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Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« on: May 05, 2007, 02:03:47 PM »
A friend of mine who works with the Red Cross in FL says we need to increase our Coast Guard efforts in this arena so we can get illegals BEFORE they drown, etc. and therefore at least save their lives. What do you think?

Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
Story Highlights• U.S. Coast Guard: Survivors say 150 Haitian migrants on boat that capsized
• About 20 bodies found, some partially eaten by sharks, Coast Guard says
• Police boat from the Turks and Caicos Islands rescues 63 migrants
• Coast Guard helicopter searching for missing migrants


SOUTH DOCK, Turks and Caicos Islands (AP) -- A boat filled with Haitian migrants capsized Friday, flinging people into shark-infested waters.

Hours after the sailing vessel overturned in moonlit waters a half-mile (less than a kilometer) from shore, rescuers had recovered more than a dozen bodies -- some with savage bite wounds -- and were searching for about 60 missing people.

A Turks and Caicos police boat picked up 63 survivors, and a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter spotted 10 more clinging to the overturned vessel and guided in another boat to get them, said Petty Officer Third Class Barry Bena. The Coast Guard sent a cutter and a C-130 plane to join the search.

"We have 17 confirmed dead," a Turks and Caicos official told The Associated Press as bodies were being delivered to South Dock, the main commercial port of this British territory. "Five or six small boats of ours are out searching. The survivors are being fed."

The Coast Guard said its helicopter reported spotting about 20 dead. An AP reporter saw about a dozen bodies, some with missing feet and limbs.

It could become the worst disaster in years to hit Haitian migrants, who jam into boats to attempt the treacherous journey. Every year, Haitians by the hundreds set off in rickety boats hoping to escape poverty by sneaking into the U.S. The boat that overturned Friday was about 25 feet (7.6 meters) long and carried 150 people.

"When it's done that way it takes almost nothing for a disaster to occur," Bena said in a telephone interview from Miami. "A strong wind or a sea swell or people moving around can capsize a boat in an instant."

The Coast Guard said the migrant vessel capsized while being towed by a Turks and Caicos police boat at 4:30 a.m., but local authorities said the police boat arrived on the scene after the accident.

Survivors were taken to a detention center on Providenciales, the island that is the urban center of the Turks and Caicos and features an 18-hole golf course, resort hotels, bars and restaurants.

There is a sizable community of illegal Haitian immigrants on Providenciales, and it was not immediately clear if those aboard the boat were headed here or to the United States -- the more common destination.

The number of Haitians intercepted by the Coast Guard has increased recently, despite the restoration of democracy to Haiti last year with the election of President Rene Preval. Preval replaced an interim government that took over after a bloody rebellion overthrew President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004.

Preval has used the help of U.N. peacekeepers to crack down on gangs that were behind a kidnapping epidemic in the capital and is seeking foreign investment to help boost the economy. But the numbers of Haitians trying to reach the U.S. show that many people don't wish to wait while he tries to transform the Western Hemisphere's poorest nation.

This year, the Coast Guard has intercepted 909 Haitians, compared to 769 intercepted during all of 2006 and 1,828 in 2005. During turbulent 2004, 3,078 were interdicted.

Jean-Robert Lafortune, chairman of the Haitian-American Grassroots Coalition in Florida, said Haiti's economic struggles and its political instability are too much for many people.

He said Friday's tragedy underscored "one of the greatest fears that we always have in the community -- knowing that many of those refugees do not make it in their attempt to make the Florida shore."


Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/04/haiti.capsize.ap/index.html 
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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2007, 02:58:09 PM »
Because the law undoes all their effort if they are caught , they are attempting to avoid the Coast Guard.


I couldn't object to increaseing the size and capability of the Coast Guard it has always been a good bang for the buck.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2007, 06:32:05 PM »
<<I couldn't object to increaseing the size and capability of the Coast Guard it has always been a good bang for the buck.>>

They're Haitians, plane.  A true conservative would call for more sharks, not more Coast Guard.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2007, 07:37:08 PM »
<<I couldn't object to increaseing the size and capability of the Coast Guard it has always been a good bang for the buck.>>

They're Haitians, plane.  A true conservative would call for more sharks, not more Coast Guard.

Spoken like a true foaming at the mouth, disjointed liberal.  I'm stunned you didn't pin this incident on Bush, Rove & the neocons.    You're slippin, Tee
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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2007, 09:07:10 PM »
<<I couldn't object to increaseing the size and capability of the Coast Guard it has always been a good bang for the buck.>>

They're Haitians, plane.  A true conservative would call for more sharks, not more Coast Guard.

You did something you rarely do, Michael . You missed the point of what Plane was saying. He was not cheering the Coast Guard for saving Haitian lives, but rather for keeping  those darkies outa the US.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2007, 10:36:36 PM »
<<I couldn't object to increaseing the size and capability of the Coast Guard it has always been a good bang for the buck.>>

They're Haitians, plane.  A true conservative would call for more sharks, not more Coast Guard.


You are either confusing Consevationist and conservative, or you havent spoken to one in thirty years.

Conservationists do want there to be a resrge in the flagging numbers of Sharks world wide , this would best be accomplished by fishing the sharks and their food fish less.Not by feeding them people.

A more potent Coast Guard might be a good defensive move aganst illeagal immagraton , terrorism and smuggleing , a move that Conservatives and Liberals could agree to for the conversion of differing reasons. Conservatives want better law enforcement , Liberals seem to want a more defensive stance against terrorism.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2007, 11:45:32 PM »
but rather for keeping  those darkies outa the US.

Figures that you would support illegal immigration.
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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 01:18:28 AM »
<<I couldn't object to increaseing the size and capability of the Coast Guard it has always been a good bang for the buck.>>

They're Haitians, plane.  A true conservative would call for more sharks, not more Coast Guard.


You are either confusing Consevationist and conservative, or you havent spoken to one in thirty years.

Conservationists do want there to be a resrge in the flagging numbers of Sharks world wide , this would best be accomplished by fishing the sharks and their food fish less.Not by feeding them people.

A more potent Coast Guard might be a good defensive move aganst illeagal immagraton , terrorism and smuggleing , a move that Conservatives and Liberals could agree to for the conversion of differing reasons. Conservatives want better law enforcement , Liberals seem to want a more defensive stance against terrorism.

What did I tell, ya? They want sharks to eat the darks!

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2007, 11:44:46 AM »
<<I'm stunned you didn't pin this incident on Bush, Rove & the neocons.   You're slippin, Tee.>>

It goes without saying that this was the fault of Bush, Rove and the neocons.  I just didn't want to belabour the obvious.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2007, 11:52:17 AM »
<<A more potent Coast Guard might be a good defensive move aganst illeagal immagraton , terrorism and smuggleing , a move that Conservatives and Liberals could agree to for the conversion of differing reasons. Conservatives want better law enforcement , Liberals seem to want a more defensive stance against terrorism.>>

OTOH, both of them seem to be united in their campaign against Father Aristide and their desire that Haitians should remain under incompetent, ineffective and unpopular status quo politicians who will keep Haitians mired in poverty with no way out but the illegal route to America, open to Cubans, closed to Haitians by the racist immigration policies that guarantee more shark-food for the world's deadliest non-human predators.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2007, 12:32:20 PM »
It goes without saying that this was the fault of Bush, Rove and the neocons.  I just didn't want to belabour the obvious.

But, of course         ::)
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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2007, 12:47:22 PM »
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But, of course   

Yes , the Rovian mindmeld that forces defenseless haitians to overcrowd a ricketty boat and set sail for america zombie like , must be checked.

And when this boat is in custody of the Turk and Caico's coast guard and being towed to shore, when it capsized, as reports state, that is also a strong indication of the supreme power of the Bushies, not even considering the effect of the mindmeld on bringing a swarm of sharks to the very scene of the capsizing.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2007, 01:34:21 PM »
LOL
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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2007, 05:54:50 PM »
Just to clear up the record here:

<<It goes without saying that this was the fault of Bush, Rove and the neocons.  I just didn't want to belabour the obvious.>>

THAT was intended as a joke.

<<OTOH, both of them seem to be united in their campaign against Father Aristide and their desire that Haitians should remain under incompetent, ineffective and unpopular status quo politicians who will keep Haitians mired in poverty with no way out but the illegal route to America, open to Cubans, closed to Haitians by the racist immigration policies that guarantee more shark-food for the world's deadliest non-human predators.>>

THAT wasn't.

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Re: Boat flips in shark-infested water; dozens missing
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2007, 02:22:32 AM »
If I were Hatian , I can imagine that I would be building a boat.

Those Hatians who make it out seem to do better here than they could at home , the number that come leagally espcially do well.


Hati is a Malthusian nightmare , they have had bad government for ten generations and overcrouding for the past sixty years , their forests are denuded of fuel worthy wood and their reefs are stripped of edible fish.


Does humanity demand intervention ?

What should be a good intervention?