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Plane

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Would everyone please comment?
« on: March 02, 2007, 03:58:46 PM »
Despite the fervent interest in the thesis, few realize that it is no longer kept under lock and key. As MSNBC.com found, it is available to anyone who visits the archive room of the prestigious women’s college outside Boston. With Clinton’s opponents in the 2008 presidential race looking for the next “Swift Boat” attack ad, and the senator herself trying to cast off her liberal image, Clinton's 92-page thesis is certain to be read and reread by opposition researchers and reporters visiting the campus.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/





One can envision black-and-white photos of Hillary Clinton and Saul Alinsky, wearing remarkably similar Coke-bottle glasses, while the words scroll by: "radical ... socialist? ... exceptional charm ... sealed in the archives...."

But at its heart, her mentor says, the Alinsky-socialist-Rodham connection is a falsehood. "My conclusion, she was already thinking in terms of practical politics, what works, what doesn't, more than on ideology," Schechter said. "She wouldn't have paid any attention to whether Alinsky was a Marxist.”

Turning to an expert at using Alinsky's tactic -- picking a target, freezing it, personalizing it and polarizing it -- Chris Lacivita can also envision such an ad.

Lacivita co-produced the "Swift Boat" ads in the 2004 presidential race questioning Democratic Sen. John Kerry’s Vietnam service. He told MSNBC.com that no fact from a candidate's life is too old for negative advertising.

"I think the last election cycle proved that there's no statute of limitations," said the Republican political consultant. "What someone did or said 35 years ago is certainly fair game, especially if you're running for president of the United States.

"I have not read her research paper. Though I can assure you that I will very soon," Lacivita added with a laugh.

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I have never read anything that made Hillary look better to me than this , why hide the thing?

I do expect this to become an unquashable issue , but it doesn't really make Hillary seem bad , can it be twisted and spun till it does?

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2007, 05:15:27 PM »
Well, I don't know about any of that, but the photo shows a real honey in a bookish sort of way.

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2007, 06:01:06 PM »
I don't think it makes her look bad. She was practical, rather than doctrinaire.  That's good, no?
Can it be spun to look bad? Of course.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2007, 06:30:41 PM »
People evolve over time.

I am almost a completely different person than i was in my early 20's just as i am sure Hillary is.

To be otherwise would indicate life experiences have no impact on outlook.

Her thesis might be instructive but i don't see it as crucial.






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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2007, 06:45:18 PM »
Given my consistent support of people's past being just that, the past, I don't see this as being a big issue or problem for Hillary.  Sure it'll be brought up, and it's possible she can make it a bigger issue than what it is, by how she handles such direct questions, but on the surface, I don't see it as any big problem.  No biggie....just a littlely
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2007, 07:12:06 PM »
NBD except for the hard-core right who'd never vote for Hillary anyway.

In "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," Hillary has plenty of detractors who think she's too close to the centre, and while they have other issues in mind, this running away from Alinsky will just confirm their original assessment.  Example:  it made me dislike her more than I already did.

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 03:12:16 AM »
Thank you .


What struck me was the expectation that the article was written in .

As if nastiness were inevitable.

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 12:44:12 AM »
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2007, 02:42:09 PM »
I am shocked & horrified that Hillary was a Young Republican. I only went to their meetings to get laid by devout Xtian ladies.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 12:57:53 AM »
I am shocked & horrified that Hillary was a Young Republican. I only went to their meetings to get laid by devout Xtian ladies.


So ,I suppse you didn't meet Hillary that way.

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2007, 02:21:25 PM »
<<So ,I suppse you didn't meet Hillary that way.>>

What is that supposed to mean?   Hillary can't be Christian or devout? She's a Methodist.
 Let's see, she's had how many marriages....  Do you have to have more than one under your belt before you can be 'devout' or do you just have to mouth the words "I am a Republican and born-again"?
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2007, 02:32:56 PM »
The latter is obviously correct.

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2007, 04:30:46 PM »
<<So ,I suppse you didn't meet Hillary that way.>>

What is that supposed to mean?   Hillary can't be Christian or devout? She's a Methodist.
 Let's see, she's had how many marriages....  Do you have to have more than one under your belt before you can be 'devout' or do you just have to mouth the words "I am a Republican and born-again"?


None of the above.

I don't suppose that Knute and Hillary met in the way that Knute is talking about meeting.

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2007, 10:18:37 PM »
I'm sorry, Plane. I jumped to conclusions.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2007, 03:17:45 AM »
I'm sorry, Plane. I jumped to conclusions.


I really try to be understood  , by being understandable , but when I don't succeed it is still more likely my fault than yours.