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DOS Grants Blackwater Guards Immunity
« on: October 29, 2007, 07:44:26 PM »
hilarious.  All Blackwater guards involved in the gratuitous killing of 17 Iraqi civilians have received grants of immunity from the State Department in return for their cooperation with investigators.  The ingenuity of the fascist war criminals who are behind the invasion and occupation of what used to be a sovereign country and the massacre of its citizens has reached a new peak with this one - -

"Kill 17 ragheads and get out of jail free" is probably gonna be Blackwater's new recruiting slogan.  Yes, that motivation to help the people of Iraq to move forward into the new sunlight of democracy just shines through everything Amerikkka does in that fortunate country, the lucky recipient of Amerikkkan largesse.  Do you feel the love?

see today's AP

<<By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago

<<WASHINGTON - The State Department promised Blackwater USA bodyguards immunity from prosecution in its investigation of last month's deadly shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians, The Associated Press has learned.
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<<The immunity deal has delayed a criminal inquiry into the Sept. 16 killings and could undermine any effort to prosecute security contractors for their role in the incident that has infuriated the Iraqi government.

<<"Once you give immunity, you can't take it away," said a senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation.

<<A State Department spokesman did not have an immediate comment Monday. Both Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd and FBI spokesman Rich Kolko declined comment.

<<FBI agents were returning to Washington late Monday from Baghdad, where they have been trying to collect evidence in the Sept. 16 embassy convoy shooting without using statements from Blackwater employees who were given immunity.

<<Three senior law enforcement officials said all the Blackwater bodyguards involved ? both in the vehicle convoy and in at least two helicopters above ? were given the legal protections as investigators from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security sought to find out what happened. The bureau is an arm of the State Department.

<<The investigative misstep comes in the wake of already-strained relations between the United States and Iraq, which is demanding the right to launch its own prosecution of the Blackwater bodyguards.>>


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Re: DOS Grants Blackwater Guards Immunity
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2007, 04:05:29 AM »
This is only limited use immunity. If crimes were committed, they can still be charged by the FBI, which is investigating. They can still be prosecuted. You shouldn't accuse anybody of a masacre, because you may have to eat your words like John Murtha had to.

By the way, Lara Lakes Jordan, the author of this piece, is married to John Kerry's old campaign mangager Jim Jordan. It's not journalism; it's Democrat propoganda. 

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Re: DOS Grants Blackwater Guards Immunity
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 08:58:40 AM »
It's not journalism; it's Democrat propoganda.

It's not Democrat, it's DEMOCRATIC.
Otherwise YOU are the propagandist.

17 Iraqis are dead because of these Rent-A-Goons; let's hope justice is done.

I doubt that this will happen. If there were justice in this country, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Juniorbush would be behind bars at Leavenworth.
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Re: DOS Grants Blackwater Guards Immunity
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 10:41:37 AM »
<<By the way, Lara Lakes Jordan, the author of this piece, is married to John Kerry's old campaign mangager Jim Jordan. It's not journalism; it's Democrat propoganda. >>

What are you trying to tell us?  That only Democratic journalists are willing to tell the truth about U.S. atrocities in Iraq and that Republican journalists can't be trusted, because they will cover them up?

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Blackwater not offered immunity, official says
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 12:18:19 PM »
From Terry Frieden
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- No immunity deal was offered to Blackwater USA guards for their statements regarding a shootout in Iraq last month that left 17 Iraqi civilians dead, a senior State Department official told CNN Tuesday.

The statement contradicts comments made Monday by a U.S. government official who said the guards were promised their statements would not be used against them in any prosecution resulting from the September 16 shootings in Baghdad.

Democrats have been angered by suggestions that the contractors had been offered immunity.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Tuesday accused the Bush "amnesty administration" of letting its allies, including security contractors in Iraq, shirk responsibility for their actions.

"In this administration, accountability goes by the boards," Leahy said. "That seems to be a central tenet in the Bush administration -- that no one from their team should be held accountable, if accountability can be avoided.

"That goes equally for misconduct and for incompetence. If you get caught, they will get you immunity. If you get convicted, they will commute your sentence. They are the amnesty administration."

Blackwater USA contractors guarding a U.S. State Department convoy allegedly shot 17 Iraqi civilians to death in Baghdad's Nusoor Square on September 16. Blackwater contends the convoy came under small-arms fire and guards responded in self-defense.

Officials familiar with the matter said on Monday that State Department investigators promised Blackwater guards immunity from prosecution for the incident.

"They [contractors] were told their statements can't be used against them," said one U.S. government official. "But this doesn't necessarily mean charges can never be brought against these guys."

A second official called the limited immunity "surprising and confusing" and questioned the authority of the State Department's diplomatic security investigators to unilaterally make immunity decisions.

"I can understand there would be a lot of very unhappy people," said a third official, an experienced investigator who said decisions are not usually made without consultation with federal prosecutors.

All officials refused to be identified because they were not authorized to speak on this sensitive issue.

Meanwhile, Iraq's parliament is considering a draft bill that would require security companies operating in the country to obey Iraqi laws with no immunity, Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Tuesday.

"All security companies operating in Iraq, those affiliated with them and non-Iraqi parties they have a contract with, are subject to Iraqi civil and penal laws," al-Dabbagh said. "There will be no immunity."

The draft bill would also subject security companies to Iraqi laws concerning visas, residency, taxes and customs, al-Dabbagh explained.

The law apparently would not be retroactive, but would address only violations that occur after its passage.

Until then, private contractors in Iraq apparently are still governed by Order 17 of the Coalition Provisional Authority's code for Iraq, set up in the early days of the U.S. occupation.

Order 17 stated that all non-Iraqi entities working in the country were subject to the jurisdiction of their sending countries and "immune from Iraqi legal process."

"They shall be immune from any form of arrest or detention other than by persons acting on behalf of their sending states," the order said.

The Justice Department and FBI refused to comment on the State Department investigation, as did Blackwater.

CNN's Jomana Karadsheh and Elise Labott contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/30/blackwater.immunity/index.html
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Re: DOS Grants Blackwater Guards Immunity
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 12:37:12 PM »
Heh-heh.  Sounds like the feds are up to their old tricks - - either reneging on their promises or failing to explain their limits properly to the targets of their investigation.  In this case it doesn't really matter since they're only dealing with a bunch of hired killers, but now it puts Bush in a bit of a dilemma - - he'll have to find another way to save his goons' asses, only this time not so obvious.

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Re: DOS Grants Blackwater Guards Immunity
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 12:50:48 PM »

via NYTimes:
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Most of the guards who took part in the episode were offered what officials described as limited-use immunity, which means that they were promised they would not be prosecuted for anything they said in their interviews with the authorities as long as their statements were true.
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The government has transferred the investigation from the diplomatic service to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which has begun re-interviewing Blackwater employees without any grant of immunity in an effort to assemble independent evidence of possible wrongdoing.

Richard J. Griffin, the chief of Diplomatic Security Service resigned last week, in a departure that appeared to be related to problems with his supervision of Blackwater contractors.

In addition, the Justice Department reassigned the investigation from prosecutors in the criminal division who had read the State Department?s immunized statements to prosecutors in the national security division who had no knowledge of the statements.

Such a step is usually taken to preserve the government?s ability to argue later on in court that any case it has brought was made independently and made no use of information gathered under a promise that it would not be used in a criminal trial.

Immunity is intended to protect the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination while still giving investigators the ability to gather evidence. Usually people suspected of crimes are not given immunity and such grants are not given until after the probable defendants are identified. Even then, prosecutors often face serious obstacles in bringing a prosecution in cases in which defendants have been immunized.

The courts have made it all but impossible to prosecute defendants who have been granted immunity since the appellate court reversals of the Iran-contra affair convictions against John M. Poindexter, a former national security adviser, and Oliver L. North, a national security aide, who had each been immunized by Congress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/washington/30cnd-blackwater.html?ex=1351310400&en=2a64f75280233c24&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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