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Re: The Tyranny of Suffrage
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2016, 10:33:25 PM »
You have a point all right: it is that thing your head tapers into. Amny intelligent bluntskull knows that you have a pointy head. 
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2016, 11:53:21 PM »
3rd grade and overused.  You really need a new act.  And by all means continue to avoid the point made.  Helps validate it all the more
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« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2016, 12:06:28 AM »
 When Women got the vote , a planned follow on was the ERA.

As I recall, the equal rights amendment got most of the ratification it needed but finally bogged down and died.

One of the issues that killed the ERA was the idea that it would make same sex marriage constitutionally protected, and there was strong feeling against this...  universally.

Now that protection for same sex marriage has been found in the shadows and penumbras of the constitution, it may be time to revisit the ERA.

Perhaps now we need the ERA to prevent corrective quota hiring and pay level mandates intended to produce equal pay.

Same sex marriage is here to do whatever it will, we sprawl at the foot of that slippery slope now. 

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Re: The Tyranny of Suffrage
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2016, 09:51:50 AM »
The ERA should have been passed long ago.

There is absolutely, positively NO WAY that same sex marriage will be de-legalized, so Cruz and Rubio are on the wrong side of that issue.

Women getting the vote did, in fact, change the tone and character of American politics forever. Any change of this sort will produce results that at east some people will see as bad.

Prohibition was supposed to change American life, and it surely did, and its being rescinded produced even more changes. Brewery-owned saloons were made a thing of the past by Prohibition, and they never returned. Saloons in fact sis not return, either. Now bars in the US are unisex, not exclusively ,male (with the occasional prostitute).


The NPR documentary series on Prohibition revealed several things that i did not know. One was that among the most fervent supporters of Prohibition were the Ku Klux Klan. I guess they were opposed to drunken race riots, preferring the sober ones.
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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2016, 06:11:58 PM »
The ERA should have been passed long ago.

There is absolutely, positively NO WAY that same sex marriage will be de-legalized, so Cruz and Rubio are on the wrong side of that issue.
Oh? So the desires of the people make no difference at all? Justice that no one thinks is right, isn't. 
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Women getting the vote did, in fact, change the tone and character of American politics forever. Any change of this sort will produce results that at east some people will see as bad.
So you agree with one of the ideas in the article?  I can see that as reasonable , though the results being more good than bad is still a disagreement. I would not want to reverse female suffrage ,I like most of the results too.
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Prohibition was supposed to change American life, and it surely did, and its being rescinded produced even more changes. Brewery-owned saloons were made a thing of the past by Prohibition, and they never returned. Saloons in fact sis not return, either. Now bars in the US are unisex, not exclusively ,male (with the occasional prostitute).


The NPR documentary series on Prohibition revealed several things that i did not know. One was that among the most fervent supporters of Prohibition were the Ku Klux Klan. I guess they were opposed to drunken race riots, preferring the sober ones.
This is news to me. But not surprising.
             A lot of Klan philosophy is based on an overemphasis on certain scriptures , which is a technique for using the letter of the law to reverse the sprit of the law.
              So a Klansman might think himself a serious Christian while involved in activities that Christ would never sanction.
                There have been Klan members who made this realization and left the club, mostly when some really nasty incident made the membership ashamed of itself.

                 The Klan in Indiana is about the best example of this I know about .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Klan
                  Conditions in Indiana were ripe for Klan recruitment the Klan inspired heroic feelings and grew like a snowball rolling downhill, in less than two decades they went from nothing to practical control of everything.
                   A shameful incident cost them all of their upstanding membership and converted connection to them from a political asset to a political liability , the failure of the clan was like an avalanche.

        As far as I know they have not recovered significantly in that state even yet .

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Re: The Tyranny of Suffrage
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2016, 08:51:28 PM »
Individual rights trump societal rights. No one is forcing anyone to marry a member of the same sex, but why should you have the right to tell anyone whom they cannot marry?

This is a settled issue. And the  Republicans are on the wrong side of it.
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« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2016, 11:51:38 PM »
Individual rights trump societal rights.

We all need to bank this proclamation for future use.  Especially when arguments about the 2nd amendment come up, it being a "settled issue" and the Democrats being on the wrong side of it


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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2016, 09:35:26 AM »
Gay marriages cannot kill people. Gun nuts who should never be allowed to own guns kill people.
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« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2016, 10:15:37 AM »
Individual rights trump societal rights.  The 2nd Amendment is an individual right.  Ergo, it trumps any rationalizations in inferring otherwise
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Re: The Tyranny of Suffrage
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2016, 10:43:23 PM »
Gun nuts who should never be allowed to own guns kill people.

This is substantially true, I doubt you could find many in the NRA that would disagree.
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Gay marriages cannot kill people.


Oh?

Isn't this one of the freedoms we get hated for?

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2016, 09:47:03 AM »
No, it isn't. You are making no sense at all now.
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Re: The Tyranny of Suffrage
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2016, 09:14:17 PM »
  What sensible reason is there for Al Queda, Boko Haram, Isis and the Taliban to think that they need to fight us?

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2016, 09:22:12 AM »
We are arming their enemies and preventing them from ruling what they wish to rule. They are not killing Americans because gay marriages are legal in the US.
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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2016, 05:54:19 PM »
  You don't think they preach against our depravity?

   Their self respect requires that we deserve to die.

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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2016, 06:11:22 PM »
Their main goal is to control Syria and Iraq. 
Just as Americans abhor a lot of what Saudis do... like execute people for witchcraft and apostasy.
But Americans do not dedicate themselves to executing Saudis who do this.

The Koran says that there should not be two religions in Arabia. The US sent US troops to Dahrain and among them were some fundamentalists who brought along  Bibles in Arabic.English speaking Americans have no need for Bibles in Arabic. The Army could have easily prevented this.

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