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Pilger - War on Iran by April
« on: February 03, 2007, 05:17:24 PM »
I've got a really sick feeling in the pit of my stomack that this guy knows what he is talking about.  I just can't imagine, with all the horrors of the Iraq war still playing out in front of our eyes that these sick criminal fucking bastards are planning another one as we speak, but I just know that this is true.  Pilger has got this one nailed.

Nobody can stop this coming.  Jesus Christ, what a fucking world.  What a fucking country.




February 3, 2007
Iran: A War Is Coming
 
by John Pilger
The United States is planning what will be a catastrophic attack on Iran. For the Bush cabal, the attack will be a way of "buying time" for its disaster in Iraq. In announcing what he called a "surge" of American troops in Iraq, George W. Bush identified Iran as his real target. "We will interrupt the flow of support [to the insurgency in Iraq] from Iran and Syria," he said. "And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."

"Networks" means Iran. "There is solid evidence," said a State Department spokesman on 24 January, "that Iranian agents are involved in these networks and that they are working with individuals and groups in Iraq and are being sent there by the Iranian government." Like Bush's and Blair's claim that they had irrefutable evidence that Saddam Hussein was deploying weapons of mass destruction, the "evidence" lacks all credibility. Iran has a natural affinity with the Shi'ite majority of Iraq, and has been implacably opposed to al-Qaeda, condemning the 9/11 attacks and supporting the United States in Afghanistan. Syria has done the same. Investigations by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and others, including British military officials, have concluded that Iran is not engaged in the cross-border supply of weapons. General Peter Pace, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said no such evidence exists.

As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, "neocon" fanatics such as Vice President Cheney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring. For public consumption, there are potent myths. In concert with Israel and Washington's Zionist and fundamentalist Christian lobbies, the Bushites say their "strategy" is to end Iran's nuclear threat. In fact, Iran possesses not a single nuclear weapon nor has it ever threatened to build one; the CIA estimates that, even given the political will, Iran is incapable of building a nuclear weapon before 2017, at the earliest.

Unlike Israel and the United States, Iran has abided by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, of which it was an original signatory and has allowed routine inspections under its legal obligations – until gratuitous, punitive measures were added in 2003, at the behest of Washington. No report by the International Atomic Energy Agency has ever cited Iran for diverting its civilian nuclear program to military use. The IAEA has said that for most of the past three years its inspectors have been able to "go anywhere and see anything." They inspected the nuclear installations at Isfahan and Natanz on 10 and 12 January and will return on 2 to 6 February. The head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei, says that an attack on Iran will have "catastrophic consequences" and only encourage the regime to become a nuclear power.

Unlike its two nemeses, the US and Israel, Iran has attacked no other countries. It last went to war in 1980 when invaded by Saddam Hussein, who was backed and equipped by the US, which supplied chemical and biological weapons produced at a factory in Maryland. Unlike Israel, the world's fifth military power with thermonuclear weapons aimed at Middle East targets, an unmatched record of defying UN resolutions and the enforcer of the world's longest illegal occupation, Iran has a history of obeying international law and occupies no territory other than its own.

The "threat" from Iran is entirely manufactured, aided and abetted by familiar, compliant media language that refers to Iran's "nuclear ambitions," just as the vocabulary of Saddam's non-existent WMD arsenal became common usage. Accompanying this is a demonizing that has become standard practice. As Edward Herman has pointed out, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, "has done yeoman service in facilitating this"; yet a close examination of his notorious remark about Israel in October 2005 reveals its distortion. According to Juan Cole, American professor of Modern Middle East History, and other Farsi language analysts, Ahmadinejad did not call for Israel to be "wiped off the map." He said, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." This, says Cole, "does not imply military action or killing anyone at all." Ahmadinejad compared the demise of the Jerusalem regime to the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The Iranian regime is repressive, but its power is diffuse and exercised by the mullahs, with whom Ahmadinejad is often at odds. An attack would surely unite them.

The one piece of "solid evidence" is the threat posed by the United States. An American naval buildup in the eastern Mediterranean has begun. This is almost certainly part of what the Pentagon calls CONPLAN 8022, which is the aerial bombing of Iran. In 2004, National Security Presidential Directive 35, entitled Nuclear Weapons Deployment Authorization, was issued. It is classified, of course, but the presumption has long been that NSPD 35 authorized the stockpiling and deployment of "tactical" nuclear weapons in the Middle East. This does not mean Bush will use them against Iran, but for the first time since the most dangerous years of the cold war, the use of what were then called "limited" nuclear weapons is being openly discussed in Washington. What they are debating is the prospect of other Hiroshimas and of radioactive fallout across the Middle East and Central Asia. Seymour Hersh disclosed in the New Yorker last year that American bombers "have been flying simulated nuclear weapons delivery missions...since last summer."

The well-informed Arab Times in Kuwait says Bush will attack Iran before the end of April. One of Russia's most senior military strategists, General Leonid Ivashov says the US will use nuclear munitions delivered by Cruise missiles launched in the Mediterranean. "The war in Iraq," he wrote on 24 January, "was just one element in a series of steps in the process of regional destabilization. It was only a phase in getting closer to dealing with Iran and other countries. [When the attack on Iran begins] Israel is sure to come under Iranian missile strikes. Posing as victims, the Israelis will suffer some tolerable damage and then an outraged US will destabilize Iran finally, making it look like a noble mission of retribution . . . Public opinion is already under pressure. There will be a growing anti-Iranian hysteria, leaks, disinformation etcetera . . . It remains unclear whether the US Congress is going to authorize the war."

Asked about a US Senate resolution disapproving of the "surge" of US troops to Iraq, Vice President Cheney said, "It won't stop us." Last November, a majority of the American electorate voted for the Democratic Party to control Congress and stop the war in Iraq. Apart from insipid speeches of "disapproval," this has not happened and is unlikely to happen. Influential Democrats, such as the new leader of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, and would-be presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have disported themselves before the Israeli lobby. Edwards is regarded in his party as a "liberal." He was one of a high-level American contingent at a recent Israeli conference in Herzilya, where he spoke about "an unprecedented threat to the world and Israel (sic). At the top of these threats is Iran.... All options are on the table to ensure that Iran will never get a nuclear weapon." Hillary Clinton has said, "US policy must be unequivocal.... We have to keep all options on the table." Pelosi and Howard Dean, another liberal, have distinguished themselves by attacking former President Jimmy Carter, who oversaw the Camp David agreement between Israel and Egypt and has had the gall to write a truthful book accusing Israel of becoming an "apartheid state." Pelosi said, "Carter does not speak for the Democratic Party." She is right, alas.

In Britain, Downing Street has been presented with a document entitled "Answering the Charges" by Professor Abbas Edalal of Imperial College, London, on behalf of others seeking to expose the disinformation on Iran. Blair remains silent. Apart from the usual honorable exceptions, Parliament remains shamefully silent.

Can this really be happening again, less than four years after the invasion of Iraq which has left some 650,000 people dead? I wrote virtually this same article early in 2003; for Iran now read Iraq then. And is it not remarkable that North Korea has not been attacked? North Korea has nuclear weapons. That is the message, loud and clear, for the Iranians.

In numerous surveys, such as that conducted this month by BBC World Service, "we," the majority of humanity, have made clear our revulsion for Bush and his vassals. As for Blair, the man is now politically and morally naked for all to see. So who speaks out, apart from Professor Edalal and his colleagues? Privileged journalists, scholars and artists, writers and thespians who sometimes speak about "freedom of speech" are as silent as a dark West End theater. What are they waiting for? The declaration of another thousand year Reich, or a mushroom cloud in the Middle East, or both?
 

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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2007, 05:37:39 PM »
I don't see why stopping the flow of Iranian weapons into Iraq is a bad thing.

Is killing US soldiers with these weapons a good thing?



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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2007, 05:47:18 PM »




, "neocon" fanatics such as Vice President Cheney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil


Unlike Israel and the United States, Iran has abided by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, of which it was an original signatory and has allowed routine inspections under its legal obligations – until gratuitous, punitive measures were added in 2003, at the behest of Washington. No report by the International Atomic Energy Agency has ever cited Iran for diverting its civilian nuclear program to military use. The IAEA has said that for most of the past three years its inspectors have been able to "go anywhere and see anything." They inspected the nuclear installations at Isfahan and Natanz on 10 and 12 January and will return on 2 to 6 February. The head of the IAEA, Mohamed El-Baradei, says that an attack on Iran will have "catastrophic consequences" and only encourage the regime to become a nuclear power.




I hope that the powers that be in Iran live in the same fantasy .


1)Iran is definately building nuclear wepons.

2)Iran is definately already directly supporting the killing of Americans .

If they do not want to fight with us , either or both of these would seem easy to quit.

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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2007, 02:17:30 AM »
<<I don't see why stopping the flow of Iranian weapons into Iraq is a bad thing.>>

Maybe you're not reading the article carefully enough.  It claims that there IS no flow of Iranian weapons into Iraq.

<<"There is solid evidence," said a State Department spokesman on 24 January, "that Iranian agents are involved in these networks [providing advanced weaponry and training] and that they are working with individuals and groups in Iraq and are being sent there by the Iranian government." Like Bush's and Blair's claim that they had irrefutable evidence that Saddam Hussein was deploying weapons of mass destruction, the "evidence" lacks all credibility. Iran has a natural affinity with the Shi'ite majority of Iraq, and has been implacably opposed to al-Qaeda, condemning the 9/11 attacks and supporting the United States in Afghanistan. Syria has done the same. Investigations by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and others, including British military officials, have concluded that Iran is not engaged in the cross-border supply of weapons. General Peter Pace, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said no such evidence exists.>>

<<Is killing US soldiers with these weapons a good thing?>>

It wouldn't be any worse thing than killing Iraqis with weapons brought in from America - - if there WERE weapons coming in from Iran, but there aren't any such weapons.  It's a pretext, get it?  Just like the "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there.

<<As the American disaster in Iraq deepens and domestic and foreign opposition grows, "neocon" fanatics such as Vice President Cheney believe their opportunity to control Iran's oil will pass unless they act no later than the spring. For public consumption, there are potent myths. In concert with Israel and Washington's Zionist and fundamentalist Christian lobbies, the Bushites say their "strategy" is to end Iran's nuclear threat. In fact, Iran possesses not a single nuclear weapon nor has it ever threatened to build one; the CIA estimates that, even given the political will, Iran is incapable of building a nuclear weapon before 2017, at the earliest.>>

What I just don't get is how fucking stupid do you have to be to get fooled by the exact same BS twice in a row?  If Bush & Co. lied about the "threat" of Iraqi WMD to sucker you into war on Iraq, WHY would you trust their word now on the "threat" of Iranian "nuclear weapons" to sucker you into war on Iran?   Even if you believe the absurd and ridiculous theory that they weren't really lying, just honestly mistaken, WHY would you trust their faulty judgment any more now than you did then?  How many times do they have to fuck up before you say, "Oh, no, not THIS time, Buster?"



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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 02:56:55 AM »
Richard Clarke says otherwise:

"I think the evidence is strong that the Iranian government is making these IEDs, and the Iranian government is sending them across the border and they are killing U.S. troops once they get there," says Richard Clarke, former White House counterterrorism chief and an ABC News consultant. "I think it's very hard to escape the conclusion that, in all probability, the Iranian government is knowingly killing U.S. troops."


http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1

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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2007, 11:48:47 AM »
So now it's Richard Clarke and the Bush admin against General Pace and British Intelligence?

Given the track record of the Bush administration, I'd say that amounts to going to war on the word of Richard Clarke - - the same guy who claims that Bush put pressure on the C.I.A. to find an Iraqi connection to 9-11 after they said there wasn't any.

How likely is it anyway that roadside bombs are Iranian-made?  I've never yet seen any detailed explanation of what it is about these little suckers that is so special it could only come from Iran.  Seems to me, admittedly no great shakes as an explosives expert, that these could be made up by any home-grown army of revolutionaries.  Maybe the material packs a bigger punch and isn't available locally, but in the arms business as elsewhere, capitalism and its forces usually find a way to satisfy a market.  The explosives are gonna come in from Iran or somewhere else if not Iran. 

Besides:  why all this fuss about the IEDs?  IEDs don't kill people, people kill people.

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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 05:21:56 PM »
"Besides:  why all this fuss about the IEDs?  IEDs don't kill people, people kill people. "


That is why we need to kill those people.

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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2007, 05:29:45 PM »
"Besides:  why all this fuss about the IEDs?  IEDs don't kill people, people kill people. "


That is why we need to kill those people.

Oooo, touche' Plane     
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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2007, 07:02:17 PM »
<<That is why we need to kill those people.>>

You needed to kill those people the day you decided to invade their country and they decided to resist.  Problem is, you just can't do it. 







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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 03:47:11 AM »
<<That is why we need to kill those people.>>

You needed to kill those people the day you decided to invade their country and they decided to resist.  Problem is, you just can't do it. 


Killing them is technically easy , being selective is the tough part.








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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 04:05:08 AM »
A war with Iran will be sure to delight Juniorbush's best buddies: the oil companies, who can coult on decreased supply to enable them to raise their already extortionate profit margins.

If we can't control Iraq (22 million) with every last soldier available, how the Hell do these ijits expect to beat Iran (77 million)?

There are limits to the number oif wars that can be successfully mongered.

There is no real reason to attack Iran, this is a bogus pile of crap. But even if it were true (and is is NOT), the US would be sure to lose this one.

Maybe we will have to storm the WH, pull these cowardly asshole jackals out and drown their sorry asses in the Reflecting Pool, after all.
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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 06:06:19 AM »
<<There is no real reason to attack Iran, this is a bogus pile of crap. But even if it were true (and is is NOT), the US would be sure to lose this one.>>

I think those cowardly, lying bastards realize this as much as you do.  Which is why they are planning an air war, not a ground invasion.  As a distraction from the disaster in Iraq.  To muddy the waters, give the people (the primitive, lock-jawed Neanderthals who still believe in Bush) another sound-and-light "blowed up real good" show that will at least provide them with the illusion of an all-powerful America while Iraq continues to descend into some bottomless pit.  Anything to stave off the inevitable, the helicopters on the embassy roof, the sick realization by hundreds of thousands of dumb redneck morons that it really was all for nothing, that they STILL don't have health care or decent public education or even cheap oil, and that Billy Bob ain't never comin' back.

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Re: Pilger - War on Iran by April
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2007, 06:11:13 AM »
A war with Iran will be sure to delight Juniorbush's best buddies: the oil companies, who can coult on decreased supply to enable them to raise their already extortionate profit margins.

If we can't control Iraq (22 million) with every last soldier available, how the Hell do these ijits expect to beat Iran (77 million)?

There are limits to the number oif wars that can be successfully mongered.

There is no real reason to attack Iran, this is a bogus pile of crap. But even if it were true (and is is NOT), the US would be sure to lose this one.

Maybe we will have to storm the WH, pull these cowardly asshole jackals out and drown their sorry asses in the Reflecting Pool, after all.


You should have been listening to MT.

If Controll of the oil supply is the real agenda then simply bombing the oil routes accomplishes this.

Pipelines , harbors , straights , bridiges and passes are easy to close with air power , no oil moveing is no oil sold.

And you, in this post, observe that scaricity of oil is good for the oil companys.


This doesn't actually make sense , but it is consistant with MT and your expectation.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2007, 09:03:53 AM »
Maybe we will have to storm the WH, pull these cowardly asshole jackals out and drown their sorry asses in the Reflecting Pool, after all.

Let us know how that works out for you.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2007, 11:17:13 AM »
<<If Controll of the oil supply is the real agenda then simply bombing the oil routes accomplishes this.

<<Pipelines , harbors , straights , bridiges and passes are easy to close with air power , no oil moveing is no oil sold.

<<And you, in this post, observe that scaricity of oil is good for the oil companys.


<<This doesn't actually make sense , but it is consistant with MT and your expectation.>>

Very funny.  That's about as sophisticated a form of control as a three-year-old exerts with a temper tantrum.  And if three-year-olds with temper tantrums ran the government, that's the kind of control you'd get.  Here's the kind of control I'm sure your "President" and his "advisers" had in mind:

They instal a government in Iraq that will do what they're told on energy matters; otherwise, support flows to somebody else more eager to obey, a little blood flows and another regime change just "happens."  It's easy when you've got bases all over the fucking country.  So one day there are just 1 million barrels of oil left to sell; China wants a million, India wants a million and the U.S.A. wants a million.  It goes without saying that because of the law of supply and demand the price of these million barrles of oil is already obscenely inflated beyond anyone's wildest dream and all three buyers are willing to pay the price.  These schmucks will be smart enough to know without being told that they had better sell the whole million to just one buyer, the one with the bases.  Now, THAT'S control.  The smart way.  Even a moron like Bush has got THAT figured out (maybe with a little help from Dick.)