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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on December 29, 2012, 01:04:07 PM
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Is it my imagination or public education started losing it's credibility around the time arts and music funding was getting cut
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Perhaps you have it backwards. Maybe public education started losing its credibility when it started adding electives that took away resources from the core curriculum of reading, writing and arithmetic.
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arts electives have been around alot longer then i`ve been alive but funding cuts have been getting notice when i was in college and i recall the rep of schools getting hits and talk of charter school are popping up.
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Just saying , i don't recall bake sales and car washes to raise funds for math and english classes.
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you are right the primary stuff get very little attention. but the top universities has art and music in them.
I also blame the internet for turning kids from reading. when siri is finally perfected kids will finally give up reading all together.
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That is because the school boards never cut funds for math and English since is it required that they fund it 100%, which not all states require for art and music.
They had art and music classes in the 1940's. Such classes are nothing new.
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you are right the primary stuff get very little attention. but the top universities has art and music in them.
Sure they do. But kids are only required to attend school until they are 16, which gives the schools 10 years to make sure that they are literate by the time they choose to leave school. Remember the purpose of public schools is to produce an educated workforce which is able to read, write and do computations. And judging by the uproar over NCLB the schools are failing in even that basic mission.
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There never was any sort of national competence test before the past few years. In the 1940's, many jobs required little more than basic literacy, I had several of these when I was working my way through college, in a tire warehouse and a Ford assembly plant. Now jobs have changed and basic literacy and numeracy are not adequate for the sort of jobs that are now being done in China.
The percentage of poor children in the schools is higher as well.
The fact is that since there were no national competency tests until recently, there is no real way to compare schools in the 50's and 60's with those of today.
Students are not bad at reading or math because they have overdosed on art and music.
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I was taking national standardized tests when in grade school, during the 50's.
So they aren't that new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Tests_of_Basic_Skills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Tests_of_Basic_Skills)
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And of course, the poor kids in the 50's had to pass the tests without the benefit of such programs as head start.
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Hmm
I came to america in the 80's and seen many adults who couldn't read but todays it's a very rare thing
Not really sure the drop out rate in the past was less than today. Note due to the internet reading is of greater need . Irony that it goes both ways helping and hurting kids
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What are the critical skills for a modern job?
The Country does need musicians, but not many.
What is the job that can be the mainstay of the working population?
Before I was born we were mostly farmers , but between the time that my Grandfather was farming and the time I was born the majority left the farm and farms were greatly collectivised.
Now our society supports about as many professional musicians and other artists as it does farmers.
Last I heard the jobs that are going unfilled all over the place is translators and interpreters, perhaps we are suffering from too few Xos.
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I didn't even think about the demand of musicians. I thought the colateral product of music and art is alternative thinking. Learning math and science will teach you how to make a rocket but imagination will make it exist.
Robert goddard would never of made the chemical rocket without science fiction existing.art give your mind the tools to make stuff in your head. I maybe wrong but from what i've observed art and science totally does not interfer. A very good friend of mine sing opera and writes high school physics books.
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They did give standardized tests in many schools previously, but they did not give then nationally for the purpose of rating schools.
I took those Iowa tests too, but I never saw any results, not of my performance, nor of the school's performance. The results were not published in any newspaper that I ever saw.
Whatever the results of those tests were used for, it was done entirely behind the scenes. I never heard that they were changing a single element of the curriculum based on test results, or even selecting a different textbook for any class.
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China the core focus is math and science which pretty much makes them a nation of reverse engineers. Arts is already being added to fix the american complaint chinese has not imagination. So in a few years chinese will be designing its own stuff.
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Does Japan design its own stuff? Does Korea?
The Japanese seem to be rather good at robotics.
Neither Japan nor Korea build ugly cars, like the Subaru 360 or the first Honda Civic or the first Toyota Corollas.
It will likely take China as long as to did Japan and Korea.
Ergonomics seems to me to require as much artistic ability as mechanical savvy.
Look how long it took to finally put turn signal flashers on the back of rearview mirrors, or to include a storage place for sunglasses for cars.
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Japan and korea has massive comtemporary art culture so it's designing own tech is very viable.
I'm very familiar with chinese comptemporary art and it's growing but japan is pretty much dominating the youth of china so it'll be kind of mixed.
Korea got no cultural influence on china. Most of the time chinese will say hey! They use our old language. Or nice clothes
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Influence is likely to be personal, not national.
It's not that every Chinese must be impressed by every Korean design.
The key would be more like one Chinese designer seeing some design by a Korean and then improving upon it.
Korea is more isolated from China than Japan, but of course, there are rather a lot more Koreans than Japanese living in China.
Modern devices are rarely the invention of just one person. Building upon past ideas and collaboration between the designer and the engineers are more common.