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« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2008, 12:19:09 AM »
<<It is a pleasant surprise to me.

<<I thought we were haveing too much troubble to expect profit.>>

WE?  Does this imply that you are holding shares in Halliburton?  Even if you are, do you really expect much of the profits will be passed off to you as dividends?  Don't worry, the directors of the company are waaay too smart for that.  You'll get what's left over, if anything, after the profits are dispensed as expenses, higher salaries and perks, payments for "services" to corporations you never heard of and in which you DON'T hold any shares, etc.

I don't think you fully understand the beauty of the scheme - - YOU, as the dumb-schmuck Amerikkkan citizen, bear ALL of the costs of the venture:  the 4,000 dead hillbillies, the half-trillion in government costs, the interest on the money borrowed to make up those costs, etc.  The PROFITS of the venture accrue to a corporation called Halliburton and to a privately-held corporation called Bechtel and to some other corporations,all of which are largely owned by Amerikkka's billionaire class.  That profit that you are so jubilant about is theirs, not yours.

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« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2008, 12:20:47 AM »
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=9248

Bechtel Fails Reconstruction of Iraq's Schools
by Karim El-Gawhary, Special to CorpWatch
December 2nd, 2003



In Iraq, school administrators are struggling to keep their classroom doors open and their students educated, in the face of many obstacles unleashed by the occupation of the country. Looting has become commonplace, while lack of supplies and the decay of basic infrastructure make teaching a challenge.

Into this situation steps Bechtel Corporation, the San Francisco-based engineering and construction giant. In April Bechtel was awarded a contract by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) for the reconstruction of Iraq's primary and secondary schools, as part of a deal worth up to $1.03 billion to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure. But the question remains whether Bechtel, like the US army, is part of the solution or part of the problem.
Bend it Like Bechtel

Headmaster Abdel-Razzaq Ali's school is located in a predominantly Shi'ite quarter in a poor area of Baghdad. More than 1,500 students attend the Anbariyn School in two shifts: boys in the morning, girls in the afternoon. Looting has never been a problem at his school. But Abdel-Razzaq has his share of problems in the new Iraq. "The parents are constantly complaining to me, but who can I complain to?" he wonders. He is particularly skeptical about the refurbishment plans for the school, which are being carried out by Bechtel Corporation.

The Anbariyn School is one of 1,500 schools being refurbished by Bechtel using American funds. Within the framework of its reconstruction program, Bechtel has subcontracted work to 65 Iraqi companies. The project is referred to on its Web site as "a truly humanitarian effort". "Of all the things we're doing here, this one really touches individuals - students, parents, teachers, and entire communities - in a very personal way," Thor Christiansen, manager of the Iraqi School Program, is quoted as saying. Abdel-Razzaq, however, shakes his head in response. "If they had given the money to us directly," he explained, "we would have done a far better job."

At the start of the program Abdel-Razzaq received a visit from a representative of the Iraqi company, Adnan Mussawi, which Bechtel subcontracted to carry out the work. The headmaster was asked to sign a declaration that the work had been completed, which he refused to do until the work had actually been done. Twenty days later, the walls were painted, the rusty doors painted over, new electric cables laid, and some of the sanitary facilities replaced. However, the real problem with the toilets -- namely the sewage pipes -- were left untouched. So Abdel-Razzaq is sure that next winter once more, there will be a lake of sewage in the bathrooms.

Most of the cheap plastic cisterns are already broken. Even a broken banister that resulted in one child falling one floor down - was not considered to be part of Bechtel's renovation plan. So the director ordered to weld it again, paying the work out of his own pocket. The work on the school, according to Abdel-Razzaq, was completed without a single person from the Bechtel corporation appraising the work. "Why do we need Bechtel? They have done absolutely nothing," he said.
Lack of Oversight

Dr Nabil Khudair Abbas, from the planning center at the Ministry for Education which is responsible for a quarter of Baghdad's schools, confirmed Abdel-Razzaq's sentiments. He meets with representatives of the Bechtel Corporation on a weekly basis, and presents his complaints with regard to its school reconstruction program. The program is anything but transparent, he tells them, and none of the work is checked. Nobody in the Ministry of Education knows exactly how much the US has given Bechtel to implement the program, nor the details of the work to be carried out in individual schools.

"The impression we often get at the meetings is that Bechtel is more powerful than the army," he said. Bechtel representatives, however, want no more complaints from Dr Abbas. The program is a gift from the US taxpayers, and has been approved by Congress, they say. "No matter what we do, the Iraqis will never be on the losing end," a Bechtel representative told him. His grievances -- the fact that of the 750 schools which are included in his mandate, 20 were destroyed during the war and 170 were looted because the occupation forces failed to provide adequate security -- do not in the least interest Bechtel.

For Abdel-Razzaq, the old school bell symbolizes all that is wrong with the Bechtel program. The big, old, fully functioning bell was removed and replaced by a small, highly polished silver version. "Do you want to hear it?" asks Abdel-Razzaq, and presses the button. The clapper hits the bell, which croaks in response. This is a new bell for a new Iraq, says the headmaster. "Do you seriously believe I can summon 1,500 students to class with this?" But the clever headmaster came up with a special solution. After the recess, a child from each class walks over the school yard, gathering its classmates - enthusiastically swinging a little bell in its hand.
Teaching Under Occupation

Unlike Abdel-Razzaq, Khadija Ali Medshwal is worried about the security situation at her school. The Naguib Pasha Primary School in Baghdad is adjacent to several foreign embassies as well as the homes of several members of the Interim Governing Council (IGC). All are targets for attacks "against the occupation". She is also concerned about the safety of the children at the school.

Kidnapping the offspring of wealthy parents has been the norm since the end of the war. If this were not enough, she says, US soldiers regularly turn up unannounced at the school -- like today -- and the children can then study a special American military maneuver. Lieutenant Corban Sawyer marches ahead while one of his armed soldiers covers his back. When Lieutenant Corban Sawyer enters the principal's office, his rearguard takes up his post at the door, automatic weapon resting on his knee, eyes suspiciously on the potentially hostile school yard.

Lieutenant Sawyer says he feels good about helping the neighborhood get back on its feet, even though he is actually responsible for military "intelligence gathering". His job for today: inventory. He asks the head if she needs anything for the school. Khadija hands over a list with a smile and asks if perhaps barbed wire can be added to the top of the wall. She also allows the officer to take her photograph; "for our files", explains Lieutenant Sawyer, leaving the school accompanied by his corporals, though not before expressing his astonishment at the friendliness exhibited by the Iraqi people.

This friendliness, however, is short-lived. As soon as the officer leaves the office, Khadija's smile quickly fades. "I hate it when they turn up unannounced," she explains. "The first time they came here, they went from classroom to classroom with guns dangling over their shoulders, asking the terrified children whom they loved more, Saddam Hussein or George Bush." The school principal expects little from the Americans. The list of provisions for the school, she says -- tables, chairs and a television set -- she has given to the Americans at least a dozen times. At first she used to write a new list for each visit, now she simply copies the old one. "There is no point, nothing happens anyway," she explains.

Karim El-Gawhary is an Egyptian journalist who regularly reports from Iraq.
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Re: desperate housewives and Al Queda
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2008, 12:27:28 AM »
<<Lieutenant Sawyer says he feels good about helping the neighborhood get back on its feet, even though he is actually responsible for military "intelligence gathering". His job for today: inventory. He asks the head if she needs anything for the school. Khadija hands over a list with a smile and asks if perhaps barbed wire can be added to the top of the wall. She also allows the officer to take her photograph; "for our files", explains Lieutenant Sawyer, leaving the school accompanied by his corporals, though not before expressing his astonishment at the friendliness exhibited by the Iraqi people.

<<This friendliness, however, is short-lived. As soon as the officer leaves the office, Khadija's smile quickly fades. "I hate it when they turn up unannounced," she explains. "The first time they came here, they went from classroom to classroom with guns dangling over their shoulders, asking the terrified children whom they loved more, Saddam Hussein or George Bush." The school principal expects little from the Americans. The list of provisions for the school, she says -- tables, chairs and a television set -- she has given to the Americans at least a dozen times. At first she used to write a new list for each visit, now she simply copies the old one. "There is no point, nothing happens anyway," she explains.>>

It's hilarious.  I wouldn't say "nothing happens," though.  Lots happens.  In the "good news" blogs and media, Lt.Sawyer has probably been portrayed dozens of times beside the smiling Khadija, "proof" that the occupation is "working," that Amerikkkans are "doing good" in Iraq, "fixing the schools," "building the civil society" and similar bullshit.  I bet this very school appeared somewhere in one of Michael Yon's blogs.

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« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2008, 10:53:41 AM »
<<The primary purpose behind carrier task forces is to PROJECT POWER, so that is why we have so many of these.  . . .  Even if we withdraw from many overseas commitments, it is still an excellent to way to "show the flag".>>

I don't get it, Professor.  Are you saying that power is projected for the sake of projecting power?  That the flag is shown for the sake of showing the flag?  No ulterior reason beyond that?

In a military sense, a carrier allows you to project power beyond any land-based resources. Only a carrier can truly do this. Even an Aegis carrier task force cannot project power like this. It has to do with reality and perception. As far as perception, a Carrier is HUGE, I mean, HUGE. Have you ever been on one? I have. Many times. The scale is daunting. So, a carrier "coming into port" or even being offshore produces an emotional response, namely a sense of RAW POWER. A Cruiser, even as large and sophisticated as an Aegis cruiser is, simply does not command this level of respect. In a military sense, a carrier's military resources are simply awe-inspiring. No,w carriers even carry a wide range of anti-ship missiles. Plus, they can PROJECT power outward  in a roughly omnidirectional sense due to the range of their fighters and now they even offer refueling capabilities via smaller refuelers so carrier-based aircraft can be refueled almost indefinitely. So, if you look at the physical location on a map of a carrier, you can essentially draw a rough circle of, say, 400 miles around it and POWER can be projected at that distance, if not beyond, even in the middle of the ocean with no land-based assets available. There is no current means available that can PROJECT POWER like this. Of course, carriers require entire task forces of 6-15 vessels of varying types, including that all-important Aegis cruiser, and so they are very expensive to operate, which is why nations such as France and even Great Britain do not operate many and I do not believe Canada does at all. Did you know that the US Navy consumes more oil than ANY of the other services and almost ALL OF THEM combined?
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« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2008, 10:55:13 AM »
<<I highly reccomend Mombasa Kenya , not right now , after the civil unrest calms down ad they are back to their normal friendliness.>>

How long was your ship in Mombasa and how much of that time was shore leave for you?  What was the longest continuous period of time that you were allowed to be away from the ship during shore leave?  Did you encounter any anti-Americanism in Mombasa?  Why was Mombasa so highly recommended, i.e., what did it have that the other ports did not?  And what other ports did you partcularly like?

In Alfred Hitchcock's Fireside Book of Suspense there's a short story set in the 1930s called The Idol.  An English tourist steps off a cruise ship in Mozambique to buy some souvenirs in the town, purchases an odd little idol, intervenes in a spat between an absolutely gorgeous local girl and some thugs, winds up getting chased by the thugs over the roof-tops , is rescued by the girl, fucks her brains out [reading between the lines,] in a temporary hide-out, kills some bad guys in hand-to-hand (the girl got one of them by throwing a knife into his back from across the room) and the next morning is recognized in the street, a little rougher for wear, with the adoring girl clinging to him like moss, by a party of English tourists who were combing the streets for him.  He shakes hands with the girl and thanks her, straightens his tie and returns to the ship with the other English tourists, with his little idol still wrapped up in brown paper.  Anything like that ever happen to you in Mombasa?


Are you saying there is SOMETHING wrong with this?  ;)
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« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2008, 11:38:32 AM »
I'm saying that it was one of the greatest short stories I've ever read in my life.  Another one was Margery Sharp's The Second Step, in the same anthology, and another one was Leiningen Versus the Ants, from Esquire Magazine.

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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2008, 11:44:11 AM »
Professor, I GET IT that the aircraft carrier projects power (until it's sunk, and then it projects futility.)  But I don't think you answered my question, which was, What is the point of projecting power?  Who benefits from the projection and how exactly do they benefit?

The question was rhetorical anyway.  I was really arguing that the point of projecting power in the Middle East is to intimidate the locals, so they wouldn't resist American demands to horn in on their oil profits by getting concessions either wholly owned or on favourable partnering terms.

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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2008, 12:00:59 PM »
Professor, I GET IT that the aircraft carrier projects power (until it's sunk, and then it projects futility.)  But I don't think you answered my question, which was, What is the point of projecting power?  Who benefits from the projection and how exactly do they benefit?

The question was rhetorical anyway.  I was really arguing that the point of projecting power in the Middle East is to intimidate the locals, so they wouldn't resist American demands to horn in on their oil profits by getting concessions either wholly owned or on favourable partnering terms.

I might phrase it differently, namely that a primary purpose of carriers is to PROJECT POWER such that the receivers of that impression are duly impressed by what the carrier just MIGHT do. It's a principle as old as the Roman Empire and before. After all, you can "show the flag" by having a small frigate come into port, waving The Flag but dies it have the same effect as a carrier? Naw...call you what you wish, power, intimidation, etc., but it can be effective.

As is delienated in this thread, economic interests and cultural and....well, a wide range of interests can follow this "waving the flag".So what? Cause and effect, I might argue.
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« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2008, 12:12:10 PM »
<<It is a pleasant surprise to me.

<<I thought we were haveing too much troubble to expect profit.>>

WE?  Does this imply that you are holding shares in Halliburton?  Even if you are, do you really expect much of the profits will be passed off to you as dividends?  Don't worry, the directors of the company are waaay too smart for that.  You'll get what's left over, if anything, after the profits are dispensed as expenses, higher salaries and perks, payments for "services" to corporations you never heard of and in which you DON'T hold any shares, etc.

I don't think you fully understand the beauty of the scheme - - YOU, as the dumb-schmuck Amerikkkan citizen, bear ALL of the costs of the venture:  the 4,000 dead hillbillies, the half-trillion in government costs, the interest on the money borrowed to make up those costs, etc.  The PROFITS of the venture accrue to a corporation called Halliburton and to a privately-held corporation called Bechtel and to some other corporations,all of which are largely owned by Amerikkka's billionaire class.  That profit that you are so jubilant about is theirs, not yours.

Well said.

There is no tinkle down effect from this. Even if there were, I don't see how anyone in good conscience would be pleased about it. This Milton Friedman style dystopia Does not exist in the presence of freedom (and you'll note that it never has throughout its dark history of implementation!). It requires complete destruction, regime change, forced dismantling of publicly-owned holdings, and a complete fire sale of the country to foreign corporations. No one elected Bremer to do this. Iraqis did not vote for his favorable corporate laws. Iraqis did not vote for him to dismantle their state aparatus. He did so with the authority of a tyrant, no less as forcefully as Saddam Hussein. He had political prisoners in Abu Ghraib just like his predecessor; being tortured just like his predecessor.

That was no accident. It was a refined process beginning in Korea, improved in Iran, improved in Indonesia, improved in Brazil, terribly implemented in Vietnam, improved in Chile, improved in Argentina & Uruguay...and on it went. This country, the United States, has refined this Imperial process of free-market pillaging. When the debts hit, and you better believe they will, we'll be long gone and the Iraqis will have to pay through - you guessed it - public funds. Welcome to U.S. Imperialism Iraq, you're going to get raped a few more times, financially and some physically. It is going to be a bumpy ride of soaring inflation, high unemployment, a massive debt crisis, and decades of massive loans that you'll have to pay back to - us!

If you're lucky, you'll be like Chile and they'll dub you an "economic miracle" while you enjoy 45% of your population below the poverty line. You'll have one of the world's most unequal economic populations in the world where the top 1% own 83% of the nation's wealth. That's if you're lucky and avoid complete financial collapse and total economic ruin. The good news is that like Chile, you have a resource people want - oil (Chile had copper). So you may reach that exalted status of right-wing "economic miracle" of massive inequality and nearly half the population living in poverty. One can only hope! Of course you'll need to spend a great deal of money on the national police, torture facilities, and combatting "subversives" (that would be anyone who doesn't believe in total free-market "freedom"). And you'll need to remove the pesky freedom of the press and absolutely no right to assemble. But first things first - no rights to strike, and give employers carte blanche to fire anyone without cause.
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Re: desperate housewives and Al Queda
« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2008, 02:38:23 PM »
Here's an interesting document where President Nixon openly comments on having the U.S. installed military junta in Brazil help rig the elections in Uruguay - which became the world's most intense police state (i.e. the highest political prisoners per capita) as well as having the most open relationship with CIA trainers in torture. Mitrione, a former FBI agent, became infamous for his "hands-on" teaching style where he would kidnap homeless persons and demonstrate torture techniques for his eager to learn Uruguyan state police students.

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Our position is supported by Brazil, which is afterall the key to the future. The Brazilians helped rig the Uruguyan election.
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« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2008, 04:34:53 PM »
I knew a lot of bad shit about Dan Mitrione, but this kidnapping homeless people for the police students to practice their torture on hits a new low for me. 

I remember the caption under Mitrione's photo, run in the Chicago Seed after his kidnapping and assassination by Tupamaro guerrillas, with a hand-drawn Fearless Fosdick-style bullet hole in the middle of his forehead, "R.I.P. Dan Mitrione - You Will Encounter Nothing New in Hell."

Some of the hellish things Amerikkka has done can really haunt me, and this is one of them.  What gets me is how they get away with it.  Even the worst, most fascist-inclined citizens, would probably be repulsed by such an act, but they deal with it in a way that the Germans deal with the crimes of the Nazi era - - they refuse to think about it, if they are forced to think about it, they refuse to believe in it - - where is the proof?  as if Mitrione, the Nazi war criminals or anyone else would leave signed confessions or invite in documentary film-makers to record the whole proceedings.  The secret of fascism: they won't take responsibility.  It didn't happen and if it did, it was "an aberration."  God, it's depressing.

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« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2008, 04:58:42 PM »
Or if it did...it was "in national interest."

The Cold War was used as an excuse for the United States to act severely repressive and very authoritarian.
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« Reply #87 on: January 15, 2008, 05:08:01 PM »
Projecting power and showing the flag.

The individual equivalent of this would be to bulk up on steroids and be able to walk down any street anywhere, with one's enormous schlong, swaying menacingly back and forth.

Showing the flag seems related to the guys who bolt huge fake testicles to the trailer hitches of the F-150's.

That is what it looks like to many people in other countries.

I am opposed to any more carrier 'battle groups' for that reason. It only gives the clowns in the military-industrial complex and the right wing militarists more reasons to intimidate the rest of the planet.

If we didn't need the extra carrier in the 1980's when the USSR was a threat, why would we need it now, when we have no potential enemies sailing about?
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« Reply #88 on: January 15, 2008, 05:29:19 PM »
Ah, but WE DO have numerous threats as in a re-emerging Russia, an emerging China a mystery in Iran and so on.

Why not look at it this way? What we do is remove many of our overseas bases in countries like Saudi Arabia and we substitute carriers?

As far a being macho, it is unfortunately necessary to remind people that America is there for not only punitive measures but for help as well.
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« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2008, 06:35:31 PM »
Ah, but WE DO have numerous threats as in a re-emerging Russia, an emerging China a mystery in Iran and so on.

Why not look at it this way? What we do is remove many of our overseas bases in countries like Saudi Arabia and we substitute carriers?

As fas a being macho, it is unfortunatley necessary to remind people that America is there for not only punitive measures but for help as well.

We have bases in numerous countries. We also have a military presence in many more.

The problem with being macho and using aircraft carriers is that it only has value in specific situations, namely when you're facing a tiny force and the pure awe of a carrier task force is going to make them back down.

When it is an insurgency or guerilla war, the aircraft carrier and projection of power start to mean very little.

That's when the US goes to Dan Mitrione style - but in some countries (Vietnam, Iraq) it has little effect.
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