The Lie of a "Liberal Media"

[Michael Tee]

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/07/08/media/index.html

Excellent but lengthy exposition of how the MSM must toe the conservative line.  It's also worth exploring the link in the article to the MSNBC firing of it correspondent, rising star Ashleigh Banfield, for a speech that she made detailing in how many ways the MSM glorifies war and the American soldier.  Telling the American viewer what he or she doesn't see and never will see about America's wars.

Article makes the point that the only media firings are for journalists who offend the neocon right, never the reverse.

Here's a short quote from a long article:

<<With the [Octavia]Nasr firing [from CNN, for a tweet praising Ayatollah Fadlallah], here we find yet again exposed the central lie of American establishment journalism:  that opinion-free "objectivity" is possible, required, and the governing rule.  The exact opposite is true:  very strong opinions are not only permitted but required.  They just have to be the right opinions:  the official, approved ones.  Just look at the things that are allowed. >>  [Article goes on to cite open praise in the Washington Post of the Pinochet regime in Chile, etc.]

[sirs]

Tee apparently missed (more likely ignores) the vast majority of articles that were (-) when GOP/Bush, while (+) when it was Democrat/Obama.  Not to mention the incredible amount of strories and reports that'd be 24/7 news if it WERE about a conservative or a Republican, that get nary a token reference when its a Democrat or Obama.  Examples so numerous, I've lost count, be it domestic or foreign news reports

In fact, the "lie" here is in the title of the thread.  Then again, we must consider the source

[Kramer]

Tee apparently missed (more likely ignores) the vast majority of articles that were (-) when GOP/Bush, while (+) when it was Democrat/Obama.  Not to mention the incredible amount of strories and reports that'd be 24/7 news if it WERE about a conservative or a Republican, that get nary a token reference when its a Democrat or Obama.  Examples so numerous, I've lost count, be it domestic or foreign news reports

In fact, the "lie" here is in the title of the thread.  Then again, we must consider the source

it has to fit into the agenda.

[Michael Tee]

<<it has to fit into the agenda. >>

Doesn't have to fit into any agenda at all, it's a simple truth waiting for a simple rebuttal. 

The article names the journalists actually fired by the so-called "liberal MSM" for offending the neo-con far right and claims that there were no instances of far-right journalists fired for offending liberals.

Well, I guess Don Imus and anyone who makes racially offensive remarks might be considered an exception, but racist comments piss off liberals AND blacks, the latter being an important sector of the consumer market that keeps the media in business, so there are obvious economic factors to consider when pissing off the black population that do not apply to matters of pure politics (foreign policy for example.)

It would be interesting to see, racial bigotry aside, any journalist fired for dissing liberal icons and incurring the displeasure of liberals in general.  Personally, I can't think of any.

[sirs]

Notice how Tee ignores the rebuttal provided, while complaining how he's waiting for one

[Plane]

<<it has to fit into the agenda. >>

Doesn't have to fit into any agenda at all, it's a simple truth waiting for a simple rebuttal. 

The article names the journalists actually fired by the so-called "liberal MSM" for offending the neo-con far right and claims that there were no instances of far-right journalists fired for offending liberals.

Well, I guess Don Imus and anyone who makes racially offensive remarks might be considered an exception, but racist comments piss off liberals AND blacks, the latter being an important sector of the consumer market that keeps the media in business, so there are obvious economic factors to consider when pissing off the black population that do not apply to matters of pure politics (foreign policy for example.)

It would be interesting to see, racial bigotry aside, any journalist fired for dissing liberal icons and incurring the displeasure of liberals in general.  Personally, I can't think of any.

Is it a safer/smarter business move to tick off Liberals or Conservatives?

[Kramer]

<<it has to fit into the agenda. >>

Doesn't have to fit into any agenda at all, it's a simple truth waiting for a simple rebuttal.  

The article names the journalists actually fired by the so-called "liberal MSM" for offending the neo-con far right and claims that there were no instances of far-right journalists fired for offending liberals.

Well, I guess Don Imus and anyone who makes racially offensive remarks might be considered an exception, but racist comments piss off liberals AND blacks, the latter being an important sector of the consumer market that keeps the media in business, so there are obvious economic factors to consider when pissing off the black population that do not apply to matters of pure politics (foreign policy for example.)

It would be interesting to see, racial bigotry aside, any journalist fired for dissing liberal icons and incurring the displeasure of liberals in general.  Personally, I can't think of any.

Is it a safer/smarter business move to tick off Liberals or Conservatives?

it takes very little to piss off a liberal. something like not recycling trash, using plastic bags, sealing the border, driving an SUV, smoke a cigarette, eat at McDonald's, own a gun, going to church, love America, wave the flag, join the Army, put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on your car, own a small business, join the Boy Scouts, own a pure breed animal, wear a fur coat, be a Conservative, want lower taxes, execute a mass murderer, complain about Obama because that is racist, shop at Walmart, drill for oil, support Israel, interrogate a terrorist, kill a terrorist, tell a off color joke about certain races unless it's about a white man, and on and on and on to the point of ridiculousness.

[Plane]

<<it has to fit into the agenda. >>

Doesn't have to fit into any agenda at all, it's a simple truth waiting for a simple rebuttal.  

The article names the journalists actually fired by the so-called "liberal MSM" for offending the neo-con far right and claims that there were no instances of far-right journalists fired for offending liberals.

Well, I guess Don Imus and anyone who makes racially offensive remarks might be considered an exception, but racist comments piss off liberals AND blacks, the latter being an important sector of the consumer market that keeps the media in business, so there are obvious economic factors to consider when pissing off the black population that do not apply to matters of pure politics (foreign policy for example.)

It would be interesting to see, racial bigotry aside, any journalist fired for dissing liberal icons and incurring the displeasure of liberals in general.  Personally, I can't think of any.

Is it a safer/smarter business move to tick off Liberals or Conservatives?

it takes very little to piss off a liberal. something like not recycling trash, using plastic bags, sealing the border, driving an SUV, smoke a cigarette, eat at McDonald's, own a gun, going to church, love America, wave the flag, join the Army, put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on your car, own a small business, join the Boy Scouts, own a pure breed animal, wear a fur coat, be a Conservative, want lower taxes, execute a mass murderer, complain about Obama because that is racist, shop at Walmart, drill for oil, support Israel, interrogate a terrorist, kill a terrorist, tell a off color joke about certain races unless it's about a white man, and on and on and on to the point of ridiculousness.

And haveing ticked off , a bunch of liberals , have you done a bad thing for your business , as a network , or an advertiser?

[Kramer]

And haveing ticked off , a bunch of liberals , have you done a bad thing for your business , as a network , or an advertiser?



when I learn liberals are targeting a business it makes me want to support that business even more because I know they must be doing something right. The world has learned to disregard liberals because they can only cry wolf so much and then we turn them off. They are like sniveling children, at some point you just have to ignore them.

[Michael Tee]

<<Is it a safer/smarter business move to tick off Liberals or Conservatives?>>

What's the point of your question?  Where are you going with this?  If you're going where I think you're going, you're just going to prove that the MSM has a built-in conservative bias, but it's for economic rather than ideological reasons - - which is exactly my point.  They're whores who follow the money.  You get only biased news from them, so they are bullshit.  But the bias is definitely pro-war, pro-conservative.

[Michael Tee]

<<it takes very little to piss off a liberal. something like not recycling trash, using plastic bags, sealing the border, driving an SUV, smoke a cigarette, eat at McDonald's, own a gun, going to church, love America, wave the flag, join the Army, put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on your car, own a small business, join the Boy Scouts, own a pure breed animal, wear a fur coat, be a Conservative, want lower taxes, execute a mass murderer, complain about Obama because that is racist, shop at Walmart, drill for oil, support Israel, interrogate a terrorist, kill a terrorist, tell a off color joke about certain races unless it's about a white man, and on and on and on to the point of ridiculousness.>>

Well, if liberals are so easily pissed off, as you claim they are, there must have been a lot of liberal outrage expressed over the years at conservative commentators, anchors, journalists, etc.  So it should be easy for you to name ONE conservative journalist in the MSM who got his or her ass canned because of outraged liberals. 

Name one.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It looks like Tee has made a valid point here.

[Kramer]

<<it takes very little to piss off a liberal. something like not recycling trash, using plastic bags, sealing the border, driving an SUV, smoke a cigarette, eat at McDonald's, own a gun, going to church, love America, wave the flag, join the Army, put a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on your car, own a small business, join the Boy Scouts, own a pure breed animal, wear a fur coat, be a Conservative, want lower taxes, execute a mass murderer, complain about Obama because that is racist, shop at Walmart, drill for oil, support Israel, interrogate a terrorist, kill a terrorist, tell a off color joke about certain races unless it's about a white man, and on and on and on to the point of ridiculousness.>>

Well, if liberals are so easily pissed off, as you claim they are, there must have been a lot of liberal outrage expressed over the years at conservative commentators, anchors, journalists, etc.  So it should be easy for you to name ONE conservative journalist in the MSM who got his or her ass canned because of outraged liberals. 

Name one.

sure as soon as you name one Conservative Commentator that is part of the MSM. I know of none.

[BT]

In the case of CNN, was Ted Turner a liberal or conservative? Economically?

[Kramer]

In the case of CNN, was Ted Turner a liberal or conservative? Economically?

you asking when he was a Conservative or when he converted to a Liberal? Which came first the chicken or Ted?