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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2015, 11:10:54 AM »
The fact is that  the military is correct in banning guns on bases, and it makes sense to ban them on colleges as well.

Thanks to and your goddamned infernal paranoia, we will all end up having to be patted down, and billed for having to pay for guards.
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« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2015, 12:23:35 PM »
No, the FACT is that shootings where someone is intent on causing the most casualties, are nearly always in a desginated "gun free zone".  THAT's what makes sense to a want-to-be mass killer
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« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2015, 12:34:12 PM »
There have been shooting on bases as well, But there would be far more is everyone were armed.
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« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2015, 01:29:26 PM »
And as you've pointed out, nearly all bases are designated gun free zones.  Thank you for helping to reinforce the point being made
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« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2015, 08:40:29 PM »
It's almost always in a "we're defenseless, come shoot us zone"

Every military base in the country is such a place. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Cost Guardsmen are prohibited from   going about the base with a loaded sidearm or rifle. When they drill with rifles, the rifles are unloaded, unless shooting is being practiced.

Our military men certainly are better trained at using guns safely that the average guy that you think should be strutting about schoolyards and campuses with a loaded weapon.

Is it possible that the generals and admirals know more about guns that you do?

Congress tells the generals what to do.

And yes there have been a few shooters who have taken advantage of the unarmed on military bases.

The fact is that  the military is correct in banning guns on bases, and it makes sense to ban them on colleges as well.

Thanks to and your goddamned infernal paranoia, we will all end up having to be patted down, and billed for having to pay for guards.

Why?

And How?

Does a gun free zone reduce the potential for murder or mass murder?

It doesn't seem to work, and I can't understand expecting it to work.

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« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2015, 12:38:12 AM »
Obviously no sane college is going to tell students that they can carry their guns to class.
The college's insurance will go through thru the roof.

If there is just one shooting by some pistol-packing student after the campus has been declared a "free fire zone" (ie they take down the 'firearms prohibited' sign) then the parents sue, win the case and the college and many others will no longer be able to afford insurance at all. This will happen if it is only some idiot wounding himself, if it makes the papers.

The alternative, of course, it to pat down everyone who enters the campus to make sure no one is packing. And that mean they have to hire guards, and force everyone to come through only  or two gates. This costs money,and either the students, the taxpayers or both will have to pay more.

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« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2015, 03:24:23 AM »
Obviously no sane college is going to tell students that they can carry their guns to class.

Why?  If they're law abiding citizens, and passed all the necessary hurdles to have obtained their CCW, what's the problem??
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« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2015, 09:52:46 AM »
The college is responsible for protecting the students against harm.
If students are harmed due to anything that can be construed as negligence, the colleges ass will be seriously sued.

Normally, colleges have insurance to pay for such lawsuits. The more claims there are, the more the insurance will cost.

Some goofy pistol-packing student is showing his gun to his girlfriend and BANG! irgoes off and hits her in the foot. Now she will be crippled for life. Her career as a dancer is destroyed. Prosthetics are very expensive.  And since the pistol-packing student has no money, the college is responsible for letting this idiot bring his gun to school. The Jury decides that the student would not have brought his pistol to class had there been a "gun free sign"  posted and awards $(fill in the blank).

So that is the problem. Shit happens, the deepest pockets pay.
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« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2015, 12:18:58 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2015, 12:57:20 PM »
The college is responsible for protecting the students against harm.

And students who have gone the extra mile to obtain a CCW ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.  They are literally an added level of protection for the students against harm

Please demonstrate for us the last time someone with a CCW, "went off" and just started shooting up a bunch of people.  Don't worry, we'll wait.  And yes, it has to be an example in THIS country


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« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2015, 03:05:09 PM »
It would not be necessary for some gun nut to go apeshit and kill a bunch of people.

Just ONE accident and ONE lawsuit would cause the insurance to skyrocket.

If a school allows people to carry guns on campus, making it a "free fire zone", then the school is financially actionable  for everything that goes wrong.

This is not something I invented is is what actually happens.
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« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2015, 06:46:01 PM »
So, in other words, you have no examples to pin such outrageous acts on.  News flash, anyone can illegally carry a firearm onto any campus currently.  Where's all the accidental shootings?  Now, where's this proliferation of shootings by CCW holders?  Hmmmmmm?.........  Exactly.  CCW holders aren't the problem.   In fact, they can be an integral solution. ..... if certain leftists could get over their paranoia that guns somehow take over possession of an otherwise normal person, even MORE lives would be saved by a firearm than there is already
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« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2015, 09:50:32 PM »
Obviously no sane college is going to tell students that they can carry their guns to class.
The college's insurance will go through thru the roof.

If there is just one shooting by some pistol-packing student after the campus has been declared a "free fire zone" (ie they take down the 'firearms prohibited' sign)..................................................                   .................................

That is a good idea , but...
Why doesn't this work?

There have been several shootings on campuses after the school has erected "You must remain vulnerable" signs.

  Nobody is so stupid that they erect a sign on their front lawn saying "This is the only house on the block that is not armed". You could not even sell a "gun free zone" placard for home use, everyone in the private world knows better than this.

So when a University erects such a sign , and the result is a very predictable shooting spree, why are not the parents of the dead and wounded getting themselves lawyered up?

  How would a University defend itself in court for doing something so obviously inviting to mayhem?

     This is a fact, fewer than one in one million Americans is deranged enough to shoot up a campus or other public venue in any given year.
      But...!
     Of these few , better than four of five are savvy enough to seek a gun free zone to rampage.

     Be on notice schools of Middle Georgia, If I am on your campus and obeying your rules , my safety becomes your problem to exactly the extent that you remove from me my own responsibility for my safety. If I am wounded by a kook that you have invited with promises of my helplessness You will face a Jury of Georgians to explain it.

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« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2015, 10:21:32 PM »
Well said, Plane     8)
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« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2015, 10:56:17 PM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/gun-sales-hit-a-record-high-for-the-fifth-month-in-a-row/ar-AAffYEt?li=AAa0dzB

    If gun manufacturers are not pro Obama, then they must not care that he is a fountain of profit for them.

      Remington and Norinco should pay President Obama a tip amounting to at least 10% of the increase he is responsible for, a waitress that serves this well would expect more.

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The FBI conducted 1,795,102 firearm background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in September, suggesting gun sales were at an all-time high that month.
 

The number of background checks represents a new record, up more than 20% from the previous September high set in 2012, when 1,459,363 background checks were conducted.

September is also the fifth month in a row to set a record for background checks. May, June, July, and August all saw record numbers.


(Take this with a grain of salt, not every background check represents a sale.)