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[Christians4LessGvt]

[Plane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/10/02/president-obama-just-identified-the-one-thing-that-could-make-real-gun-reform-possible/

What Obama seems to want to do is drive a wedge between America’s gun owners and the NRA. Is that possible? Maybe, but it would certainly be difficult. What we can say for sure is that nothing would be more terrifying for the NRA.

This author and the President are in for a lot of disappointment , because they do not understand at all what the NRA really is.

Hillary seems to be on a similar idea in a recent speech.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-control_5612b1e3e4b0dd85030cbe0b

Hillary Clinton suggested at a town hall in New Hampshire Monday that "responsible gun owners" should join together to create an alternative to the National Rifle Association.

Nope, she does not know what the NRA is , nor how big it could get if she were campaigning against it.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/02/hillary-clinton-on-n-r-a-s-hold-over-republicans-it-is-sickening-to-me/

A day after the deadly shootings in Oregon, Hillary Rodham Clinton used a campaign appearance here on Friday to begin an impassioned attack on the National Rifle Association and Republican members of Congress who she said did the group’s bidding.
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“It is sickening to me,” she told ................

http://nypost.com/2015/10/05/hillary-clintons-pathetic-gun-control-ideas/

Clinton is risking a fierce backlash. She promises to make her change in the “gun show loophole” through unilateral executive action, a pledge that couldn’t be better designed to activate the NRA.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-makes-big-gun-control-pitch-marking-shift-in-presidential-politics/2015/07/09/4309232c-2580-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

  Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is drawing big crowds, such as Monday’s rally in Portland, Maine, but gun control is an issue on which Hillary Rodham Clinton has a more progressive record. ..........................

Clinton’s comments could stoke millions of politically active gun owners, and Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s executive vice president, argued that the move was fraught with peril for her.

“We’ve been down this road before with the Clintons,” ­La­Pierre said through a spokesman. “She needs to read her husband’s book.”

In his memoir, “My Life,” former president Bill Clinton suggested that his vice president, Al Gore, lost the 2000 presidential election in part because of backlash in states such as...........................
Mark Glaze, a longtime gun-control advocate who until recently oversaw former New York mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s gun-control efforts, argued that Hillary Clinton should embrace her husband’s record.

“The Clintons pulled off the almost-impossible by giving us the background-check system and banning assault weapons,” Glaze said. “That’s something President Obama wasn’t able to do. Their political interest lies in owning, rather than obscuring, that accomplishment.”

Many Democratic strategists said campaigning on guns is smart politics for Hillary Clinton both in the ......

Hehehe. I didn't want Hillary to stand a chance anyway, but if she really stands on the success of the Assault Weapons ban and the success of the proliferation of gun free zones, she isn't just going down, she is sucking down this whole issue.

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In her 2008 presidential campaign, Clinton stayed nearly silent on guns. An exception was after Obama’s “cling to guns” comment surfaced, when she attacked him as being “elitist” and fondly recalled her father teaching her to shoot as a little girl at her grandfather’s Pennsylvania lake house.

Ok , that is a little confusing.
I don't think that she can get on Bernie Sanders left on this one issue, certainly not temporarily, being for one year and against another.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Liechtenstein and  Monaco have a murder rate of 0.0 for 2012
Iceland has a rate of 0.3, Switzerland has double that rate at 0.6

Only male members of the Swiss reserves are required to have a gun in the house. Ammo for army guns is NOT stored in the house.
Snopes gives a rundown of this silly thing.

Snopes rates this thing FALSE.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/hondswitz.asp

[Plane]

Liechtenstein and  Monaco have a murder rate of 0.0 for 2012

How do these countries compare in size to Rode Island?

Lets compare them to Mayberry.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Hong Kong and Japan also have Switzerland beat.

Again, Snopes rates this as FALSE.

[Christians4LessGvt]

SNOPES is often a joke.
They pretend you can't compare the countries mentioned for stupid ass reasons like "land-locked" and "culture".
Ha Ha...
But yet Leftist control freaks that want to ban guns (because they know who we're going to eventually use our guns on)
never seem to care about landlocked or cultural issues when comparing the US to other countries.
Snopes pretends to be some unbiased entity.....it's real name should be JOKES.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Snopes is smarter than you and your entire family put together.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Snopes is smarter than you and your entire family put together.

Nah Nah Nah and my belly is skinnier than yours! 
LOL.....

[sirs]

Notice how so often the left's "response" is rarely substantive to the topic, and more along the lines of personal insults and demeaning references.   As if the effort is not to debate,  but simply shut down any debate

[Plane]

   Perhaps I should not have been as angered at the President as I was, I allowed myself to speak in anger.

    After all what he did and what my response was are close to being the same thing.

   I would like this crisis to be the genesis of an ending to gun free zone traps just as much as he wishes to compose a new version of the Assault weapons ban.


      But there is such a thing as reality.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Perhaps I should not have been as angered at the President as I was

The man has no shame....he even admitted before the facts were in that he was going to politicize this tragedy.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Politicize means to find a political solution, to pass a law. That is what most Americans want him to  do.
There are no solutions to ending massacres that would not involve  some sort of political solution.
Politicians are elected to do politics.

Saying President Obama should be ashamed of politicizing this is like saying that a mechanic should be shamed for using a wrench or a screwdriver.

The right wingers have no solutions.  Abolishing gun free zones really means making them free fire zones, where armed gun nut A can shoot armed gun nut B if he thinks that gnut B is about to go ballistic. That is NOT a solution. It is more mayhem.

[sirs]

You have absolutely no credible leg to stand on in trying to proclaim what Obama should do based on "what most Americans want".  Most Americans never wanted Obamacare.  Most Americans support support abortion restrictions.  Most Americans support stronger border enforcement.  Most Americans support less intrusive Government.  Most Americans support the 2nd amendment.

Obama hadn't even allowed all the bodies to be collected, before he started to politicize the latest tragedy to push measures, THAT WOULD HAVE NOT PREVENTED THIS FROM HAPPENING

The left wingers have no solution.  it's never about solutions to folks like yourself & Obama, its all about pushing an agenda.  We have "free fire zones" all across the country, and you rarely see any mass shootings in them.  It's almost always in a "we're defenseless, come shoot us zone"

[Xavier_Onassis]

It's almost always in a "we're defenseless, come shoot us zone"

Every military base in the country is such a place. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Cost Guardsmen are prohibited from   going about the base with a loaded sidearm or rifle. When they drill with rifles, the rifles are unloaded, unless shooting is being practiced.

Our military men certainly are better trained at using guns safely that the average guy that you think should be strutting about schoolyards and campuses with a loaded weapon.

Is it possible that the generals and admirals know more about guns that you do?

[sirs]

Precisely the point....they occur in DESIGNATED Gun Free zones.  Like holding up a big sign that says come here, if you want to inflict mass casualties.  You don't see these occurring anywhere guns are legally prevelent