Obamacare

[Plane]

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/insurance/surprises-health-insurance-reform-1.aspx


It isn't all bad news, young people are benefiting.

But there is enough bad news and not enough good news to keep a person from saying , was this worth this much effort , expense and risk?

[sirs]

It's actually VERY bad.  Yes, folks like Kimba, were able to obtain insurance that under the previous arrangements, were not very plausible.  We COULD have had Congress, led by by the Democrats work on reforming the current healthcare system to fix that.  But instead, we threw it out, despite the absolute pledge, that not only would anyone who still wanted their insurance and doctor, could keep them, but that premiums would come DOWN, as would the debt.  And people bought that twisted math

I'm dealing with the repercussions, as we speak, as more and more people are either thrown off the insurance, they were promised they could keep, or dealing with double if not triple their premiums, including areas of coverage, they don't even want.

Yes, it helped a small fraction of the population......by screwing the vast majority.  And that's why the people of this country are going to revoke the Democrats' legislative power come tomorrow evening.

Ball will then be in the GOP's court, to actually legislate, and pass common sense reforms, without throwing gasoline on the fire. 

Then Obama will be historically remembered as either:
Universally regarded as a political success, President Clinton, working with the GOP, to find common ground, such as welfare reform,
or
will be be the ultimate do nothing, stomp-his-feet, & cry like a baby, lame duck President, because the GOP won't pass any more of his leftist agenda, and just keep going outside his constitutional authority with executive action after executive action after executive action...starting with the vast majority UNSUPPORTED plan to give amnesty to millions who broke our immigration laws

[Xavier_Onassis]

Obama will be respected far more than Juniorbush and the evil Cheney.

[sirs]

LOL....nice deflection.

[Plane]

Obama will be respected far more than Juniorbush and the evil Cheney.

I think it too late for this already, as time passes history will correct some of our misperception and add others, but the trend is already visible.

Should he care about this?

[sirs]

Obama will be historically remembered as either:
Universally regarded as a political success, President Clinton, working with the GOP, to find common ground, such as welfare reform,
or
will be be the ultimate do nothing, stomp-his-feet, & cry like a baby, lame duck President, because the GOP won't pass any more of his leftist agenda, and just keep going outside his constitutional authority with executive action after executive action after executive action...starting with the vast majority UNSUPPORTED plan to give amnesty to millions who broke our immigration laws

Here's another food for thought concept.......Obama has made it painfully clear that although he's not on the ballot "His policies definitely are".  Now, unless someone wants to call him a liar or an incompetent speaker, apparently the results of this election are specific to the policies he and the Democrats have implemented

So, if the GOP makes the case, via the electorate, that the country has said no more, to those policies, does Obama acknowledge the will of the people.....or does he double down, and push his leftist agenda despite the will and of the people??

Do we get leadership......or do we get a spoiled, self centered lame duck of a Community Organizer & Chief?

Any bets?

[sirs]

I know which way I'm betting

[sirs]

Here's another point to keep in mind regarding both Obamacare and the election, specifically voter fraud.  We hear many a time, that there's really no voter fraud, just some radical RW effort to try and suppress minority voting with the hideous notion of making sure you are who you say you are, when it comes to voting, which would be at minimum, some form of photo ID.  And that whatever voter fraud there might be, it's but a small fraction of votes cast.....

.....rewind to 2008.....GOP has enough votes to block the purely partisan legislation come to be known as Obamacare.  However, Minnesota's vote is close....so close that after the recounts, Democrat Franken wins with less than barely over 300 votes.  The amount of fraudulant and illegal votes cast was only a few thousand, of the 2+million votes cast.  However, it was by far enough to give Franken the win, and give Democrats the 1 extra vote they needed to pass perhaps the worst piece of crap legislation to ever hit this country

Although this just reinforces the ends justifies the means mentaility by the left, which would welcome such illegal votes, so long as it pushes their agenda, this is exactly why voting matters, but more so, LEGAL voting matters

[Plane]

Will a bicameral Republican legislature still be gridlocked?

I don't think so , remember the "nuclear" option has already been popped.

So with a bare majority the Republican House and the Republican Senate can form a bucket brigade of bills and amendments piling them on the presidents desk.

He will be able to veto a lot of them of course , but if the bills look pretty good to the public his veto will work against the party.

[sirs]

Absolutely.  And since the Dems opened the nuclear option, they best sit nice and quiet, if/when the Republicans use it to either overhaul this, reform that, or get someone, like a judge, passed

[Plane]

  Something symbolic will happen pretty soon.

  A resolution to repeal the Affordable health care act will be passed and will sit on the presidents desk.

  Timing is important , if it is done early the President will veto it , and there will be an attempt to override. Then the point of it will be evident , if the minority party wants to preserve it they will have to stand up for it at that point knowing that in two years they will still be wearing this awful albatross while they campaign for reelection.

If done late , the president can really kill it with a much quieter pocket veto.

So efforts to complicate and delay what could be a simple bill have simpler meaning than will be apparent.

[sirs]

I agree, that something regarding Obamacare needs to be on the front burner, and not fester.  Every Democrat that lost, supported/voted for Obamacare.  Excluding Scott Brown, every Republican who ran on repealing Obamacare, won,

It needs to include provisions specifically on how best to help provide coverge for those with pre-existing conditions.  That was the supposed foundation for the need of this monstrosity referred to as the UnAffordable Care Act, to begin with.

Let Democrats vote, and declare where their intentions are, so its on record, vs hiding on Reid's desk, safe from Democrats having to show themselves.  Then let Obama veto it, work from there

[sirs]

Thanks in large part to their support & vote for Obamacare, at least 25 Senate Democrats now have the title "former" preceding their title "Senator."

[Plane]

   Actually a lame duck session is a good time to do things that are unpopular with the people.

    Like taking back the "nuclear option" and requiring super majorities to end philabusters.

[sirs]

The GOP has full nuke authority, until a new President is sworn in.  What's good for the goose.....