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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 04:04:23 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 04:07:00 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 04:11:24 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 04:13:19 PM »
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 04:20:11 PM »
Get a mans car, We We, you little whimp. Enjoy the oil while we still have it.


http://www.cargurus.com/images/2009/06/06/22/19/2009-lexus-ls-460-pic-18545.jpeg

I average 17 mpg around town, and 23 on the highway, in mine, and it's worth every drop of gas I put in it.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 04:30:45 PM »
Get a mans car, We We, you little whimp. Enjoy the oil while we still have it.


http://www.cargurus.com/images/2009/06/06/22/19/2009-lexus-ls-460-pic-18545.jpeg

I average 17 mpg around town, and 23 on the highway, in mine, and it's worth every drop of gas I put in it.

While you sit in traffic, scratching you phantom limb, my car qualifies for the Car Pool Lane. And brother that is a real time saver. Hey Chester, what makes you think I own just one car? Notice I said OWN.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2010, 04:49:39 PM »
<<Michael, the naiveté necessary to believe that is something I lost a long time ago. I suppose next you'll tell me Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real.>>

Get back to me when you've developed an argument that's a little less childish, Prince.




<<Adult male bovine excrement. For one, the capitalist system does not govern.>>

You're nit-picking to no avail, Prince.  The capitalist system in a sham democracy like yours gives the plutocracy the means to buy the people who appear to govern.

<< For another, capitalism allows the people to determine their own interests and what works for them. >>

ROTFLMFAO.  And you're comparing MY beliefs to belief in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?  THAT is hilarious.

<<The notion that the people need someone else, who is only a person or group of persons no better than the rest of the people, to tell them what is their best interests is arrogance and folly.>>

Take out that "no better than the rest of the people," turn it around in your hands long enough to examine it from every angle.  Maybe then you'll see where you went wrong.  You don't just JOIN the CP like one joins the Democrats or the Republicans, it's an elite group that you APPLY for membership in.  And the people at the top of the hierarchy have worked their way up there, though the apparat.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2010, 05:40:44 PM »

<<Michael, the naiveté necessary to believe that is something I lost a long time ago. I suppose next you'll tell me Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real.>>

Get back to me when you've developed an argument that's a little less childish, Prince.


I might, when you develop an argument worthy of something more. This nonsense that a socialist government "has the people's best interests in its heart at all times" is far more childish than anything I've said. A socialist government, like all governments, has interest in power in its heart at all times.


The capitalist system in a sham democracy like yours gives the plutocracy the means to buy the people who appear to govern.


No, it does not. The sham democracy does that by peddling power and influence to the corporations. Don't confuse corporatism with capitalism.


<< For another, capitalism allows the people to determine their own interests and what works for them. >>

ROTFLMFAO.  And you're comparing MY beliefs to belief in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?  THAT is hilarious.


Laugh all you like. It's true, Michael. Capitalism leaves the determination of one's own best interest up to the individual. No, unlike socialism/communism it does not offer some pipe dream plan to make achieving those interests easy, but then, it shouldn't.


<<The notion that the people need someone else, who is only a person or group of persons no better than the rest of the people, to tell them what is their best interests is arrogance and folly.>>

Take out that "no better than the rest of the people," turn it around in your hands long enough to examine it from every angle.  Maybe then you'll see where you went wrong.  You don't just JOIN the CP like one joins the Democrats or the Republicans, it's an elite group that you APPLY for membership in.  And the people at the top of the hierarchy have worked their way up there, though the apparat.


Than you for illustrating the arrogance that is one of the major flaws of communism/socialism. I know the people in the Communist Party want to believe they're better than everyone else, but that doesn't make it so. One has to apply to work for Apple or Harvard or Mensa too, and the people at the top of those groups have worked their way up, but that doesn't mean they're better people than the rest of us or are in any way qualified to determine what are the best interests of the rest of us. Yes, the dean of Harvard might know more than the head of the plumbing business, but no one with a modicum of sense is going to call the dean of Harvard when the toilet is clogged. They're all just people. Just human beings. They are not more perfect or more moral or more righteous than the rest of us. That goes for communists and socialists and members of the CP too.
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2010, 06:05:01 PM »
For the record, We We, I didn't start anything. I simply pointed to the troubles that Toyota is having with some of its models in a joking manor. And, I didn't call you We We in that post either, We We. You, however, being the whimp that you are, needed to reply using a personal slur.

Further, I don't know why you're talking about your car pool lane, I live in Boston. Your excuse for driving an old lady's car doesn't apply to me.

Further still, I hope you OWN more then one car, or do you keep your wife in the house, covered in a veil, and over the stove, like your counterparts in the Muslim world?

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2010, 07:09:15 PM »
<<No, it does not. The sham democracy does that by peddling power and influence to the corporations. Don't confuse corporatism with capitalism.>>

You are so naive.  The sham democracy seeks out innocent businessmen to corrupt.  Hey, mister, wanna buy some influence?  You are living in a dreamworld and nothing will wake you out of it.  Capital relentlessly pursues every advantage it can, and the ethic of competition means that the unethical will always buy influence over the ethical.  You make up little fictions totally divorced from reality but anyone who lives in the real world and interacts with real businessmen and real politicians knows you are peddling bullshit.

<<Than you for illustrating the arrogance that is one of the major flaws of communism/socialism. I know the people in the Communist Party want to believe they're better than everyone else, but that doesn't make it so. One has to apply to work for Apple or Harvard or Mensa too, and the people at the top of those groups have worked their way up, but that doesn't mean they're better people than the rest of us or are in any way qualified to determine what are the best interests of the rest of us. Yes, the dean of Harvard might know more than the head of the plumbing business, but no one with a modicum of sense is going to call the dean of Harvard when the toilet is clogged. They're all just people. Just human beings. They are not more perfect or more moral or more righteous than the rest of us. That goes for communists and socialists and members of the CP too>>

How the hell you can confuse unplugging a toilet with running a country beats the hell out of me, but I guess it's par for the course.  The ethic of communism is service to communist ideals, so the development of huge personal wealth, being antithetical to the ideal AND easy to spot, can not last.   OTOH, as soon as communism was abolished in the U.S.S.R. you DID see an epidemic of thievery and corrutption break out which resulted in the enormous enrichment of some, beyond anything ever seen before in that country, plus all the usual "benefits" of capitalism - - joblessness, homelessness, gangs of homeless youth, parasitism and a rapid drop in the longevity of the people.  If your theories are nonsense and you can't see that, at least take a look at the real world around you and try to learn from THAT.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2010, 07:26:58 PM »
For the record, We We, I didn't start anything. I simply pointed to the troubles that Toyota is having with some of its models in a joking manor. And, I didn't call you We We in that post either, We We. You, however, being the whimp that you are, needed to reply using a personal slur.

Further, I don't know why you're talking about your car pool lane, I live in Boston. Your excuse for driving an old lady's car doesn't apply to me.

Further still, I hope you OWN more then one car, or do you keep your wife in the house, covered in a veil, and over the stove, like your counterparts in the Muslim world?

Chester you said "May your accelerator pedal get stuck" which if you know why the recall happened is because an accelerator pedal got stuck on a Lexus owned by a CHP guy and him and a couple of his family members died as a result so I interpreted your stupid comment to mean you wished me dead which surely is what you meant. But if you want a truce to the feud I'm certainly more than willing. In the meantime eat-shit you ugly bitch.

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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2010, 08:14:49 PM »
"May your accelerator pedal get stuck"

what a hateful statement



Fatal crash continues to raise questions

August 31, 2009



SAN DIEGO: A fiery crash that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members continues to raise questions as investigators try to determine whether their loaner car's accelerator stuck and what if anything could have prevented Friday's tragedy.

The 2009 Lexus ES 350 came from Bob Baker Lexus El Cajon, where CHP officer Mark Saylor of Chula Vista had dropped off his regular vehicle for servicing.

Toyota, which makes Lexus cars, had recalled the all weather floor mats in its 2008 version of that car model because of complaints about them sliding forward and jamming the accelerator. A sales manager at Bob Baker Lexus said he wasn't sure which mats were in the Lexus loaned to Saylor.

On Monday, Toyota issued a statement saying the company is deeply sorry to hear about the Saylor incident.

We are unable to comment on this tragic accident until all the facts are known, the statement said. ?It is important to avoid speculation and allow any investigation to run its course.

It's not known whether Saylor, a 19-year CHP officer whose job entails vehicle safety inspections, tried to shut off the engine or put the car in neutral the two most common ways to slow down a vehicle with a stuck accelerator.

Car experts said it's not always that simple.

An electrical or mechanical failure could have made it impossible to shift into neutral, said Daniel Vomhof III, a vehicle accident reconstructionist with La Mesa-based Expert Witness Services.

Shutting off the engine also can be tricky because most modern vehicles will then lock the steering wheel, leaving the driver unable to steer, Vomhof said.

Asked if drivers have a third option, he replied: Pray a lot.

Another complication: A report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration found that some Lexus drivers with stuck accelerators tried to turn off the car with the engine control button but didn't know the button must be held for three seconds.

The agency's researchers recorded seven crashes, 12 injuries and 40 complaints involving the recalled floor mats in Toyota vehicles.

They also said that when the throttle pedal is fully open unintentionally, some drivers react by hitting the brakes multiple times. This action depletes the vehicle's vacuum-based power assist, and without that assistance, the brakes must be applied with much more force. Continued driving in that manner can result in overheating the brakes, further diminishing their effectiveness.

Toyota acknowledged the complaints and created new instructions for installing the mats properly. There have been no recalls of the 2009 ES 350, the traffic safety administration said.

On Friday, someone in the Saylors' Lexus called 911 just after 6:30 p.m. to report the stuck accelerator. Witnesses said the car was traveling northbound on state Route 125 in Santee at more than 100 mph when it entered a T-intersection with Mission Gorge Road.

The vehicle slammed into the rear end of a Ford Explorer and then plowed over a curb and through a fence before hitting an embankment and going airborne. It rolled several times before stopping and bursting into flames in the nearby San Diego River basin.

The CHP said those killed were Saylor, 45; his wife, Cleofe, 45; his daughter, Mahala, 13; and his brother-in-law, Chris Lastrella, 38.

The accident was a wake-up call for some Lexus owners.

Marcelle Khalil of Del Mar, a pharmacist who drives a 2006 Lexus GS 300, said she had a problem with her accelerator two weeks ago. It stuck as she drove into her employer's parking lot and she narrowly missed a truck before slamming into a curb.

Khalil said she was positive she didn't step on the gas instead of the brake, but began to doubt herself until she read about the Saylors.

This could happen to anybody,? she said. ?I'm scared to drive my car.

Blair Carter, a sales manager at Bob Baker Lexus, said "our hearts sunk when we heard" about Friday's accident.

He said the vehicle had a double redundant fail-safe system that should have shut the car off if there were a major malfunction, and that he had never heard of a situation in which the accelerator was stuck and the car couldn't be stopped.

I would get in any of our cars today with my family and drive to Maine, Carter said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/aug/31/bn31chp-lexus-crash/
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2010, 08:31:11 PM »
How the hell you can confuse unplugging a toilet with running a country beats the hell out of me, but I guess it's par for the course.  ......



This brings up one of my most fravoriatest quotes.


John W. Gardner:
The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2010, 08:33:59 PM »

You are so naive.  The sham democracy seeks out innocent businessmen to corrupt.  Hey, mister, wanna buy some influence?


Not what I said.


Capital relentlessly pursues every advantage it can,


Capital does nothing of the sort. Are you even paying attention to what you're saying?


and the ethic of competition means that the unethical will always buy influence over the ethical.


Only if someone is willing to sell it. And governments intent on control are always willing to sell it in one form or another.


You make up little fictions totally divorced from reality but anyone who lives in the real world and interacts with real businessmen and real politicians knows you are peddling bullshit.


They're not my fictions. I'm not making things up. And if you're going to deny the existence of influence peddling by the government, you've got no room to accuse anyone else of being divorced from reality.


How the hell you can confuse unplugging a toilet with running a country


I didn't. You missed the point.


The ethic of communism is service to communist ideals, so the development of huge personal wealth, being antithetical to the ideal AND easy to spot, can not last.   OTOH, as soon as communism was abolished in the U.S.S.R. you DID see an epidemic of thievery and corrutption break out which resulted in the enormous enrichment of some, beyond anything ever seen before in that country, plus all the usual "benefits" of capitalism - - joblessness, homelessness, gangs of homeless youth, parasitism and a rapid drop in the longevity of the people.


And now you apparently expect me to believe in the USSR the government was entirely ethical and free from corruption. You're just ranting complete nonsense now. Russia faced huge problems with the collapse of communism because the government was still trying to control everything, and it only exacerbated the problems they were already facing.


If your theories are nonsense and you can't see that, at least take a look at the real world around you and try to learn from THAT.


That is like a drunkard telling a teetotaler to stay away from booze.
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Re: The Chavez Meltdown!
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2010, 09:25:01 PM »
A 19 year old CHP and he didn't even know how to handle an emergency. Probably related to We We the Whimp. I had an accelerator stick on me in a Ford, going into a 4 way intersection, when I was about 20. I reached down, pulled the accelerator back up, and came to a nice easy stop at the intersection. Not a big deal.