March on Washington to tell president to quit

[sirs]

My apologies Cu4.  I frequently work as well, and don't have time to address specific questions, but do have time to add an occasional comment, so I completely understand where you're coming from, so don't take it personally when the question is posed for the 4th or 5th time.  Just consider it a reminder that we've gotten thru all the hyperbolic slavery analogies, all the legal jargon, and have finally gotten to the core issue.  When you have the time, simply address the above question, since that's where were at now

[Christians4LessGvt]

"My apologies Cu4"

No need...actually I have really enjoyed today....
I also asked questions that went unanswered for awhile....so I understand.
Although my business affairs suffered.....lol.....it was fun.
Gosh you guys have made me so much better informed about this topic.
Thats one of the reasons I am here...to learn....and today I did.
I had forgotten how much info is availabe about this subject.
Take a look at this guy I found today:
Really click on the topics & see the detail. Amazing!
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

As to your question....I will leave it up to the experts and
then decide what I like and dislike. To be honest right now
there are multiple states considering legislation to solve this issue.
And I am not even sure it can be solved at the State level,
some seem to think so. But even if it cant i'd still like to
study the ideas in the potential bills. I am no lawyer so
I dont really have the exact protocol that would help ensure
a non-US born person could not be elected President of the United States.

I will say no matter how you come down on the Obama origin of birth issue,
I really think more scrutiny will be needed in the future on this subject because
of the huge invasion of illegals we have experienced. BTW different subject but
I dont agree that babies should be automatically US citizens if their parents
basically "run across the border to have their kids" on my dime just so the kid
will be an American citizen. Already some western countries have addressed this
issue and stopped this insanity.

I am just thinking out loud, but I would like to see possibly more scrutiny on the
birth records of people running for President that one parent is not a US citizen
and candidates that spent part of their life overseas. NOTE: I am not saying
they should be disqualified but just looked at closer to really make sure they
were born in the United States and preserve US Constitutional intent. If I have
time I will try and look at some of the bills being discussed in different states
that address this issue. I have heard about them, but not examnined them
or investigated ideas being discussed to solve this issue.

[Plane]

Why would the President fail to provide proof beyond any shadow of doubt?

Who could provide a document that could not be doubted?

I don't see President Obama or his supporters being worried on this issue , it is defeated already and all the energy spent on it by his enemys is wasted instead of anything they might be doing that has a real potential of impedeing the President.

Think abut it , if the President had an even better document , why wouldn't he hold this trump card in reserve while much effort was wasted by his critics .

The "Birther " question has absolutely no potential for working to President Obama's impeachment , there is just nothing in it .

[Christians4LessGvt]

The "Birther " question has absolutely no potential for working to President Obama's impeachment , there is just nothing in it .

I agree somewhat, but for someone like me and many, many others that 100% honestly believe Obama
was not born in the United States then we are not going to just go to the back of the bus & not comment
when the issue arises. I honestly believe the guy sits in office in violation of the US Constitution, but like
I said earlier in this thread I don't lose any sleep over it, did not start this thread, and it is not really on my
everyday political agenda or discussions I have with people. I did enjoy discussing and learning more about it
today, but I can't allow myself to do that everyday or I will be like the insolvent US Government....bankrupt! 

[Amianthus]

Why state level legislation when there is already a provision at the Federal level, which is consistent across all states?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Why state level legislation when there is already a provision at the Federal level,
which is consistent across all states?

Like I say I am not sure if it works at the State level, except obviously people in my camp
think the system failed this time. So I see where some states are looking at legislation
to prevent non-US born candidates from running in their states. Exactly how they will do
that I have not examined any of the prospective bills. The state legislation would probably
face litigation too....of course basically everything these days faces litigation.

[sirs]

I have to admit Cu4, I'm a little disappointed in your non-answer.  You speak with such passion about this issue, likening the travesty of current law to that of slavery, but when asked what exactly you would change with the current "slavery-like legislation", you're going to punt it to "the experts"??

I hesitate to ask, who might they be??    

[Plane]

The "Birther " question has absolutely no potential for working to President Obama's impeachment , there is just nothing in it .

I agree somewhat, but for someone like me and many, many others that 100% honestly believe Obama
was not born in the United States then we are not going to just go to the back of the bus & not comment
when the issue arises. I honestly believe the guy sits in office in violation of the US Constitution, but like
I said earlier in this thread I don't lose any sleep over it, did not start this thread, and it is not really on my
everyday political agenda or discussions I have with people. I did enjoy discussing and learning more about it
today, but I can't allow myself to do that everyday or I will be like the insolvent US Government....bankrupt! 

I don't think it is really all that interesting.

What would make me care about the precice location of his birth?
I don't care if he is a Leo or a Tarus;
I don't care if he was vaginally or cecerian delivered either , I don't care if he was headfirst or breech , born in a caul or free , it matters so little I don't care if I never find out.

I have some objections to President Obama but none of them date from his birth day .


Well no ,I am wrong,  I just did think of one that does make a diffrence to me and that does date to his birth, President Obama is the first president that is younger than I am .

[Christians4LessGvt]

Plane....it doesn't matter if you dont care where he was born....the constitution does

[Plane]

Plane....it doesn't matter if you dont care where he was born....the constitution does

Does it really?

And in the Constitution itself , what proof of birth is required?

Do you suppose that Washington , Jefferson and Lincon all had unquestionable proofs of their origins?

[Christians4LessGvt]

I have to admit Cu4, I'm a little disappointed in your non-answer.  You speak with such passion about this issue, likening the travesty of current law to that of slavery, but when asked what exactly you would change with the current "slavery-like legislation", you're going to punt it to "the experts"?? I hesitate to ask, who might they be??  

SIRS...you can be disappointed all you want
I've spent more time on here today than I have in months
I would think I posted on here more than any single member...
but it's not enough for you....
I freaking basically wasted a whole day at work
I am not going to spend hours tonight researching what can be done to prevent this from happening
You can characterize it as a non-answer if thats what pleases you
I provided a couple of areas of concern
As far as writing the legislation tonight.....well thats not gonna happen
and to tell the truth if that "disappoints" you
sorry...I dont give a rats ass!  

[Christians4LessGvt]

Does it really?

Yes it says they must be born in the United States.

And in the Constitution itself , what proof of birth is required?

It only requires they be born in the United States.

Do you suppose that Washington ,
Jefferson and Lincon all had unquestionable proofs of their origins?

No I suppose they were all from Kenya!

[sirs]

Cu4.....if its one thing I'm a huge advocate of is QUALITY.  The quality of one's answer is far superior than the quantity.  and that surely applies to me, as I can get rather verbose.  You could have saved yourself so much time and energy had you addressed the specific core problem and subsequent question at the base of that problem, that Ami clearly provided.  Instead, you spent all this time, speaking very passionately about this subject, yet never addressing the issue, as you layed it out...that of how much of a travesty our current law is.....akin to slavery even, according to you.

And again, I'm not the one with the problem with current law, so it's not going to cause me grief if you don't write your congress critters.  But please, bear in mind, this is a debate forum.  So, not only is it a great vehicle for venting and just beng very verbose in issues important to you, expect to be challenged, and expect to have to support your positions. You provided a position how terribly bothered you are with the current law that allows Obama to sit in the WH.  He's provided every aspect required BY LAW, to fulfil the mandates to be elegible for President.  If you don't have anything specific that you'd like to highlight and change, why all this apparent wasted energy then??

[Plane]

And in the Constitution itself , what proof of birth is required?

It only requires they be born in the United States.

   But it is not requireing any particular sort of proof?

   Is the burden of proof even supposed to be upon the canadate?


     Why is the burden of proof not placed upon the accuser as it usually is?

      Does the procicution have documents or other evidence that can prove that the President was born in a particular place that is other than the US? Or to persons who were less than full citizens?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Cu4.....if its one thing I'm a huge advocate of is QUALITY.
 The quality of one's answer is far superior than the quantity

Well SIRS I dont really care if you dont think my answers were of quality
I dont think some of your answers were very high quality.
But AMI fought your war for you anyway....you came in the game on the kicking team
but thats cool...i learn more sparring with him anyway

You could have saved yourself so much time and energy had you addressed
the specific core problem and subsequent question at the base of that problem,
that Ami clearly provided.

I think I did address the core problem.

Instead, you spent all this time, speaking very passionately about this subject,
yet never addressing the issue,

No I think I addressed the issue dead-on.

as you layed it out...that of how much of a travesty our current law is.....
akin to slavery even, according to you.

I see you still miss the point completely.
You were the one pushing legislative remedy not me.

And again, I'm not the one with the problem with current law,
so it's not going to cause me grief if you don't write your congress critters. 

See....you even prove my point.
You are one saying "wrong branch"....not me.
I think this should be handled primarily in the courts.

But please, bear in mind, this is a debate forum. 
So, not only is it a great vehicle for venting and just beng very verbose
in issues important to you, expect to be challenged, and expect to have
to support your positions.

Really? Why I never would have expected!....LOL... 

You provided a position how terribly bothered you are with
the current law that allows Obama to sit in the WH.

SIRS....no I did not do that.
Again I stated I am fine with the Constitution on the issue.
It just needs to be enforced.
Actually no new laws must be enacted.
It could possibly be a small piece of a puzzle, but is not a must.

He's provided every aspect required BY LAW
to fulfil the mandates to be elegible for President.  

Until a court finds otherwise....that is true.
OJ was within the law...until another court found otherwise

If you don't have anything specific that you'd like to
highlight and change, why all this apparent wasted energy then??

Again you miss the point.
It's not wasted energy just because I dont agree with you.
I want the US Constitution enforced via the courts.
No new laws have to be enacted to do that.

For the last time today as I am going to bed.....
We'll see what happens...I predict one day the fraud will be exposed.