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Re: Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2015, 10:05:46 AM »
Egypt has not attacked Israel and vice versa since this treaty was signed. Suez has been operational since this time.


So it might have really been worth giving the Suez up?

Very wise of them to have the Suez to give and to bargain with.

The incompetence of the Egyptian military tends to get exaggerated, being less proficient than the IDF allows a lot of room for good proficiency.

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Re: Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2015, 12:54:56 PM »
Everyone in the Middle East is a braggart, including Israel. Israel has better weapons thanks to the shitloads of money that we fling at them. They are also unburdened by the sort of conformist thinking that Islam breeds. The Egyptians are basically trying to copy the Brits, just as the Pakistanis are. Only not todays's Brits, the ones from generations ago.

Israelis are far more creative thinkers than Egyptians are, thanks to a culture which rejects tradition regarding modern things, and a great respect for knowledge for its own sake. 

Not to say that Egypt lacks creative thinkers: it has many of them., but they are just not running the show.
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Re: Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2015, 01:52:26 PM »
Israel had precious little of our money when they were defending themselves, following WWII, yet still managed to defend themselves while surrounded by 4 hostile countries.  Point being if they "wanted it all", they would have defied international law, and held on to every piece of ground they took defending themselves.....and would have kept pushing outward....in order to "have it all"
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Re: Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2015, 03:54:44 PM »
That is precisely what they have done.
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Re: Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2015, 04:18:45 PM »
Why don't you just proclaim that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east?  That'd be just as "accurate"     ::)
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Re: Ever wonder why Israel doesn't just withdraw to its 1948 borders?
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2015, 10:31:58 PM »
Israeli helicopters targeted 6 Hizballah and Iranian officers
as warning that Golan is out of bounds


DEBKAfile Special Report
January 18, 2015, 10:19 PM

Lebanese and Western intelligence watchers of the Syrian conflict reveal that the two missiles fired Sunday, Jan. 18, by Israeli helicopters at an armed military convoy on the Syrian side of the Golan struck a group of Iranian and Hizballah officers traveling near Quneitra. Hizballah has confirmed that six people were killed, including an Iranian commander, named Abu Ali al-Tabtabani.

The Hizballah officers who died were Jihad Mughniyeh son of the Shiite terrorist movement's military chief, whom Israel killed in 2008; and Mohammed Issa, a Hizballah commander responsible for its Syrian and Iraqi operations. Lebanese and Arab media outlets identified the other four Hizballah members killed in the raid as Mahdi al-Moussawi, Ali Fouad, Hussein Hassan and Abbas Hijazi.

DEBKAfile reports: The group was on a tour to inspect a site for a Hizballah force to take up position opposite Israel's Golan lines as part of the Syrian surface missile deployment near Quneitra. The helicopter strike was intended to post a tough Israeli warning to Iran, Damascus and Hizballah: The Golan is off-limits - especially Queneitra.

This followed a warning through back channels issued on June 5, 2014, when a small Hizballah advance guard arrived in the Quneitra sector as back-up for Syrian troops fighting rebels. Israel then put Hizballah on notice that if its men were not removed from the Golan, they would be attacked. And they were indeed withdrawn in short order.

But a new situation has meanwhile developed, say military and intelligence sources. The Syrian army has boosted its ground-to-ground missiles in Quneitra with Iranian medium-range Fatah-110s. Shortly before the weapons were deployed on Jan. 10, the Syrian Dep. Chief of Staff Gen. Ali Abdullah Ayoub arrived at the site accompanied by Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers in civilian clothes, advisers to the Syrian high command on Bashar Assad?s strategy for various fronts. The arrival of the new missiles followed that visit.

Two days ago, Hizballah's General Secretary Hassan Nasrallah issued a reminder that his army has been armed with those same Iranian Fatah-110 missiles since 2006. He also reiterated that those weapons could reach any target on Israeli soil.

Nasrallah was apparently referring to the same missiles' improved vantage position if they were deployed on the Golan for easier and more accurate launches against Israel.  What he did not say was that the plan that had been cooked up in Tehran was to attach Hizballah crews to the Golan-based missile batteries and shoot them at Israel for the first time from Syrian territory.
It was this plan which the Israeli helicopter must be presumed to have aimed at thwarting.

http://www.debka.com/article/24348/Israeli-helicopters-targeted-6-Hizballah-and-Iranian-officers-as-warning-that-Golan-is-out-of-bounds
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