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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 04:06:08 PM »
Being proud fo what fellow Americans, Missourians, Floridians, Miami-Dade Countians have done is fine.

Believing that they are superior in every way to people from other countries, states or counties sucks.

Pride is, of course, rightfully considered one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Self-respect and admiration for a job well-done is not the same thing.

Anger, Gluttony, Envy, Avarice, Sloth and Lust are the other six, in the event that anyone was in doubt.


These are unrelated to the Seven Dwarfs (Doc, Bashful, Sneezy, Sleepy, Happy, Grumpy, and Dopey) or the Seven United Arab Emirates (Abu Dhabi,Ajman, Fujairah, Sharjah, Ras Al Qaima, and Umm Al Qawain).   
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 04:11:35 PM »
Nationalism is, in my opinion, one of the worst inventions of humanity.

Nationalism led to the founding of the US.
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2007, 04:48:42 PM »
Nationalism is, in my opinion, one of the worst inventions of humanity.

Nationalism led to the founding of the US.

In some manner. That wasn't exactly a bloodless affair, was it? It had some brilliant hypocrisy as well, with people championing freedom and billing themselves as the "sons of liberty" destroying the printing presses of Tory sympathizers, murdering others, confiscating their land, and ignoring religious freedom of others.

Quite makes my point I think.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2007, 05:01:38 PM »
Your history is a bit off. We didn't go from tribes to nations. There was quite a bit in-between.

Oh whatever Mr. College Degrees
It was not intended to be a history lesson, it was meant to make a general point.

The concept of nations is relatively modern in human history.

Yep


Regardless, I'm not one for utopias.

odd

I do believe the world would be better off if it held national boundaries in far less regard.

How so?

As we stand, national origin carries far more weight than it ever should. Most of Africa
and the Middle East were arbitrarily drawn by European Empires anyway


Were not almost all boundries drawn by someone at some time?
It's really nothing new.
Boundries have been drawn and redrawn for centuries by all kinds of people with different motivations.

what the hell are they supposed to be proud of?

Well until they embrace a form of capitalism/freedom/democracy I would assume not much.

Inventions, great success, and prosperity generally originate from places like South Korea not North Korea.

A line on a map that someone from some other country drew a long time ago? Yipee!

Yeah Yippee, someone drew them last century, or several centuries ago, so what?
I don't care if Europeans had a hand in drawing up the US map hundreds of years ago,
I can still be proud of the US landing on the moon.

The Iraqi's seemed quite proud of the Iraqi National Soccer Team and didn't
seem too worried about that their country was drawn up on a map a long
time ago by Europeans.

Would you?

I wouldn't care if it was announced that an African King had secretly drawn up the
US Map and boundries. I would say "who cares?" and be proud of the US.

Do I think the United States needs to dissolve as a nation? LOL No.

So you want the United States to exist as an independent nation
with it's own laws and culture, but you just don't want the people
to get real excited about their own country?

I just don't believe that nationhood is such a spectacular concept.

Then what is your alternative?

It makes for a lot of fun when you want to get someone riled up though

I can relate to that.
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Re: Judeo-Christo-Fascism Awareness Week Comes to American Campuses!
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2007, 05:03:02 PM »
Defending Islamofascism
It's a valid term. Here's why.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Oct. 22, 2007, at 11:33 AM ET
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The attempt by David Horowitz and his allies to launch "Islamofascism Awareness Week" on American campuses has been met with a variety of responses. One of these is a challenge to the validity of the term itself. It's quite the done thing, in liberal academic circles, to sneer at any comparison between fascist and jihadist ideology. People like Tony Judt write to me to say, in effect, that it's ahistorical and simplistic to do so. And in some media circles, another kind of reluctance applies: Alan Colmes thinks that one shouldn't use the word Islamic even to designate jihad, because to do so is to risk incriminating an entire religion. He and others don't want to tag Islam even in its most extreme form with a word as hideous as fascism. Finally, I have seen and heard it argued that the term is unfair or prejudiced because it isn't applied to any other religion.

Well, that last claim is certainly not true. It was once very common, especially on the left, to prefix the word fascism with the word clerical. This was to recognize the undeniable fact that, from Spain to Croatia to Slovakia, there was a very direct link between fascism and the Roman Catholic Church. More recently, Yeshayahu Leibowitz, editor of the Encyclopaedia Hebraica, coined the term Judeo-Nazi to describe the Messianic settlers who moved onto the occupied West Bank after 1967. So, there need be no self-pity among Muslims about being "singled out" on this point.

The term Islamofascism was first used in 1990 in Britain's Independent newspaper by Scottish writer Malise Ruthven, who was writing about the way in which traditional Arab dictatorships used religious appeals in order to stay in power. I didn't know about this when I employed the term "fascism with an Islamic face" to describe the attack on civil society on Sept. 11, 2001, and to ridicule those who presented the attack as some kind of liberation theology in action. "Fascism with an Islamic face" is meant to summon a dual echo of both Alexander Dubcek and Susan Sontag (if I do say so myself), and in any case, it can't be used for everyday polemical purposes, so the question remains: Does Bin Ladenism or Salafism or whatever we agree to call it have anything in common with fascism?

I think yes. The most obvious points of comparison would be these: Both movements are based on a cult of murderous violence that exalts death and destruction and despises the life of the mind. ("Death to the intellect! Long live death!" as Gen. Francisco Franco's sidekick Gonzalo Queipo de Llano so pithily phrased it.) Both are hostile to modernity (except when it comes to the pursuit of weapons), and both are bitterly nostalgic for past empires and lost glories. Both are obsessed with real and imagined "humiliations" and thirsty for revenge. Both are chronically infected with the toxin of anti-Jewish paranoia (interestingly, also, with its milder cousin, anti-Freemason paranoia). Both are inclined to leader worship and to the exclusive stress on the power of one great book. Both have a strong commitment to sexual repression?especially to the repression of any sexual "deviance"?and to its counterparts the subordination of the female and contempt for the feminine. Both despise art and literature as symptoms of degeneracy and decadence; both burn books and destroy museums and treasures.

Fascism (and Nazism) also attempted to counterfeit the then-success of the socialist movement by issuing pseudo-socialist and populist appeals. It has been very interesting to observe lately the way in which al-Qaida has been striving to counterfeit and recycle the propaganda of the anti-globalist and green movements. (See my column on Osama Bin Laden's Sept. 11 statement.)

There isn't a perfect congruence. Historically, fascism laid great emphasis on glorifying the nation-state and the corporate structure. There isn't much of a corporate structure in the Muslim world, where the conditions often approximate more nearly to feudalism than capitalism, but Bin Laden's own business conglomerate is, among other things, a rogue multinational corporation with some links to finance-capital. As to the nation-state, al-Qaida's demand is that countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia be dissolved into one great revived caliphate, but doesn't this have points of resemblance with the mad scheme of a "Greater Germany" or with Mussolini's fantasy of a revived Roman empire?

Technically, no form of Islam preaches racial superiority or proposes a master race. But in practice, Islamic fanatics operate a fascistic concept of the "pure" and the "exclusive" over the unclean and the kufar or profane. In the propaganda against Hinduism and India, for example, there can be seen something very like bigotry. In the attitude to Jews, it is clear that an inferior or unclean race is being talked about (which is why many Muslim extremists like the grand mufti of Jerusalem gravitated to Hitler's side). In the attempted destruction of the Hazara people of Afghanistan, who are ethnically Persian as well as religiously Shiite, there was also a strong suggestion of "cleansing." And, of course, Bin Laden has threatened force against U.N. peacekeepers who might dare interrupt the race-murder campaign against African Muslims that is being carried out by his pious Sudanese friends in Darfur.

This makes it permissible, it seems to me, to mention the two phenomena in the same breath and to suggest that they constitute comparable threats to civilization and civilized values. There is one final point of comparison, one that is in some ways encouraging. Both these totalitarian systems of thought evidently suffer from a death wish. It is surely not an accident that both of them stress suicidal tactics and sacrificial ends, just as both of them would obviously rather see the destruction of their own societies than any compromise with infidels or any dilution of the joys of absolute doctrinal orthodoxy. Thus, while we have a duty to oppose and destroy these and any similar totalitarian movements, we can also be fairly sure that they will play an unconscious part in arranging for their own destruction, as well.

Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair and the author of God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.

Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2176389/

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Re: Judeo-Christo-Fascism Awareness Week Comes to American Campuses!
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2007, 05:12:53 PM »
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Well until they embrace a form of capitalism/freedom/democracy I would assume not much.

Inventions, great success, and prosperity generally originate from places like South Korea not North Korea.

Do you know the history of South Korea? I'm not asking to be a smart ass, but do you think they were a democracy that embraced freedom just after the Korean War? The 60's? The 70's? The 80's? The 90's?

Can you answer that without looking it up? I'd find it very interesting.

What inventions did the United States come up with that you consider essential and due to capitalism and nationalism?

Also, your point is odd because plenty of countries that had very limited freedom (if any at all) had a lot of patriotism and nationalism. Some of the South African whites were very patriotic and the leading party for half a decade was the National Party, which was very proud of its Nationalism. They were great communist fighters and equally excellent at torturing and shooting black women and children in the back of the head.

What were they proud of again?

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I would say "who cares?" and be proud of the US.

I have no doubt that you would.

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So you want the United States to exist as an independent nation
with it's own laws and culture, but you just don't want the people
to get real excited about their own country?

At sporting events? I could give a damn less.

Should we demand that other nations kowtow to our supposed greatness? No. Are we inherently better than Canadians, Mexicans, Russians, Germans, English, Welsh, Irish, Egyptians? No. And that is where I dislike nationalism. That is where it becomes dangerous.

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I just don't believe that nationhood is such a spectacular concept.

Then what is your alternative?

Imagine.

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2007, 05:15:07 PM »
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They misuse every decent thing about Nationalism

What is decent about nationalism?


Nice pick , so you agree with all the rest of my post?

Anyway Human beings get a lot done as individuals , we get even more done as teams . From the carving of Mt. Rushmore ,to the building of the Pyramids there have been a lot of useless big projects that couldn't have been done without forming huge teams and gathering resources from wide areas. The misuses of Nationalism(IMO) include using it for mere decoration or uselessly. Worse misuses were mentioned n your post preceding this one and I agree with some of them.

The KKK and several other clubs present themselves as super patriots and devout religionists while they plan projects of destruction, Al Queda is not dissimilar, the nation they want to talk about would be like the Capulate of old , perhaps we are witnessing the "Birth of a Nation"?

The good uses of Nationalism is to form up enormous levels of cooperation for the sake of good projects we may disagree about which projects are good Social Security is one we disagree about but while I think it a misuse of nationalism you might think it a worthy project that was merely mismanaged , regardless it depends on havering a Nation to accomplish it. The Apollo project , the Panama Canal , the Highway system , the Pentecostal waterway, the Erie Canal , The Tenn- Tom , Etc ..etc... there are very many large projects accomplished with the use of our national resources that have been usefull and some even usefull to the Nation as whole.

   Saving for last the best the most proper use of Nationalism is defense , we need unity to drive off threat. Like it or not there are a lot of big teams in the world , other nations who are prepared to compete or attack. Fair competition we should accept, but we need to display unity in the face of unfair competition or attempts to destroy or steal our national resources. Back in the day when other nations used to be more strong than we were our strong nationalism allowed us to unify and drive off our enemy's , now that our nation is practically equal to all the rest of the world together n terms of strength we need unity tempered and guided with wisdom to avoid wasting this situations potential for doing good things and avoidthe potential fr its misuse.

   There is no point in attacking Nationalism itself as long as there is more than one nation .  
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2007, 05:20:22 PM »
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Well until they embrace a form of capitalism/freedom/democracy I would assume not much.

Inventions, great success, and prosperity generally originate from places like South Korea not North Korea.

Do you know the history of South Korea? I'm not asking to be a smart ass, but do you think they were a democracy that embraced freedom just after the Korean War? The 60's? The 70's? The 80's? The 90's?

Can you answer that without looking it up? I'd find it very interesting.

What inventions did the United States come up with that you consider essential and due to capitalism and nationalism?

Also, your point is odd because plenty of countries that had very limited freedom (if any at all) had a lot of patriotism and nationalism. Some of the South African whites were very patriotic and the leading party for half a decade was the National Party, which was very proud of its Nationalism. They were great communist fighters and equally excellent at torturing and shooting black women and children in the back of the head.

What were they proud of again?

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I would say "who cares?" and be proud of the US.

I have no doubt that you would.

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So you want the United States to exist as an independent nation
with it's own laws and culture, but you just don't want the people
to get real excited about their own country?

At sporting events? I could give a damn less.

Should we demand that other nations kowtow to our supposed greatness? No. Are we inherently better than Canadians, Mexicans, Russians, Germans, English, Welsh, Irish, Egyptians? No. And that is where I dislike nationalism. That is where it becomes dangerous.

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I just don't believe that nationhood is such a spectacular concept.

Then what is your alternative?

Imagine.




I ave spoken to Korean Ctizens , they really hate that line and feel that it should not be there ,devideing their nation.

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 05:24:25 PM »
In fairness Plane, you are simply talking about a Government, or collectivism in general when you speak of Social Security, Apollo, the military, and the interstate system.

As you said, one can agree or disagree with each of those. Yet, it takes the collective work of the Government (or Ami or UP might argue a private venture could do it as well - and in some cases it may) to accomplish these things.

Nationalism and patriotism are very different from collective policy decisions.

A statement like, "if you don't support the war, then you don't support the troops" might constitute nationalism in a more mild or mdoerate form. It generally involves a lot of symbolism, the sanctity of national symbols, the sanctity of ethnicity or culture, it emphasizes a national identity that trumps other (what would be considered minor) identities, it is often at odds with immigration, it very much supports the idea of a "social psychology" or national psychology.

Government programs and goals aren't the same as nationalism. Not at all.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2007, 08:00:59 PM »
Are we inherently better than Canadians, Mexicans, Russians, Germans, English, Welsh, Irish, Egyptians? No

Our nation's system is inherently better than most.

Do you know the history of South Korea?

Not in any in-depth way, but thats not the point.
My point is not about South Korea's particular nuances.

It's about economies that encourage innovation, that are pro-business,
as opposed to those so concerned about "all the comrades being in
the exact same colored Yugo". It's about systems that allow the
best and brightest to become filthy rich if they can produce
the results without using corruption. Systems that understand
there is a "trickle down" effect.

The same point could be with Japan vs. North Korea.
Canada vs. North Korea.

The point is, nations that tend to have some form of capitalism/freedom/democracy
usually have greater achievements involving invention, innovation, poverty rates,
and disposable incomes, ect....

I'm not asking to be a smart ass

I think I am begining to realize that.
it seems to me you unconsciously like to change the subject
you miss the rest of the concert because the singer may leave one word out of the song
you are so busy screaming "that word was left out of the chorus" that you miss the song (the point)


but do you think they were a democracy that embraced freedom just after
the Korean War? The 60's? The 70's? The 80's? The 90's?


See above, South Korea is not the point.

What inventions did the United States come up with that you consider essential and due to capitalism and nationalism?

I think the huge body of US inventions in medicine, technology, space, transportation, farming, food production, and so many other areas speak for themselves. In other words if one had the time to compare invention/innovation originating from capitalistic societies vs. non-capitalistic societies I would strongly suspect that the capitalistic societies would win by a landslide. Anyone that assumes that all the innovation that has originated from the democractic/capitalistic United States is all just a coincidence and could have easily happened under a non-capitalist/non-democratic system in my opinion lives in a fantasy world.

Also, your point is odd because plenty of countries that had very limited freedom (if any at all) had a lot of patriotism and nationalism. Some of the South African whites were very patriotic and the leading party for half a decade was the National Party, which was very proud of its Nationalism. They were great communist fighters and equally excellent at torturing and shooting black women and children in the back of the head.

When you asked the question about "what the hell should they (Africans) be proud of ?"
I said "not much", I did not say they "were not proud of things".
You asked me and I answered what I felt they should be proud of.
Whether they are proud of shooting women is irrelevant to my answer as to "what they should be proud of".

BTW, can you answer my question about what your alternative is?

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2007, 09:15:46 PM »
Over the past 200 years America has lead the world in innovations in production, medicine, science, and what used to be called "good Ole American know how." Now I suppose saying something like that has been stopped by the cold dead hand of political correctness. It's true none the less.

American ingenuity has made life easier and safer. It has prolonged human life throughout the world.  America was, is a force for good in this world.

So who are some of these Americans?

Alexander Graham Bell
George Washington Carver
Thomas Edison
Dr. Jack G. Copeland
Samuel Morse
Norbert Rillieux
Jonas Salk
Isaac Merritt Singer
Benjamin Franklin
the Wright brothers
Charles Goodyear
Henry Ford
Robert Oppenheimer
Elisha Graves Otis
and more ...


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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2007, 11:35:38 PM »
In fairness Plane, you are simply talking about a Government, or collectivism in general when you speak of Social Security, Apollo, the military, and the interstate system.

As you said, one can agree or disagree with each of those. Yet, it takes the collective work of the Government (or Ami or UP might argue a private venture could do it as well - and in some cases it may) to accomplish these things.

Nationalism and patriotism are very different from collective policy decisions.

A statement like, "if you don't support the war, then you don't support the troops" might constitute nationalism in a more mild or mdoerate form. It generally involves a lot of symbolism, the sanctity of national symbols, the sanctity of ethnicity or culture, it emphasizes a national identity that trumps other (what would be considered minor) identities, it is often at odds with immigration, it very much supports the idea of a "social psychology" or national psychology.

Government programs and goals aren't the same as nationalism. Not at all.

Nationalism is what the Government uses to rally support for its big projects and for suport of itself , yes they are diffrent things, but the Govenment without nationalism would be imposed on an unwillng people.

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2007, 11:14:16 AM »
Are we inherently better than Canadians, Mexicans, Russians, Germans, English, Welsh, Irish, Egyptians? No

Our nation's system is inherently better than most.

Are you inherently better, due to being an American, than a Canadian or an Egyptian individual?

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It's about economies that encourage innovation, that are pro-business

So, now it isn't about freedom and democracy, but being pro-business? The reason I brought up South Korea (or ROK) is only because you brought it up. The history after the Korean War, or more specifically after the cease-fire, is very interesting. I suggest reading a bit about it and getting back to me on the freedom and democracy bit. That is Milton Friedman's theory and it has never been proven to be true.

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I think the huge body of US inventions in medicine, technology, space, transportation, farming, food production, and so many other areas speak for themselves.

I merely asked for a few specifics as examples. What inventions really changed mankind? Is it purely technological and scientific achievement that forms pride in one's nation? If that is the case then it seems to me that a technocracy or some sort of corporate oligarchy is far more suitable to achieve those ends (and also meet your criteria of being pro-business, in fact, probably much more so than a democracy).

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Also, your point is odd because plenty of countries that had very limited freedom (if any at all) had a lot of patriotism and nationalism. Some of the South African whites were very patriotic and the leading party for half a decade was the National Party, which was very proud of its Nationalism. They were great communist fighters and equally excellent at torturing and shooting black women and children in the back of the head.

When you asked the question about "what the hell should they (Africans) be proud of ?"
I said "not much", I did not say they "were not proud of things".
You asked me and I answered what I felt they should be proud of.
Whether they are proud of shooting women is irrelevant to my answer as to "what they should be proud of".

That didn't address my point at all. Nationalism was a staple of the white South African lifestyle. It is an essential element in Fascism. So why do you link it with freedom?

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BTW, can you answer my question about what your alternative is?

I thought that I did.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2007, 11:15:40 AM »
Nationalism is what the Government uses to rally support for its big projects and for suport of itself , yes they are diffrent things, but the Govenment without nationalism would be imposed on an unwillng people.

So the government has to wave flags and brand the country to get people to support it?

Doesn't that seem a little odd?
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2007, 12:37:59 PM »
Are we inherently better than Canadians, Mexicans, Russians, Germans, English, Welsh, Irish, Egyptians? No

Our nation's system is inherently better than most.

Are you inherently better, due to being an American, than a Canadian or an Egyptian individual?


Nope
I belong to a better club.