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Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« on: February 06, 2008, 10:43:59 PM »
This is my last post. It is just one example of how the Muslim community treats women (MT and I were going to discuss it. This will have to do...)

Goodbye all...

Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man
Sonia Verma in Dubai

A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.

Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the Kingdom's ?Mutaween? police.

Her story offers a rare first-hand glimpse of the discrimination faced by women living in Saudi Arabia. In her first interview with the foreign press, Yara told The Times that she would remain in Saudi Arabia to challenge its harsh enforcement of conservative Islam rather than return to America.

?If I want to make a difference I have to stick around. If I leave they win. I can't just surrender to the terrorist acts of these people,? said Yara, who moved to Jeddah eight years ago with her husband, a prominent businessman.

Her ordeal began with a routine visit to the new Riyadh offices of her finance company, where she is a managing partner.

The electricity temporarily cut out, so Yara and her colleagues ? who are all men ? went to a nearby Starbucks to use its wireless internet.

She sat in a curtained booth with her business partner in the caf�'s ?family? area, the only seats where men and women are allowed to mix.

For Yara, it was a matter of convenience. But in Saudi Arabia, public contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited.

?Some men came up to us with very long beards and white dresses. They asked ?Why are you here together?'. I explained about the power being out in our office. They got very angry and told me what I was doing was a great sin,? recalled Yara, who wears an abaya and headscarf, like most Saudi women.

The men were from Saudi Arabia's Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, a police force of several thousand men charged with enforcing dress codes, sex segregation and the observance of prayers.

Yara, whose parents are Jordanian and grew up in Salt Lake City, once believed that life in Saudi Arabia was becoming more liberal. But on Monday the religious police took her mobile phone, pushed her into a cab and drove her to Malaz prison in Riyadh. She was interrogated, strip-searched and forced to sign and fingerprint a series of confessions pleading guilty to her ?crime?.

?They took me into a filthy bathroom, full of water and dirt. They made me take off my clothes and squat and they threw my clothes in this slush and made me put them back on,? she said. Eventually she was taken before a judge.

?He said 'You are sinful and you are going to burn in hell'. I told him I was sorry. I was very submissive. I had given up. I felt hopeless,? she said.

Yara's husband, Hatim, used his political contacts in Jeddah to track her whereabouts. He was able to secure her release.

?I was lucky. I met other women in that prison who don't have the connections I did,? she said. Her story has received rare coverage in Saudi Arabia, where the press has been sharply critical of the police.

Yara was visited yesterday by officials from the American Embassy, who promised they would file a report.

An embassy official told The Times that it was being treated as ?an internal Saudi matter? and refused to comment on her case.

Tough justice

? Saudi Arabia?s Mutaween has 10,000 members in almost 500 offices

? Ahmad al-Bluwi, 50, died in custody in 2007 in the city of Tabuk after he invited a woman outside his immediate family into his car

? In 2007 the victim of a gang rape was sentenced to 200 lashes and six years in jail for having been in an unrelated man?s car at the time. She was pardoned by King Abdullah, although he maintained the sentence had been fair

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3321637.ece
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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2008, 11:00:44 PM »
Sigh...

It bears repeating...

Saudi Arabia is their country. They have determined what their laws are and how to enforce them. She may not like it, but she chose to go over there and live and work in their country, so she should know and follow their laws.

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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2008, 11:09:27 PM »
Sometiems it just gets to me. MT's rants about Amerikka are beyond disgusting and tiring.

Oh, and thanks so much for the cool description of your life on the road. It was truly fascinating!
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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2008, 11:18:06 PM »
You're more'n welcome.

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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 12:03:20 AM »
You know, you may have a point, H. Perhaps just stepping back may be an option. I'll think about this.

Thanks!
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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2008, 09:00:43 PM »
It would be nice to know there is some expectation of seeing you post in here again. The "Ignore" button is a wonderful thing.
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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2008, 09:10:26 PM »
It would be nice to know there is some expectation of seeing you post in here again. The "Ignore" button is a wonderful thing.

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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2008, 09:12:49 PM »
It's mind over matter.

I don't mind, so some folks don't matter.
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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2008, 09:21:52 PM »
you right it is thier country and they can do whatever they want but I do wish all countries should give serious and strict warning about possible cultural clashes .
we`re guilty of this
in new york a dutch couple left thier baby in a stroller on the sidewalk(common in thier country)
the couple ignore peoples warning about the dangers of it to the point they`re baby got taken to child protection.
the couple sued and got a ton of money
we`re really wimpy about our taboos.

prof . if you need it take time off.
take it
as you know I totally understand.
it is rough here ,but note all the advantages by being exposed to such variety
even the rough ones
I try very hard to learn from adversity,but I`ll admit it not easy.
it does temper my debating skills by understanding both sides.




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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2008, 10:15:44 PM »
Anyone who works in Saudi Arabia is told about the cultural differences when they go there. Most companies that do business there are very good about letting their employees know what they are getting into before they go over there. If that's not enough, every foreign comapny that does business there is required to do business through an agent, who also handles taking care of visas,work permits, etc for their employees, as well as making sure they are made aware of the cultural differences. Coworkers who are there and have been there for a while also tend to make a point of insuring new employees transferring to Saudi Arabia know what they can and cannot do. The law about men and women who are unmarried and unrelated being together in public is probably the first thing any female who goes over there is told. Most of the foreigners who live and work there live in compounds, areas separated by fences and security guards from the Saudi public, and when they are 'on the compound', they are pretty much free to live as they would in their home country. The Saudis are pretty good about recognizing that the differences are there, and they try to accomodate them, to a degree. But once you are out in public, you are as bound by Saudi law as any Saudi citizen.
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Re: Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 02:58:57 AM »
Sometiems it just gets to me. MT's rants about Amerikka are beyond disgusting and tiring.

Oh, and thanks so much for the cool description of your life on the road. It was truly fascinating!


You have been a good member , take a break and decide after you have rested whether a) You are enjoying yourself here or b) You are learning things here.

If you are having a negative experience don't feel obliged to us , you really are not obliged at all.

If you are learning good things and haveing fun then we have a good use for your generosty and you will be welcome back after you rest. 

Either way you are decideing for yourself first, and you have strong reasons to take good care of yourself.