was doing what his group needed.
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<<No room for the individual when it comes to blacks? >>
No room for the individual when it comes to Norwegians?
Traitors are easily recognized by the betrayal of their own people and by their embrace of their own people's enemies. They're commonly despised, as evidenced by their pejorative nicknames.
If calling out an Uncle Tom is an example of anti-black racism, then calling out a quisling is an example of anti-Norwegian racism and calling out a Judas goat is an example of anti-goat racism.
I can't even begin to tell you how lame and stupid your arguments are. They're pathetic. It's just ludicrous that REAL racists who support the GOP and its racist aims think that they have the right to insult real anti-racists like myself by calling us racists. It's just so dumb that even though I resolve not to involve myself in this stupidity any longer, I just can't resist pointing out its dumbness every time it comes up.
Here are some basic facts for you to consider: that the GOP is a racist organization is painfully obvious from the fact that despite its outlandish and over-the-top use of Uncle Tom tokens, the overwhelming majority of blacks are not fooled by their bullshit or by their Toms and persist in voting Democratic. The only explanation for this that the GOP can offer is the egregious Herman Cain's suggestion that they are brainwashed. Too fucking dumb to know where their own interests lie. But I'M the "racist." LMFAO
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<< If Black is a group and white is a group , why does anyone have a problem with Nathan Bedford Forrest , who wasn't doing the Quisling thing. He thought he was doing what his group needed.>>
Leave it to a Southerner to be totally oblivious to the difference between a group's legitimate aspirations to equality and social justice on the one hand and OTOH, a group's desire to subjugate and oppress another group and totally disrespect their legitimate aspirations to justice and equality.
If you really don't know the difference by now, plane, I am afraid that nobody can help you.
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If Black is a group and white is a group , why does anyone have a problem with Nathan Bedford Forrest , who wasn't doing the Quisling thing. He thought he was doing what his group needed.
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Forrest murdered surrendered soldiers.Had they been White, they would have been put in a POW camp. But they were Black, he murdered them. I suppose he had the third option of selling them into slavery. He sold slaves before the War.
He was pretty reprehensible. I don't think he deserves a pass for any reason.
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I tell ya, it it pretty entertaining to watch Tee attempt to co-opt a subjective term like traitor, to try and defend his (& Xo's) ongoing racial slurs, based objectively on a person's skin color. Only difference in the hood is the color
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<<I tell ya, it it pretty entertaining to watch Tee attempt to co-opt a subjective term like traitor, to try and defend his (& Xo's) ongoing racial slurs, based objectively on a person's skin color. >>
Not half as entertaining as watching a bunch of closet racists getting their knickers all twisted into knots over the imaginary "racism" of the two most anti-racist posters in the group and trying to justify it with the most laughable "logic" that I've ever heard outside the performances of "Professor" Irwin Cory.
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If calling out an Uncle Tom is an example of anti-black racism, then calling out a quisling is an example of anti-Norwegian racism and calling out a Judas goat is an example of anti-goat racism.
That is nonsense on it's face. Please tell me how a black man achieving educational and business success is a sell out (or in your analogy a traitor) to his race.
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<<That is nonsense on it's face. Please tell me how a black man achieving educational and business success is a sell out (or in your analogy a traitor) to his race.>>
I was talking about Cain specifically, not ANY black man who is educated and successful in business. THIS black man, Herman Cain.
He supports the obviously racist GOP which most other blacks know is anti-black. By definition he's helping Whitey to gain the power to deny the blacks what they need to even out the playing field after centuries of racism and discrimination. He explains the position of most blacks towards the GOP by claiming they are "brainwashed."
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I was talking about Cain specifically, not ANY black man who is educated and successful in business. THIS black man, Herman Cain.
Uncle Tom is a generic term applied to a whole subgroup of black men. You assigned Cain to that group. Again please explain how achieving educational and business success is considered traitorous to the black race.
He supports the obviously racist GOP which most other blacks know is anti-black.
Don't understand why that is. The GOP freed the slaves and gave them the vote. They were instrumental in breaking the filibuster for passage of the Civil Rights bill of the 60's. They under Nixon's leadership implemented affirmative action.
How doers that make them obviously racist.
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<<That is nonsense on it's face. Please tell me how a black man achieving educational and business success is a sell out (or in your analogy a traitor) to his race.>>
I was talking about Cain specifically, not ANY black man who is educated and successful in business. THIS black man, Herman Cain.
He supports the obviously racist GOP which most other blacks know is anti-black. By definition he's helping Whitey to gain the power to deny the blacks what they need to even out the playing field after centuries of racism and discrimination. He explains the position of most blacks towards the GOP by claiming they are "brainwashed."
And there's where your house of cards opinion, falls again and again and again.....your opinion that the GOP is some racist organization (kinda like the south is one big racist region still.)
Red is blue, up is down, you're not racist with your racial surs, but the GOP is, because way back when, racist democrats supposedly joined up with the GOP after the GOP helped to pass the 60's Civil Rights act, that a majority of Democrats didn't support....ergo, template is anything associated with the GOP is by design racist, because Tee has erroneously concluded they are "anti-black".
Completely irrational template, but one that Tee's going to stick with, no matter the facts to the contrary
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<<And there's where your house of cards opinion, falls again and again and again.....your opinion that the GOP is some racist organization (kinda like the south is one big racist region still.) >>
The facts - - the real facts, and not the delusional shit that floats around somewhere in sirs' brain - - are as I stated them. The GOP is a racist bastion, shunned by almost all blacks because of that basic truth and not, as Herman Cain claims, because they are "brainwashed" idiots.
Because it's a racist bastion, GOP needs Uncle Toms, not because their nonsensical writings will convince ANY blacks to vote against their own interests, but rather so that it can present itself to stupid and/or uninformed whites as a non-racist party, since even the closet racists know that racism is a bad thing and prefer not to be openly associated with it. The Uncle Toms provide cover for racist whites to support GOP without seeming to be racists themselves.
Spin all you want, but that is the truth and you cannot get away from it.
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The "real facts" are the ones you continue to ignore, in order to continually justify your ongoing racial slurring & hatred. "Because it's a racist bastian...." ....LOL.....talk about delusional AMBE. But at least it keeps reinforcing the previous point about templates and Tee's need to adhere to it, despite all facts to the contrary
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« Reply #81 on: Today at 07:44:01 AM »Quote<<No room for the individual when it comes to blacks? >>
No room for the individual when it comes to Norwegians?
Traitors are easily recognized by the betrayal of their own people and by their embrace of their own people's enemies. They're commonly despised, as evidenced by their pejorative nicknames.
If calling out an Uncle Tom is an example of anti-black racism, then calling out a quisling is an example of anti-Norwegian racism and calling out a Judas goat is an example of anti-goat racism.
I can't even begin to tell you how lame and stupid your arguments are. They're pathetic. It's just ludicrous that REAL racists who support the GOP and its racist aims think that they have the right to insult real anti-racists like myself by calling us racists. It's just so dumb that even though I resolve not to involve myself in this stupidity any longer, I just can't resist pointing out its dumbness every time it comes up.
Here are some basic facts for you to consider: that the GOP is a racist organization is painfully obvious from the fact that despite its outlandish and over-the-top use of Uncle Tom tokens, the overwhelming majority of blacks are not fooled by their bullshit or by their Toms and persist in voting Democratic. The only explanation for this that the GOP can offer is the egregious Herman Cain's suggestion that they are brainwashed. Too fucking dumb to know where their own interests lie. But I'M the "racist." LMFAO
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<< If Black is a group and white is a group , why does anyone have a problem with Nathan Bedford Forrest , who wasn't doing the Quisling thing. He thought he was doing what his group needed.>>
Leave it to a Southerner to be totally oblivious to the difference between a group's legitimate aspirations to equality and social justice on the one hand and OTOH, a group's desire to subjugate and oppress another group and totally disrespect their legitimate aspirations to justice and equality.
If you really don't know the difference by now, plane, I am afraid that nobody can help you.
I don't see you being anti racist as being anti white racist. All other flavors seem to pass your inspection.
It is strange to assume Republicans are enemys of Black persons , the party was founded in abolition and never needed a 180 as the Democrats had to do.
Democrats generally appeal more to poor and poorly educated, ironicly also they appeal a lot to the ivy leager, I think there is a notion amoung some of the highly educated that they have noblese oblige or whitemans burden.
There are more and more Black people in the middle class and higher , these guys are poorly served by Democrats and remain only in case of self sacrificing loyalty.
The best Republican plan is to stay the course and produce an ever increaseing cadre of well educated and moneyed Black voters , but not to over do it such that they start produceing a lot of black guys that feel the whitemans burden.