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Will the West survive?
Michael Tee:
Sorry, Professor, there is nothing new in this article, it's just standard Daniel Pipes/Bernard Lewis bullshit, SZE (Standard Zionist Edition.)
Parts of it are just pure hate-mongering. I'm really sorry to see this stuff being circulated. The reasoning is sophomoric at best, and Hitlerian at its worst. I refer specifically to the following passage:
<<Phil Lucas, editor of the Panama City, Fla., News Herald, in his April 4, 2004, editorial "Up Against Fanaticism," asks, "Can anybody name three ongoing world conflicts in which Muslims are not involved?" Lucas says, "They can't get along with their neighbors on much of the planet: France, Chechnya, Bosnia, Indonesia, Spain, Morocco, India, Tunisia, Somalia, etc., etc., etc." >>
Hitler used exactly the same line of reasoning with regard to the Jews: they were hated and persecuted in Spain, they were expelled from Spain, they were expelled from England, they were attacked by mobs in Russia, in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania - - well, shit, must be something wrong with THEM.
It's bad enough that people who are the victims of hatred and prejudice should be persecuted in many places but to use their victimization itself as more proof of their moral turpitude is really sick.
I will point it out once more (at the risk of boring Ami) - - the "Muslim World" does not have armies at war in America and Europe; rather it is the Americans and Europeans whose armies are at war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and (if we can believe some reports) Iran at this moment. The "Muslim World" did not have bases in America, although America had or has bases in Saudi Arabia and one or more of the Gulf States. The "Muslim World" does not engineer regime change in America, it is America that engineers or engineered regime change in Iran and Iraq, to name the two examples we know about.
There is no war of civilizations. It's pure BS.
Plane:
Hitler used exactly the same line of reasoning with regard to the Jews: they were hated and persecuted in Spain, they were expelled from Spain, they were expelled from England, they were attacked by mobs in Russia, in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania - - well, shit, must be something wrong with THEM.
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The Jews were 99% falsely accused , what purportion of what Islam can be accused of is not true?
So do you see a Hitler style solution being proposed?
Michael Tee:
<<The Jews were 99% falsely accused , what purportion of what Islam can be accused of is not true?>>
Since you ask, 100%. The West is making war on Islam, not the other way round. They have always, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, illicitly interfered with and stage-managed the local governments, replacing them virtually at will, and are now supporting the European Jews' colonization of the West Bank, and a 39-year-old military occupation of over three million people living without rights and without any basic human dignity under Israeli guns and boots. When they choose to lash back at their tormentors, you characterize it as "making war on the West." Fucking bullshit. Let the West get off their backs first, and then if they no longer have any legitimate grievances to rectify, then you can complain that they are "making war" on you.
<<So do you see a Hitler style solution being proposed?>>
I see a living hell being imposed right now on the people of the West Bank, Iraq and Afghanistan. A living hell that lacks only the gas chambers and the genocidal intent to exterminate an entire population. I see torture chambers. I see arbitrary arrests and indefinite detention without any of the safeguards normally extended even to enemy combatants. Hitler was unique in the history of the planet. The current American/Zionist onslaught on the Middle East lacks only the fully- industrialized, factory-type approach to mass murder, otherwise it would already BE a "Hitler style solution."
Plane:
The current American/Zionist onslaught on the Middle East lacks only the fully- industrialized, factory-type approach to mass murder, otherwise it would already BE a "Hitler style solution."
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We have that in stock , we are not useing it because there would not be enough public approval.
At this point.
Your point about Western oppression of the East would have been more valid an hundred years ago or even fifty , but the era of Colonialism is definately over and has been since the Eisenhour decision to force France and England to give over the Suez.
Most of the Middle East is thriveing on a steady diet of Dollars , we we foolish to pay for the oil we have been needing when we could have colonised these backwards countrys with little effort a half century ago?
Michael Tee:
<<Your point about Western oppression of the East would have been more valid an hundred years ago or even fifty , but the era of Colonialism is definately over and has been since the Eisenhour decision to force France and England to give over the Suez.>>
That's not true at all. The US intervenes massively in Middle East domestic affairs, propping up corrupt dictatorships and supporting Israel, enabling it to continue the occupation of the West Bank and continue its slow-motion ethnic cleansing.
<<Most of the Middle East is thriveing on a steady diet of Dollars , we we foolish to pay for the oil we have been needing when we could have colonised these backwards countrys with little effort a half century ago?>>
The British and French got out of the business because it took a lot more than a "little effort." The steady diet of dollars splits up into some for the "multinational" oil companies owned by Bush and his pals, some for the corrupt dictatorships maintained with U.S. support by force over their own people, and some for the mainly U.S. contractors who service the oil companies and the corrupt dictatorships. They'd "thrive" a whole lot more if they took back the wells and sold the oil on their terms, for what they wanted (which is not necessarily dollars, probably it's euros) and kept all the profits for themselves or- - if they needed foreign technical expertise - - opened the opportunity to the world and let the world's experts bid freely for the job.
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