There is a lot of stuff far more important than guns.

[Plane]

 But Fannie Mae was a proximal cause of the collapse of the mortgage market , even though it was intended as a support for housing ownership for those with lesser means , it would up being a dump for bad loans, why should a bank try to vet a borrower when the risk is sold for a profit to the government?

 The US has abolished poverty , very nearly completely.

    But we have reset the baseline , my grandfather was not poor, but I earn more in a month than he did in two years , and my inflation corrected buying power is better too.

    When was the last time you heard a serious discussion of Pellagra ?  The poor have multiple TVs , cars, and et cetra.  Diseases of obesity have taken the place of diseases of insufficient protein.



      Perhaps it is not a house of cards , perhaps our stability which depends on the rich taxation of a few is sustainable , it just does not look stable or sustainable to build a pyramid with the point down.
   

[Xavier_Onassis]

We have come nowhere near as close as the Scandinavians, the Germans and the Dutch.
We still have homeless people sleeping in the streets here. We have people begging at traffic intersections.

[sirs]

So much for the "war on poverty"

[Xavier_Onassis]

The War on Poverty would have been a success if not for all that money they pissed away in Vietnam.

We need another LBJ

[sirs]

The U.S. Government has their own money making printing press, so they can print all the money they supposedly need.  So no, throwing more money, while I realize is the left's answer for everything, isn't the answer

[Xavier_Onassis]

Like you know anything about it.

It is to laugh, Ha!

[sirs]

LOL...the perfect response as exemplified by a hard core liberal.  Forget debate, claim victory, ridicule, and hit enter.  You realize if money were the "secret", we'd have the BEST education system on the face of the globe.  Far from it now, isn't it

[Xavier_Onassis]

We do not spend more on education than other countries. not per capita. Nor do we treat educators with the respect they deserve, and routinely get many other places. Hence, we do not attract as many good minds to education as we could otherwise do..

In school districts where we DO spend major money, we mostly get excellent results.
Beverly Hills, Shaker Heights, Short Hills, Palm Beach, Marin County, the Seattle islands.

 

[sirs]

We spend more per pupil than pretty much every other country.  And what do we have to who for it?  Not to mention the answer the left keeps giving is MORE $$$

The fact that the unions have been able to game the system in such a way that bad teachers don't get fired, just moved to the poorer school districts, just keeps those stundents in a perpetual system of bad educators, and ironically more cries for MORE $$$

[Xavier_Onassis]

All you know is the crap you hear on Fix, and it is mostly all BS.

[sirs]

Didn't think you could refute it, thanks     

[Plane]

All you know is the crap you hear on Fix, and it is mostly all BS.

   Since your experience with education is as an educator, I have a special regard for your opinion.

     Please don't disparage us when we disagree , that is kinda our job , in here anyway.

      I wouldn't be surprised if you were more in the know about Education than I am , but I want to have a decent argument anyway.

       Where indeed are the best sources for the cost and efficiency of American education?

[Xavier_Onassis]

In the US, school budgets depend on local school districts, which get their funding from property taxes. Property taxes, in turn, depend on the value of real estate in the communities served by the school districts. Per capita allotments vary from under $1000 per student to as much as $9,000 per student, if you compare a rural Mississippi districts with Beverly Hills.  Student learning varies as a rule with the degree of money spent on the student as well as the educational experience of the student's parents.

[Plane]

That sounds reasonable, does this make it hard to make realistic national comparisons?

Are efforts to make national standards doomed?

[sirs]

......and in the U.S. we spend more money per pupil than pretty much every other country on the globe