Did Romney just do in the Dems?

[sirs]

I can't help but wonder, on the Dem side you have a liberal socialist running against......a liberal socialist.  On the GOP side, you did have a Liberal Republican running against a....conservative Mormon, a tax raising evangelical preacher, and a Libertarian Isolationist.  In other words, quite a bit of diversity, that could "Perot" the vote away from Republicans retaining the White House

Now, we have McCain's chief opposition, and greatest amount of Conservative votes bowing out.  And if McCain does any form of working something out with Huckabee, McCain's conservative flank could be covered.  Now, we have folks both in here (I think Fatman is one), and people I've spoken to who have made it clear that if Romney or Huckabee were the nominee, they'd be voting for Obama or sitting it out.  With Romney out, those same folks have referenced how they'd support a McCain nomination.  And McCain's immigration positions might even sway a Universeprince, if Paul is not an option 

That leaves the Conservative base of the GOP to decide if they are willing to take a gamble with McCain, especially if they believe, as I, that the war on Terror & Islamofascism should remain a high priority, or if they really want to screw the country by sitting the election out and allowing Hillary or Obama take us down an econimic & political abyss.....just to spite the GOP for literally ignoring their grassroots limited government & fiscally responsible platform.

If they chose the former, it's likely even Obama would get whipped in November.

[Plane]

No.

Too much Republican apathy.

So far the Democrat turnout is twice as strong as Repulican for the Primarys , this is the worst sign we could see.

[Michael Tee]

I like the idea that if Obama is gonna run promising change, his opponent should be a short little, scandal-tinged, white-haired septuagenarian who's been a Senator for three decades AND pissed off the conservative wing of his own party who are the most active in getting out the vote.

Romney, a much better-looking guy, with his business experience, scandal-free past and the economy now the biggest issue for voters, was a much more viable opponent.

There's also the character issue - - McCain leaves his crippled wife for an heiress?  Come ON!  I love it.

[Xavier_Onassis]

So far the Democrat turnout is twice as strong as Repulican for the Primarys , this is the worst sign we could see.
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Au contraire:

Republicans monger unwise wars.
Republicans make the rest of the world hate us.
Republicans have done zilch to create an energy policy.
Republicans have buggered our money and borrowed and squandered vast amounts of our hard-earned money.
They have demonstrated that they are incompetent, care not for our personal rights or even out health.
Republicans have never deserved to lose more than now.

It is a GOOD sign that they will be replaced.

It would be even better if they would just disappear altogether.

[Plane]

So far the Democrat turnout is twice as strong as Repulican for the Primarys , this is the worst sign we could see.
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Au contraire:

Republicans monger unwise wars.
Republicans make the rest of the world hate us.
Republicans have done zilch to create an energy policy.
Republicans have buggered our money and borrowed and squandered vast amounts of our hard-earned money.
They have demonstrated that they are incompetent, care not for our personal rights or even out health.
Republicans have never deserved to lose more than now.

It is a GOOD sign that they will be replaced.

It would be even better if they would just disappear altogether.

Democrats are still downers , that is a good thing.

[fatman]

I've mentioned before sirs, that I would vote for McCain if the election were held today, but there's a lot of time between now and November.  I absolutely would not vote for Huckabee, as for Romney, I probably could have under the right conditions, but he's the Republican version of Edwards, slick, smarmy, connected, and I don't care for that.

As for the Dems, Hillary scares the shit out of me just as much as Huckabee does, so that's a no vote no.  I think Obama is a good candidate, but lacks depth and any kind of record.  People always bring up Kennedy as an example of why that's good, personally I think that was luck.

I don't like McCain's stance on the war, most in here know my position about the war.  That aside, I see a man who's willing to go against his party and who, to be honest, might only serve one term and has nothing to lose.  I understand that a lot in here want a conservative President, and that's their right, but it isn't going to happen in this election.  The question is whether they will take a moderate Republican over a liberal and moderate Democrat.  I think that the Dems will add to their majorities in both Houses of Congress, I'd like to see a Republican President as a check against Congress if nothing else.

That's just my $.02

[Xavier_Onassis]

The August Pollack on his xoverboard.com website offers the opinion that Mitt is posturing himself to be the next Reagan. Just as Reagan allowed Nixon to get the nomination in 68 and 72, and Ford in 76, Reagan patiently waited for Carter to become enmeshed in the Iran hostage mess they tricked him into and sprang forth as a savior in '80.

Romney will be waiting for Hillary or to screw up, Obama to bomb, or McCain to be just too damed old, and will present himself as the Guy we Ought Have Voted For in '08 for the 2012 elections.

I think that much can be said for this theory.

[Michael Tee]

$40 million now and at least that much again in 2012?  He'd have to want it really, really bad.

[sirs]

No.  Too much Republican apathy.  So far the Democrat turnout is twice as strong as Repulican for the Primarys , this is the worst sign we could see.

Well, that'd be the latter scenario then Plane, with the conservative base likely looking to allow the GOP to go find its roots again.  I'm simply opining if the former, even the mighty Obama would probably get trounced come Nov

[Xavier_Onassis]

$40 million now and at least that much again in 2012?  He'd have to want it really, really bad.
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If he knows how to buy low and sell high, he'll raise $80 million. It is not as though he is getting a salary, or working for tips.

 
 
 

[Stray Pooch]

just to spite the GOP for literally ignoring their grassroots limited government & fiscally responsible platform.

I think another question is whether McCain choosing Huckabee as a running mate would placate the Evangelicals or piss off the moderates. 

In the end, it might be that the Evangelical dismissal of Romney because of his religion could cost the party the White House.  OTOH, if McCain plays his cards right and the Evangelicals swing to him to keep Hillary out it might be just the opposite.  Since McCain appeals to moderates and independents, he could create an electoral coalition that takes the White House over Hillary.  Mitt has some cross-party appeal, but has cast himself as a staunch conservative for this race.  As such, the middle might have ignored him.  In that case, the religious bigotry that may have been instrumental in driving Mitt out of the race might well have saved the party (for now). 

The Lord moves in mysterious ways . . .

[Amianthus]

Romney also has 299 delegates for the nomination. I can see him trading those for a VP slot under McCain.

[Stray Pooch]

Romney also has 299 delegates for the nomination. I can see him trading those for a VP slot under McCain.

Maybe, but I don't think McCain would do that.  It might be the slap in the face to the Evangelicals that solidifies the whole bunch against him.  Romney is a nod to the conservative base in general, but Huckabee gets the staunch Evangelicals who would never vote for a Mormon on principle.  Even a Huckabee selection won't salvage some of those on the far right, but Huck has a better chance of bringing in the religious right than Mitt.

It pisses me off because as a Mormon I am disinclined to vote for a ticket including Huckabee because of the whole early anti-Mormon thing.  Yet Huck supports the fair tax and might help us retain the White House.  Had it not been for the bad taste in my mouth I could potentially support Huckabee.  I really think a McCain/Huckabee ticket would have more party appeal than a McCain/Romney ticket.  Yet a McCain/Romney ticket might have more independent appeal.  That's a tough call in a close election. 

Of course, if we accept the theory that McCain colluded with Huck to counter Romney, maybe now McCain has struck a deal with Mitt for the VP slot to get Mitt out of the race and cut off Huck.  Shifting alliances is not unheard of.  I do find it interesting that a day after Romney drops out new scandal allegations come out against Huckabee. 

But I'll make an even bolder predictiion.   McCain needs to go for the undecided and middle-of-the-road cross-party voters.  He needs someone who will woo away the most centrist Democrats in case the far right deserts him.  It will take a bold move to counter the Moveon.org crowd.   I can see the writing on the wall . . .











McCain/Lieberman 2008.