Honest Liberals vs Fascist Progressives

[sirs]

I agree that eash side has their perceived extremes, as repeated by the other side, Ann Coulter & Rush of course, topping the list, but my point is specific as to who's pushing the notion of not just intolerance towards an opposing POV, but actual efforts, including legislation, to try and squelch opposing POV's.  And that's really only coming from progressive liberals

[kimba1]

We`ll see if thiers a push back from the rest of us. I say this because I used to live in san francisco and I do notice abit of a weakening of the liberal movement . people are getting tired of the increasing presence of homeless but negative attacks on gogle employess. movement for mandatory treee but full financial liability to homeowners.

eventually someone will say "all this craziness is fun but somebody gotta pay the taxes "

[sirs]

I guess I'm not following you Kimba.  That, or we're talking about 2 different things, unless you can find some examples of conservative minded folks pushing the idea that liberals and/or Democrats should just shut up....that they shouldn't be listened to. 

The closest thing I could reference is when certain anti-abortion folks will paintbrush those who support abortion as baby killers.  Now, that's an accurate conclusion, though its both overtly emotional, and paint brushes everyone who's not anti-abortion, as supposedly advocating the killing of an unborn child.  That's a little unfair, and over the top, since I'm sure some folks just want to advocate the freedom of the woman to do whatever she wants.  Now, I'd even support that....if it didn't involve the life of an innocent unborn child, that has no say in the matter.  Point being, that's rhetoric used to try and shame folks into either changing their position or simply not voicing their opposition. 

But as I said, the folks that demonstrate the greatest amount of intolerance to opposiong POV is the same group that brands themselves as being the "tolerant" ones....that being liberal progressives......bordering as fascists

[kimba1]

I`m talking about the flow of extremes going from one to another. I`m badly stating we should not favor either sides to be trusted with our freedoms.

my stance on abortions is abit complicated in the fact I believe abortion is just a marketing thing to get folks to not use birth control. but that broader subject has alot of overlaps in support. ex. christian pharmasist denying birthcontrol pills without giving options to go somewhere else. some would say just go somewhere and order it there. but I personally know getting medication not related to birth control can easily be very difficult and very life threatning.

[sirs]

Nor would I be in favor of extreme elements to any political party running things.  Currently we have an extreme liberal running the executive branch, literally setting the precedent for any future President, regardless of party, being able to pretty much ignore rule of law, enforcing only that which he/she likes, and tell any congressional committees to go pound sand, and then claim how poorly they're being treated

And I really don't want to take this into an abortion tangent.  My point about abortion was that's really the only place you'll see some hard line conservatives trying to use extreme over the top irrational rhetoric to try and squelch the opposing position that pro-abortionists have.  Everywhere else you look however, and its hard line liberal progressives who are leading the charge to silence viewpoints they don't agree with

[kimba1]

as i said with examples we`ll see if this will backfire on them. remember you did say freedoms will be lost such things don`t always go un-noticed.

[sirs]

They're getting lost as we speak   

[kimba1]

We'll simply sit back and see if it'll work it's way out. Untill the parties learn how to play the game which actually get the moderates to do something we're stuck with this.

[sirs]

Addressing the issue that's not really the issue I started this thread on, the only compromise to seeking more and more power to control people's lives is sharing that power....which is also unacceptable.  Moderates, I'm afraid are more concerned about getting along, than actually addressing the onslaught of economic, and now military, ruin, at the hands of policies and precedent being employed currently, by liberal progressives, at every level of Government.  Moderates can't and won't fix this, IMHO.  They just want everyone to get along better.  Compromise for the sake of compromise isn't a fix.  It's merely a slightly slowing down of the careening out of control bus, headed for a cliff, while giving everyone on the bus blankets, so as not to get a chill from the outside air coming in

[kimba1]

but isn`t this view what gets less moderate to cooperate with conservatives?

[sirs]

Good question, though as I said before, compromising for the sake of compromising doesn't fix what's going on.  Compromsing to simply let Government continue to grow in oppression, regulation, bureacracy, and control, but just more slowly than what progressive liberals would want, isn't a viable option either.

You tell me Kimba, what exactly do Conservatives, who support limited Government, as designed by our founders, and clearly established in our Constitution, should be doing to bring about more cooperation from moderates?

[kimba1]

no idea

despite I designate myself a conservative I tend to find my group quite abit stand offish and follow the "my way or the highway'  . personally I would avoid all social media and request as many face to face as possible. I just don`t see any use for them in negotiations if anything they makes things worst.

another thought it might not be compromise but good old fashion politics. deals that only benefits themselves not the public. can prisons handle a low crime rate. Al Sharpton exist with no racism.

etc.

[sirs]

no idea

oh boy.......that's going to be problematic if neither of us have any bright ideas to bring about improved cooperation between moderates and conservatives, though I think they both can agree that Government is getting far too big and out of control   

another thought it might not be compromise but good old fashion politics. deals that only benefits themselves not the public. can prisons handle a low crime rate. Al Sharpton exist with no racism.

Pardon my ignorance, but I'm still not following you on this one, Kimba

[kimba1]

meaning liberal and conservative is way too broad a stroke and as such these terms has weaken the disscussion. avoid those terms and focus specific incidence and say outcomes instead of using the term losing freedom.

[sirs]

To be honest, I don't think changing definitions & accurate terms to make things more palatable does much, though I'm open to suggesstion.  To me, that's kinda like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.