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3DHS / Re: Pattern Recognition
« on: June 25, 2010, 12:25:06 PM »
<<As radical as this sounds, I think the person holding supreme power over the military should have some military experience.>>

The Constitution says otherwise, and the electorate seems to follow the Constitution.  Nothing prevents a civilian President from appointing military aides who can guide him through the technicalities.  If the Prez is halfway bright, he should be able, with some good, solid advice, to size up the situation and manage it appropriately.  FDR didn't do too bad a job of managing his war, despite his lack of military experience, while JFK, LBJ and Nixon, all with some military experience, collectively did a standup job of starting, totally fucking up and then losing the Viet Nam War.

The Constitution does not dictate whether or not a person who is in power should have military experience.  It is not a requirement, but that doesn't make it a bad idea.

And we did not militarily lose Vietnam.  We have, in fact, not military lost any war.  Korea and Vietnam were both cease fires brought about by political dischord in our own country, not because our military was inept.

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3DHS / Re: Second generation in the Saloon
« on: June 25, 2010, 12:04:19 PM »
I love dogs.  My roommate has a golden retriever at his house that he's raised from a puppy named Buckstein. 

We used to have a black lab (I think it was a lab).  Can't remember his name for the life of me, but I think it was Sparky.  Anyways when I was about six I got caught up in the dogs chain and almost choked to death.  So I'm surprised that I like dogs as much as I do.

Why not?  The dog did nothing. IT WAS THE CHAIN!!   REGISTER CHAINS!!!  BAN CHAINS!!!!   

Oops, sorry.  i was channeling a second-amendment opponent for a sec there . . .

Chains don't kill people.  Dogs on chains kill people.   ::)

And speaking of the second ammendment, my favorite quote ever:

"Guns don't kill people.  3/4 inch holes in the head kill people."

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3DHS / Re: Pattern Recognition
« on: June 25, 2010, 12:02:50 PM »

That is demonstrably true, but hardly an indicator of anything other than fortuitous geographical dispersion of talent for the South.   Had Lee and Jackson lived a little farther north, the war would have been shorter and they both would have been fine Presidents.  Lincoln would have been defeated in 1864, forgotten and lived to a ripe old age.  And slavery would have lasted several more decades.  But if a bullfrog had wings . . .


It didn't hurt that the Confederates were fighting on their land.  Although (and I'll grant this is off-topic and probably belongs in a separate thread) I hear numerous people from both political sides that slavery was already on its way out though they grant it would have still probably lasted up until around 1900.

Though you say decades so...

On-Topic:  Given that there are really only two political parties that have ever held power since the civil war, this could simply be coincidence.  I'll admit the only general-presidential disagreement I know many details about is the current one.

But I will say this much: At the very least Carter, Clinton and from what I can tell Obama appear to have questionable concepts of how the military works and how to be effective military leaders.  As radical as this sounds, I think the person holding supreme power over the military should have some military experience.


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3DHS / Re: McChrystal fired.....Obama picks Petraeus for Afghanistan
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:51:26 AM »
Thanks for the welcome!   :)

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3DHS / Re: Second generation in the Saloon
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:42:47 AM »
I love dogs.  My roommate has a golden retriever at his house that he's raised from a puppy named Buckstein. 

We used to have a black lab (I think it was a lab).  Can't remember his name for the life of me, but I think it was Sparky.  Anyways when I was about six I got caught up in the dogs chain and almost choked to death.  So I'm surprised that I like dogs as much as I do.

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3DHS / Re: McChrystal fired.....Obama picks Petraeus for Afghanistan
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:38:55 AM »
In the greater scheme of things this does not bode well for Obama, not at all. In the back of all Americans minds we wonder why did this happen? Why would a high ranking general do such a thing? I think there is something going on here that isn't obvious but will become clearer over time. Clearly many people in the military don't respect Obama. Clearly Obama treats our enemies better than he treats our nations allies. Maybe Obama looks at our nations friends as his enemies and our nations enemy as his friends. Just look at Israel.

You won't get any argument from me that Obama doesn't know how to run a military.  In the great scheme of things he will definitely get political backlash from this, but hasn't ever man who ever took the office and made any kind of political decision.

It's true it might have been better for his image to forgive the General, but that would set a dangerous precedent.  And frankly I am more concerned with a breakdown in military discipline than I am with a single man's reputation.

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Clearly Obama sees his opposition, like Conservatives, as his TRUE enemy, yet in this case Obama isn't nice to them. Obama uses derogatory terms like Tea Bagger to describe people in a movement that apposes his policies. It's personal to him, where is with the Tea Party it's about policy and keeping our country safe & free. We all know what Tea Bagging means, now, although most of us did not know until Obama started regularly using that nasty term to describe people that oppose his policies and ideological views. In the end, a good general is replaced by another good general and life goes on.

But that is a right that he has as a civilian.  Soldiers do not have this same right... or at least it is severely limited.

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But for Obama more doubts than ever exist about his maturity and qualifications to be president. More people are disrespecting Obama these days and it has became glaringly evident that not only is Obama inept but the people surrounding him are inept as well.  So there are two schools of thought, 1. keep the general in place and move on or 2. replace the general. My view is most people think Obama let the general go because he had to in order to maintain the civilian control of the military and hs authority over them. I think he let the general go because he is thin-skinned and needs to look like a tough guy that kicks ass. This situation was a losing proposition altogether for Obama, anyway you slice it. And his poll numbers reflect that.

Again, no arguments here.

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I hope this general comes forward and becomes a candidate in 2012 and runs against Obama. I hope this is the bigger picture here that we aren't seeing now. Jimmy Carter celebrates Obama because he knows that Obama makes him look good. Bad for the nation but good for Jimmy.

If so he wouldn't get my vote.  His actions were just as petty and foolish.  If he shows such a blatant disregard for military protocol, then can we trust him with the laws of the land?

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Don't ever forget that the one and only reason Obama was elected POTUS boils down to he looks black and talks white.

I think this is a little oversimplified, but I think that the people who are saying that race had no bearing on the election are wrong for the same reason.  Race definitely played a role.  How many people were quoted as saying they would vote for Obama on the sole basis that he was black?  I remember hearing at least 20 different people saying that on local news channels.

But to assume that the man did not have other traits that the Democrats were looking for would be just as wrong.

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3DHS / Re: McChrystal fired.....Obama picks Petraeus for Afghanistan
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:14:50 AM »
So... mom knows you're on here, RIGHT?  :D

Don't make me whack your nose with a newspaper, Pup! 

Lol.  We're off to a promising start already.  Don't worry, we're protected by M.A.D. when it comes to telling secrets, :P.

I don't dare try to guess what that acronym might stand for

Well when I was a kid it stood for Major Allowance Denial.  :D

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3DHS / Re: McChrystal fired.....Obama picks Petraeus for Afghanistan
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:08:24 AM »
So... mom knows you're on here, RIGHT?  :D

Don't make me whack your nose with a newspaper, Pup! 

Lol.  We're off to a promising start already.  Don't worry, we're protected by M.A.D. when it comes to telling secrets, :P.

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3DHS / Re: The ACLU gets one right
« on: June 25, 2010, 11:03:42 AM »
Okay maybe Kilmer's comments were foolish, I particularly have a problem with the alleged Vietnam comment.

But the idea that somebody's civil liberties are going to be violated unless they apologize?  Unbelievably unconstitutional.  Freedom of speech is designed to protect people who want to spout idiocies all day long and not be harangued for it (this particularly bothers me when it comes to the KKK and WBC, but in the immortal words of Voltaire: "I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it."  At least I think it was Voltaire...)

Ironically if their concern was for the image of New Mexico this is undoubtedly going to backfire.  This is petty nonsense. 

I realize anecdotal evidence is a debating taboo, but I'm currently dealing with the kind of person who demands apologies and basically for you to bow at his feet for forgiveness.  They speak of "not being intimidated".  Well I'm glad that Mr. Kilmer was not intimidated.

Good job, ACLU.

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3DHS / Re: Second generation in the Saloon
« on: June 25, 2010, 10:54:49 AM »
Oh yeah I almost forgot about those people.  

If you can imagine I was actually much more opinionated back then.  Somehow when I was in middle/high school I was much more politically incensed.  The only demons I try to slay nowadays are reverse racism and the general overabundance of PC [Politcal Correctness, I'm not a Mac User :D].  Everything else I'm prone to seeing both sides on.  

Which makes it really hard to have a blind fury about something >:(.

Oh FYI, and from what I can see my dad does this too, I love humor more than any political debate.  

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3DHS / Re: McChrystal fired.....Obama picks Petraeus for Afghanistan
« on: June 25, 2010, 10:49:33 AM »
I'm going to have to side with Miss Henny on this one.  McChrystal is a far superior gent and man than Obama, but Obama is his CnC.  McCrystal is to either abide by his commanders decisions, or request a transfer, or resign if he truely doesn't support them.  Criticising the CnC, while still in charge, undermines both morale and objectives

I fully support and would believe McChrsytal's assessment and criticisms of Obama, Biden, etc.  But he needed to vent those words in another venue/format, outside of his roll as head of military operations, in Afghanistan.


Sirs, I think you hit the nail exactly on the head.

Well, obviously you must have the hots for Miss Henny then       ;)



Well, geez, who WOULDN'T?  ;)

So... mom knows you're on here, RIGHT?  :D

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Maybe she was running from Al Gore . . .

Or Manbearpig. 


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I don't know.  I'd have to see the video to really understand. (lol, jk).

As for whether or not this is a red herring from other debates, I don't know.  It's not my place to judge a person's motivation.

Although really is there a case for the woman?  She stole a car and wrecked a police cruiser and was tasered?  I understand lately there have been numerous cases of blatant police brutality, but I would say that in a situation like this I can't really blame them. 

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3DHS / Re: McChrystal fired.....Obama picks Petraeus for Afghanistan
« on: June 25, 2010, 02:08:30 AM »
Barring an Introductions forum I'll go ahead an introduce myself on the debate that led me to DebateGate.

Hi.  I'm Stray Pup:  Stray Pooch's son.  I'm 22, work at a hotel, if I had to choose a party I'd say Republican, although I don't necessarily bow to every policy the party puts forth. In other words I have a mind of my own.

Regarding this debate, I agree with my father word for word.  I realize this is a dangerous precedent to set, but it seems fairly straightforward to me.  This is not a debate where we need to be concerned about who is the "better man", whose side is more valid or anything like that. 

This is simple "word of law".  The man was a military official, it was his duty to uphold these customs and instead he completely ignored them.  I'm not without sympathy for him, I'm certainly not a fan of Obama, but still he is (whether we like it or not) the Commander-In-Chief and must be shown the proper respect.

FYI:  My dad has little room to talk.  Remember when that MP busted you for having the "Stupid Is As Clinton Does" Bumper Sticker, lol :P?

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