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Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« on: March 11, 2008, 01:08:41 AM »
Hillary and Bill push idea of Clinton, Obama ticket for third time in a week

Monday, March 10th 2008
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Talk about chutzpah! For the third time in a week, the Clintons are pushing the idea of a presidential ticket of Hillary and Barack Obama.

After Hillary twice gave a thumbs up to the idea, Bubba chimed in, saying the duo would be "unstoppable" in the general election. It's the dream team that makes Democratic hearts flutter and brains turn to mush.

It's a dream team all right, as in dream on.

It's a fantasy because, in the Clintons' pitch, naturally, she is on top of the ticket and Obama is her No. 2. That's rich of her, considering that Obama leads in both the delegate race and the popular vote. Forget those pesky voters - Hillary has declared herself the winner!

Shades of the subprime mortgage mess there. She's like a con artist trying to sell a house she doesn't own. Based on the votes so far, she should have suggested herself as the vice presidential running mate.

Ah, but because these are the Clintons talking, we must parse their words to find out what they're up to. No problem. This scam is fairly clever, but too obvious.

The offer of a joint ticket looks like an olive branch, but it's really a knife aimed at cutting Obama down to size. In the words of one Clintonista, "It's a way of belittling him" by suggesting he's not ready to be President and would lose the general election as nominee to John McCain.

It's the same attack she has been using all along, though now it's presented as a compliment. And a generous one, too, because the offer implies she will take him under her wing for eight years.

How sweet.

In truth, it's a sign of her desperation. Hil and Bill suddenly are hot for a joint ticket because they know the cold delegate math. Obama picked up seven delegates to her five by winning the Wyoming caucuses Saturday, and now leads by about 120 total delegates.

That's only part of the bad news for her. Their totals include superdelegates who have committed to them, a category where she leads by about 35. Strip those out, and Obama has a lead of about 155 pledged delegates - or 1,378 to 1,223, according to RealClearPolitics.

That's a big hill for her to climb. The pledged delegates are the earned or won delegates and represent the will of primary and caucus voters. They reflect the popular vote, where Obama has about a 600,000-vote lead out of the 26 million cast.

With party proportion rules making it almost impossible for Clinton to make up the delegate difference through the remaining contests, the only way she can get a majority of total delegates is with a big push from the 800 superdelegates, about 350 of whom are still uncommitted.

While the Clintons realize the supers are not likely to overturn the will of the voters if there is a clear leader, they might go against the front-runner if she can narrow Obama's lead.

One uncommitted superdelegate, for example, told The Washington Post, "If the pledged-delegate total is within 100 votes or whatever, I don't think there's a great deal of significance in that."

Cutting his lead to fewer than 100 is realistic, and it's why Clinton is pushing hard to get do-overs in Florida and Michigan. Those states offer her a chance to close the gap in both the popular vote and delegates.

That's her game. Get it close in delegates and maybe win the popular vote, then turn to the supers for a majority. Meanwhile, she wants to get the party faithful salivating about a happy ending where they can have both Obama and her, as long as she's on top.

Note that Obama hasn't returned the favor, brushing off joint-ticket talk as premature. Smart man. The only way he should agree to her being his No. 2 is with one condition - he gets to hire a food taster.


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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 09:57:02 AM »
SHAME on her for running for president and trying to win!

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 10:29:06 AM »
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 12:25:54 PM »
SHAME on her for running for president and trying to win!

So, can we simply conclude for any supposed egregious act performed by the GOP, just shrug it off, since they're only trying "to win"?

 ::)

Oh good gravy.  Get off your hypocritical horse, Xo.  You'd be cutting in line, to try and be the 1st one to thoroughly condemn any and Republicans who tried to pull the same garbage Hillary's trying to pull.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 04:24:52 PM »
I fail to see what is wrong with offering Obama the VP position. He's young, he needs more experience, it makes sense from a variety of angles.

If McCain were dangling the VP spot to Huckabee (or anyone else) I hardly think I'd say much about it, unless he were offering it to a fool.

To win, one can be expected to have a winning attitude.
 
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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2008, 04:47:00 PM »
I fail to see what is wrong with offering Obama the VP position.

LOL.....NOTHING wrong, what-so-ever that that the person coming in 2nd place, trailing in both delegates and polling is being so kind as to offer the 2nd banana spot to the fella that is leading in both delegates and popular polling

That's called chutzpah, Xo.  And if it were a Republican pulling the same thing, you'd be rhetorically bashing them left and right....then add how evil Cheney is of course


If McCain were dangling the VP spot to Huckabee (or anyone else) I hardly think I'd say much about it,

Because McCain is LEADING in delegates and polling.  This would be if Huckabee were offering the VP spot to McCain.  oy


To win, one can be expected to have a winning attitude.

As I said, make sure you ratchet down any further criticisms aimed at the GOP, since obviously "to win, you have to have a winning attitude"
« Last Edit: March 11, 2008, 04:55:26 PM by sirs »
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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 04:53:42 PM »
>> ...then add how evil Cheney is of course. <<

Of course.

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 05:53:11 AM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 01:24:26 PM »
Looks like it's going to be Obama and Richardon, imo.



One has to wonder just how much Bill Clinton negatively influenced Hillary's campaign.

He just couldn't keep his big shakin' finger out of things....


I like Hillary. I think she has more experience than Obama. I believe of all the democratic candidates, she has more of a chance to offer change based on that experience.

Too bad. She's worked so hard to win, and for so long. But, may the best person win.

McCain? Who knows. He just might pull things together in the end. I hope not for many reasons.
I was once a dedicated conservative. I will catch a lot of flip flack flap for turncoatin' , I know....but times have changed in five years..and I don't like what I see. IMO,The war has stirred up so much darn sand to the point where America in the world view is a nation lost in a sort of  bloodlust. How many trillions of dollars wasted....dollars that could have been spent elsewhere.

As for Hillary--
I can't imagine Hillary being #2 anything!

Although she has been #2 in her marriage for years.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 02:20:00 PM by Cynthia »

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 02:20:25 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23731318#23731318

Speaking of Ike!
Republicans turn ..the other coat.

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Re: Hillary Rodham Chutzpah
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2008, 09:00:04 PM »
Hillary Clinton is in deep due due. (Pun intended) She needs to pay the news media piper.

She apparently made a "mistake? in her recollection of a trip to Bosnia 12 years ago.  She claims that she and her daughter ran for cover as a spray of bullets blasted overhead upon landing at the airport.
OMYGOD. Noooo. Hillary, dear... don't do that! You're too smart for such memory failings. YOU're too young. Don't you know there are those among you who would do you harm??
Dear Hillary, don't fabricate a story for glory when archives are basically tattooed on the backside of the media!

Gosh,  she has been on ?sticky ground? in the trust department among the American people and now she is in danger of undercutting her only saving grace; a chance to prove herself as HONEST! What a blow. 

Is it true? Is she really being compared to the Tanya Harding of the political world, as they say?

NOW...The only chance she has of beating Obama is to cut him down at the knees!?

This aint a gin game, Hillary. Leave the undercutting to the gamblers of he world.