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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on October 06, 2006, 02:35:27 AM
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"I would say, go back and look at any presidential speech in the last year and the discussion of the fact that this is very tough going is in there," Rice said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061006/ap_on_re_mi_ea/rice
Who ever promised a rose garden?
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Good point. Politics is a rough business.
In the local race, the incumbent, Jim Marshall, was not using negative campaign ads. His handlers must have noticed an unfortunate voter change, because now he is as well....sigh.
The sad part is that it apparently works. A societal dysfunctionality, I presume.
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How do you like the Perdue ads?
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I really liked the positive ones early on in the campaigm, especailly the "sonnydo" ones. lol...great idea! www.sonnydo.com
Lately, however, some of his ads are slamming Taylor....aargh.
Not sure why he bothered as his numbers are very high, but...
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I think even the Taylor slamming ones are nicely done. Taylor probably made some inroads with the land tax issue.
I think Mary Perdue is Sonny's secret weapon.
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I really do not believe most voters give a ---- about the land deal. They care about how secure they feel.
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What security issues has the gubernatorial campaign addressed.
Although, come to think of it, at least for this football season, i would have liked tighter border security with Tennessee.
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lol...
by secure, I mean "are they employed, is their family happy and well-fed" and so on.
I doubt that issues like the scumbag Foley and Perdue's land deal mean very much to most.
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by secure, I mean "are they employed, is their family happy and well-fed" and so on.
I'm pretty sure a lot are well fed , judging by observations at the local wal-mart.
Though to Sonny's credit he has dropped about 60 lbs in the last year. Leadership by example, i think it is called.
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Well, I need to lose alot more than that, I'm afraid. I try, but...
Did you say you had a heart attack? I am apparently healthy, but...
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Did you say you had a heart attack?
Three of them.
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cause? if it is too personal, i understand.
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The immediate cause was blocked arteries.
Secondary causes were high blood pressure, carrying around about 40 extra pounds, a desktop driven lifestyle, borderline diabetes and a youth that was spent living extremely hard.
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http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650196500,00.html
Plane, I got an error message when I clicked on that link in your post.
By the way, this wasn't regarding politics. Rice was talking about the Iraq war, and yes, we were promised that people will shower us with candy and rose petals, it would all be paid for by Iraqi oil money, and we'd be out in 6 weeks.
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.....we'd be out in 6 weeks
Source?
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http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650196500,00.html
Plane, I got an error message when I clicked on that link in your post.
By the way, this wasn't regarding politics. Rice was talking about the Iraq war, and yes, we were promised that people will shower us with candy and rose petals, it would all be paid for by Iraqi oil money, and we'd be out in 6 weeks.
We were promised this by who?
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Let's see...Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Rumsfeld, in order, I think.
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Are you saying Rumsfeld said we would be out of Iraq in 6 weeks?
Do you have an actual quote in context?
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washingtonpost.com
Upbeat Tone Ended With War
Officials' Forecasts Are Questioned
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 29, 2003; Page A01
The moment the first shots were fired last week in the war against Iraq, the Bush administration pivoted sharply to dampen public expectations of the military operation.
In the months preceding the war, President Bush was largely silent on the subject of the conflict's cost, duration and dangers, while key administration officials and advisers presented upbeat forecasts. Vice President Cheney, for example, predicted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's troops would "step aside" and that the conflict would be "weeks rather than months," a phrase repeated by other top officials. Others in advisory roles in the administration predicted Iraqi soldiers would "throw in the towel" and Hussein would collapse like "a house of cards" -- phrases senior administration officials often echoed in private.
But when Bush announced the war on March 19, he offered a warning that has been echoed throughout the administration in the 10 days since: "A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict." Speaking to veterans yesterday, he warned again that "the fierce fighting currently underway will demand further courage and further sacrifice."
That assessment, combined with unexpected resistance facing coalition forces in Iraq, has produced a torrent of questions in recent days about whether the White House played down the costs of the conflict until it was underway. According to a new CBS News poll, 55 percent of Americans say the country underestimated Iraqi resistance, while 37 percent disagree.
Bush administration officials say it is far too early to dismiss the upbeat predictions. Indeed, just as early doubts about progress in Kosovo and Afghanistan were dispelled, Hussein's government could still collapse within weeks, and Iraqis could celebrate the U.S. "liberation" of their country.
Administration officials now say they were frank about the dangers all along. But in the months leading up to the war, top administration officials offered a number of forecasts that accentuated the positive.
On CBS's "Face the Nation" on March 16, Cheney said the fight would be "weeks rather than months. There's always the possibility of complications that you can't anticipate, but I have great confidence in our troops." Cheney also predicted the fight would "go relatively quickly, but we can't count on that." That same day on NBC's "Meet the Press," Cheney said, "I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." It was then he predicted that the regular Iraqi soldiers would not "put up such a struggle," and that even "significant elements of the Republican Guard . . . are likely to step aside." Asked if Americans are prepared for a "long, costly and bloody battle," Cheney replied: "Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way. . . . The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein, and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that." Cheney has spoken that way for months.
In September 2002, he said that "you always plan for the worst," but he also said, "I don't think it would be that tough a fight; that is, I don't think there's any question that we would prevail." In a speech in August, he cited a scholar's view that "the streets in Basra and Baghdad are sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A44801-2003Mar28?language=printer