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3DHS / Refugee Camps Burned in Congo
« on: October 31, 2008, 04:18:20 PM »
DR Congo refugee camps 'burned'

BBC


Congo refugees struggle for aid

The UN says it has credible reports that camps sheltering 50,000 displaced people in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo have been destroyed.

Reports suggest the camps were forcibly emptied and looted before being burned, the UN refugee agency, the UNHCR, said.

Aid groups say they are struggling to reach an estimated 250,000 people in the region fleeing fierce fighting between government and rebel forces.

Intense diplomatic efforts are under way to end the crisis.

A ceasefire is holding in and around Goma, the capital of North Kivu province, but aid agency chiefs say the situation remains highly volatile.

Stampede


Food and water are terribly scarce, and aid agencies have all but stopped work.

The BBC's Orla Guerin witnessed scenes of chaos at a refugee camp in Kibati on the outskirts as Goma, as desperately hungry people stampeded.

Children were trampled underfoot and panicked aid staff were forced to beat back the heaving crowd.

Our correspondent managed to pluck to safety one little girl who was knocked over in the melee and reunite her with her father.

Rebel leader General Laurent Nkunda's forces are positioned some 15km (nine miles) from Goma.

The origin of the ongoing conflict in eastern DR Congo is the 1994 genocide in neighbouring Rwanda.

Gen Nkunda says he is fighting to protect his Tutsi community from attack by Rwandan Hutu rebels, some of whom are accused of taking part in the genocide.

The Congolese government has often promised to stop Hutu forces from using its territory, but has not done so.

There have also been accusations of collusion between DR Congo's army and Hutu guerrillas.

The Congolese government, for its part, has accused Rwanda of backing Gen Nkunda.

Rwanda denies this, but it has twice invaded its much larger neighbour in recent years.



'Extremely unsafe'

The UNHCR said it was very concerned at reports that the camps in Rutshuru, 90km (56 miles) north of Goma, had been destroyed.

"There are some 50,000 people who were in those camps. We don't know where they would be, we're afraid that they may have just dispersed off into the bush," spokesman Ron Redmond said.

Meanwhile, shortages of food and water in Goma are leading thousands of people who sought refuge there to leave, heading to the village of Kibati, about 12km (7 miles) to the north.

The BBC's Peter Greste in Goma says the road from the city is choked with human misery.

For mile after mile, it is full of families bent forward with their lives on their backs: stoves, food, clothes, bedding and children.

"The whole population in Goma, and around Goma are feeling extremely unsafe," Red Cross spokesman Marcal Izard told the BBC.

A Congolese aid worker based in Goma, Godefroid Marhenge, told the BBC that some displaced people were "in desperate need of humanitarian assistance".

Gen Nkunda said on Thursday that he was opening a "humanitarian corridor" for people to return to their homes.

Our correspondent said that instead of an open corridor, he found people hurrying back to Goma.

"Someone has been shooting at us," one breathless woman said. "We can't go any further."

But those who did reach Kibati told the BBC that they had more chance of getting food in the forests and bushes around the village than inside Goma.

Aid workers have begun to distribute water to the new arrivals.

Overstretched peacekeepers

Gen Nkunda has threatened to take Goma unless UN peacekeepers guarantee the ceasefire and security there.

The UN has more than 17,000 peacekeeping troops in DR Congo - the largest UN force in the world - but correspondents say it is struggling to cope with the crisis.

Looting, killings and rapes were reported in the city on Thursday, much of it blamed on retreating Congolese troops.

Meanwhile, intense diplomatic efforts are going on in a bid to maintain the ceasefire:

• The parliament in DR Congo has called on the government to negotiate with Gen Nkunda, although President Joseph Kabila has previously refused to do so

• UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said he is "deeply concerned" about the situation

• EU diplomats meeting in Brussels failed to agree on whether to send troops to back up UN peacekeepers. French FM Bernard Kouchner and his British counterpart, David Miliband, are preparing to travel to the country

• An African Union (AU) Peace and Security Council is to hold crisis talks at AU headquarters in Addis Ababa

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3DHS / Re: Helen Jones-Kelley
« on: October 31, 2008, 03:58:11 PM »
Dreams       
by Langston Hughes

Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.

Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.

Careful Missus,

Langston Hughes was both a homosexual and a Communist (i.e. collectivist). You may be looked upon in a terrible light for associating yourself with the literary work of such a dangerous  and radical individual. ;)

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3DHS / Re: A Joke And What It Reveals
« on: October 31, 2008, 03:50:31 PM »
This would be relevant if Obama were proposing collectivisation.

He is not.

He is proposing a policy change that would remove the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and decrease taxes for the middle income Americans.

That is nothing near socialism, would that it were - I'd love to have a real socialist party in this country, but that isn't likely right now.

This charge of socialism is a falsehood. The charge of collectivization a lie. The article sets up a strawman.

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 06:45:00 PM »
As I said, you go with what makes you feel better, Js.  I'll go with what God clearly demonstrates to me, as it relates to his tolerance of sin.  Hint, it prevents you from entering his kindom.  That's how much a "biggie" it is to him

Do not patronize me Sirs.

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3DHS / Re: Obamas Lead Narrows
« on: October 29, 2008, 06:43:09 PM »
If y'all can make Obama's speech tonight into Neil Kinnock's Sheffield moment, then this race could very well be turned on it's head.

How could we do that?

I think that BHO generally chooses his own words.

Have we been misquoteing him?

No. You're thinking of Biden's plagiarism of Kinnock.

Sheffield was where Kinnock threw a very un-British American-style rally while he was ahead in the polls. The people of the UK disliked it because 1) it was a huge rally with a lot of technology modeled after American political conventions, 2) Kinnock and Labour seemed to basically be celebrating their victory, and 3) it was flashy, foreign, and just not done.

I don't recall a presidential candidate addressing the nation like this, do you?

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 06:36:46 PM »
1 last time....This has zip to do with God's "feelings", so the question is moot

That would be true except that "hatred," "dislike," "ambivalence," are all emotive feelings.

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Now, as it relates to sin, we have a few options
- hate it
- dislike it
- be ambivalent towards it
- like it
- embrace it

And who are you to limit God to five trite, simple options!?!

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Given God's zero tolerance towards sin, I'm going with the 1st option.  Feel free to go with your own

It is more a reflection on you than God.

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 05:15:45 PM »
NO, you didn't make it clear, you gave a typical long-worded lecture-like answer, in an effort to try and cover all bases, minus the clarity requested.  Since it wasn't "knowingly" misrepresenting anything, it's not lying.  Care to clarify, for us simpletons, minus the harvard-like rhetoric?

You're not a simpleton and I'm not a Harvard graduate. My answer was by no means complex. God gave us brains complete with the ability to think. I resent the implication that I "cover-all-bases." I use what I've learned in both experience and knowledge.

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Oy, so you're not referring to sin as something "tangible"??  Taking lessons from Xo I see.  FYI, I referring to spiritual rhetoric & ACTIONS

*sigh*

Actions cannot be literally absorbed. For the love of all that is good and holy, please research the difference between 'literal' and 'figurative.'

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Which explains why I asked for it....because I don't want it.  And like I said, now you know how I feel when you were consistently challenging my faith and what I believe.

I don't mind a challenge to my faith in any way. I relish in the discussion. What I dislike is a constant beating of a strawman after I've repeatedly told you that I did not say what you claim. It is not that difficult. You make quick assumptions then expect the other party to prove them untrue. That is not logical.

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 05:09:15 PM »
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And this is the guy that built hell?

The traditional view of hell is primarily a medieval Christian construct. Gahenna, Sheol, and Hades were quite different from the eternal torture pit of modern belief.

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God hates sin in such an widespread way that calling someone a fool can endanger ones soul for damnation, I think Jesus picked this rather mild sin as one to point at to demonstrate that Gods policy is Zero tolerance of sin.

Here's the problem with your view. It is in the first part of your sentence: "calling someone a fool can endanger ones soul for damnation." Your words imply that one could live a perfect existence and heaven is theirs. You're implying what Pelagius argued - that perfection attains heavenly reward.


I have a question for you and Sirs. Why this need to confine God to such simple human feelings such as hatred?

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 03:48:49 PM »
Lying is exactly what you're doing when you knowingly misrepresent what I believe. I told you what I was taught and what I believe now in the previous post.

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And yes, I do understand what literally means

Quite clearly you do not. Christ literally absorbed adultery through his skin? Huh?



You do not want clarity on what I really think, you would not handle it very well as you're starting to really piss me off.

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 01:27:38 PM »
Sirs, if you aren't going to read what I write then why bother?

Never have I said that "God is ambivalent" towards sin. Never have I said that we "give sin a pass."

If you are going to lie, then what is the point of discussion?  >:(

By the way:

"Christ literally absorbed all our sins"

I think that you should understand what the word "literally" means before you use it.

I'm getting really tired of you misrepresenting my position and absolutely flat out, bald-faced lying Sirs. You keep setting up the same strawman ("love the sin," "embrace the sin") which I have NEVER espoused. Simply because I do not hold to your errant view, does not mean that I must hold to the opposite view.

Now we can have a decent discussion, but you have to stop making false claims as to what I've said.


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3DHS / Re: Obamas Lead Narrows
« on: October 29, 2008, 12:50:56 PM »
If y'all can make Obama's speech tonight into Neil Kinnock's Sheffield moment, then this race could very well be turned on it's head.

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3DHS / Re: My church isn't controversial
« on: October 29, 2008, 12:47:41 PM »

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Sports / Re: How 'Bout Them TITANS?
« on: October 29, 2008, 12:26:37 PM »
When did they give Jacksonville a team? ;)


Manning is a good QB and all, but people in Tennessee would do well to remember that UT won the national title with Tee Martin at the QB slot.

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 12:17:30 PM »
Speaking of strawman, at no time have I ever referenced that God commanded us to hate anyone, including parents.  So I'd appreciate if you stopped that maliscious representation.  So, more to the point, in your sunday school teaching curriculum, what exactly did God want us to do about sin??  If it's not love it, and if its not be ambivalent to it, what exactly were you taught?  Because, Homosexuality IS a sin, in the eyes of God.  So, what were you taught about sin?, besides that everyone does it in 1 way or another, and that Christ made the ultimate sacrifice in removing our sin.

I was speaking of the verse I cited in Luke. I never claimed that you said to "hate" your parents. Christ said it was a necessity to follow Him. Please read.

I attended a fire and brimstone Southern protestant church when I was young enough to go to Sunday school Sirs. An angry, wrathful, hate-filled God in large doses was what I got every Sunday and Wednesday. Litanies of sins, do's and don'ts, can's and cannot's were spouted by with righteous indignation. I did not know any better.

What I learned later is that it is not about what God feels. God is love (1 John 4:8 & 1 John 4:16). The act of incarnation was one of immeasurable humility and infinite love. The act of crucifixion and expiation was one of sacrifice, love, and reconciliation.

Sin is the product of a fallen man. There is no perfection (Pelagius was indeed wrong). More than that, Luther was right - there is nothing a human can do that earns his or her way into heaven. That is why I do not believe the old Baptist door-to-door question "are you saved?" has any merit whatsoever. I believe that conversion is a lifelong process, which is what the Church tells us.

Does God hate sin? The truth is that the question is irrelevant. We can't possibly know the answer with any certainty. Sin injures our relationship with God and mortal sin may cause a permanent impediment to that relationship. That is why we have reconciliation.

It is similar to the question: will I get into heaven? It shouldn't matter. You should love God for the sake of loving God and following Christ. Let Him worry about your afterlife. 

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3DHS / Re: The Truth, the Whole Truth And. . .
« on: October 29, 2008, 11:25:26 AM »
By the way:

The seven vices in Proverbs 6 (pride, lying, murder, intrigue, readiness to do evil, false witness, and the stirring up of discord) have nothing to do with homosexuality. So even if I submit that this verse means exactly what it says - you and Sirs have still gone beyond its meaning and extended God's hatred beyond scriptural bounds. Have you not?

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