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sirs

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Let's just throw the rule-book away
« on: December 28, 2010, 04:31:00 PM »
Political End Runs

The Constitution of the United States begins with the words "We the people." But neither the Constitution nor "we the people" will mean anything if politicians and judges can continue to do end runs around both.

Bills passed too fast for anyone to read them are blatant examples of these end runs.

But last week, another of these end runs appeared in a different institution when the medical "end of life consultations" rejected by Congress were quietly enacted through bureaucratic fiat by administrators of Medicare.

Although Congressman Earl Blumenauer and Senator Jay Rockefeller had led an effort by a group of fellow Democrats in Congress to pass Section 1233 of pending Medicare legislation, which would have paid doctors to include "end of life" counselling in their patients' physical checkups, the Congress as a whole voted to delete that provision.

Republican Congressman John Boehner, soon to become Speaker of the House, objected to this provision in 2009, saying: "This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia."

Whatever the merits or demerits of the proposed provision in Medicare legislation, the Constitution of the United States makes the elected representatives of "we the people" the ones authorized to make such decisions. But when proposals explicitly rejected by a vote in Congress are resurrected and stealthily made the law of the land by bureaucratic fiat, there has been an end run around both the people and the Constitution.

Congressman Blumenauer's office praised the Medicare bureaucracy's action but warned: "While we are very happy with the result, we won't be shouting it from the rooftops because we are not out of the woods yet."

In other words, don't let the masses know about it.

It is not only members of Congress or the administration who treat "we the people" and the Constitution as nuisances to do an end run around. Judges, including Justices of the Supreme Court, have been doing this increasingly over the past hundred years.

During the Progressive era of the early 20th century, the denigration of the Constitution began, led by such luminaries as Princeton scholar and future President of the United States Woodrow Wilson, future Harvard Law School Dean Roscoe Pound and future Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.

As a Professor at Princeton University, Woodrow Wilson wrote condescendingly of "the simple days of 1787" when the Constitution was written and how, in our presumably more complex times, "each generation of statesmen looks to the Supreme Court to supply the interpretation which will serve the needs of the day."

This kind of argument would be repeated for generations, with no more evidence that 1787 was any less complicated than later years than Woodrow Wilson presented-- which was none-- and with no more reasons why the need for "change" meant that unelected judges should be the ones making those changes, as if there were no elected representatives of the people.

Professor Roscoe Pound likewise referred to the need for "a living constitution by judicial interpretation," in order to "respond to the vital needs of present-day life." He rejected the idea of law as "a body of rules."

But if law is not a body of rules, what is it?

A set of arbitrary fiats by judges, imposing their own vision of "the needs of the times"?
Or
a set of arbitrary regulations stealthily emerging from within the bowels of a bureaucracy?

Louis Brandeis was another leader of this Progressive era chorus of demands for moving beyond law as rules. He cited "newly arisen social needs" and "a shifting of our longing from legal justice to social justice."

In other words, judges were encouraged to do an end run around rules, such as those set forth in the Constitution, and around the elected representatives of "we the people." As Roscoe Pound put it, law should be "in the hands of a progressive and enlightened caste whose conceptions are in advance of the public."

That is still the vision of the left a hundred years later.

The Constitution cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution, by voting out those who promote end runs around it.
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2010, 05:42:25 PM »
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The Constitution cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution, by voting out those who promote end runs around it.

How would you phrase the litmus test so that the average joe understands the implications of voting for a liberal senator or president.

Do you think the good people of California understand that when they vote for Boxer or Feinstein that they are voting for them to confirm judicial nominations that think the constitution is not worth the weight of the paper it is written upon?

Do you think the good people of California, when they elect their school boards that they are electing people who will set curriculum that deempasizes the role of Senators and Presidents in the interpretation process of the Constitution?

Do you think the good people of California as a whole believe the constitution is flexible enough to reflect changing circumstances and changing times, or do they believe that the constitution is the "bible" of the founders and that those words should be interpreted literally.

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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2010, 06:12:52 PM »
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The Constitution cannot protect us unless we protect the Constitution, by voting out those who promote end runs around it.

How would you phrase the litmus test so that the average joe understands the implications of voting for a liberal senator or president.

The "Average Joe" is more likely the average Joey in elementary school, where U.S. History, and in particular the Constitution are likely either glossed over (minimizing its importance), or just as bad, if not worse, educated that the Constitution is indeed a "living document", left to dangle at the whims of whatever party is in power of the Government at the time, including the Judiciary

With that taken care of, Legislators, Judges, and Presidents are then allowed to ride rough shot, or as Sowell phrases it, able to do all-too-frequent end arounds of the clear wording and intent of the Constitution.  There really is no litmus test.  It's going to have to take a grassroots-like movement to educate the children.  That way, later on, when Average Joe is shown what the latest pork his Senator has bestowed upon him, can then ask....Where in the Constitution, do you have that authority, Mr Senator?  Where in the Constitution do you have the authority to be running x, Miss Congresswoman?

Which also explains why the Teachers unions, and the Dems they support, will potentially fight to their political deaths to maintain the status quo. At least until their power of incumbancy is dissolving.  If/when the Dems see that eroding to a perpetual minority status, you'll see a flip so fast for charter schools and vouchers, it'll take an orthopedic surgeon to repair it

« Last Edit: December 28, 2010, 06:20:53 PM by sirs »
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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2010, 06:34:03 PM »
Then i guess the salvation for California and the nation involves taking back the schools.

Maybe they can do it smarter this time.

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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 07:50:16 PM »
One can hope.  Until folks start grasping that the role of Government is not simply to supply you with every basic thing you need at tax payer's expense, and that the Constitution is not a "living document" but literally a legal blueprint of how the Government is to function, complete with the mechanisms to change it, if there's some perceived "evolving" of the country, we're going to get the current state of CA, and likely of the U.S.
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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2010, 07:56:27 PM »
One can hope.  Until folks start grasping that the role of Government is not simply to supply you with every basic thing you need at tax payer's expense, and that the Constitution is not a "living document" but literally a legal blueprint of how the Government is to function, complete with the mechanisms to change it, if there's some perceived "evolving" of the country, we're going to get the current state of CA, and likely of the U.S.

It's more than that. The citizens need to be informed and it is the citizens responsibility to make sure that they are. The government should be a reflection of us, and if it isn't then, whose fault is it really?


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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 08:09:33 PM »
As I said, hard to be "informed", when at the earliest ages the "information" you're being provided is educating you as to a flawed premice of both the Government's functions, and of the importance of the Constitution

So, you can "blame" the individual "Average Joe" all you want, when its likely a much more insidious problem that's effectively educating Average Joey.  Why would it then be a surprise for Average Joe to think that the government is anything to everyone, with the preconditioned ...and what have you done for me lately? mindset
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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2010, 09:23:06 PM »
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As I said, hard to be "informed", when at the earliest ages the "information" you're being provided is educating you as to a flawed premice of both the Government's functions, and of the importance of the Constitution

SO your position is the american people are victims of themselves? That the wounds are self inflicted?

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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2010, 10:32:54 PM »
  The government being in charge of education ought to be understood as a conflict of intrest problem, all the government wants the child to become is another brick in the wall.

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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2010, 10:52:58 PM »
  The government being in charge of education ought to be understood as a conflict of intrest problem, all the government wants the child to become is another brick in the wall.

That presumes that the government is not of the people. So pray tell, how does the government and its composition of elected officials gain power, if not through the ballot box.

It's not like these people are transported in from another dimension.




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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2010, 12:22:24 AM »
Like Govenor Barnes many politicians deserve the "profiles in courage " award , proud that they lead the people away from their mistakes.

The lame duck congress has just received a lot of congradulations on how productive it was , I don't think that they are getting congradulated for doing the peoples business in the way the people would have guided them.

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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2010, 12:38:04 AM »
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The lame duck congress has just received a lot of congradulations on how productive it was , I don't think that they are getting congradulated for doing the peoples business in the way the people would have guided them.

They were sent to DC by the plurality of votes by the people of their district or state. Some won't be going back, because they no longer had the peoples support. What they did up there will be dealt with at home, if they go back home. Whether they are shamed or honored really depends on their circle of friends.



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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2010, 12:45:20 AM »
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The lame duck congress has just received a lot of congradulations on how productive it was , I don't think that they are getting congradulated for doing the peoples business in the way the people would have guided them.

They were sent to DC by the plurality of votes by the people of their district or state. Some won't be going back, because they no longer had the peoples support. What they did up there will be dealt with at home, if they go back home. Whether they are shamed or honored really depends on their circle of friends.




Getting a lot done as a lame duck ought to be a shame, as lame ducks the presumption that they represent their people is over. Getting a lot done as lame ducks that they were afaraid to do as representatives is getting dome what they are aware was voted against . Should there be   presumption that the government is not of the people?

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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2010, 01:57:29 AM »
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Getting a lot done as lame ducks that they were afaraid to do as representatives is getting dome what they are aware was voted against .

Do you think the majority who sent them there think that way, or do you think they consider it unfinished business, even as the majority who recalled them wish the term ended at the election instead of the start of the new congress.

Isn't it really just a matter of perspective.


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Re: Let's just throw the rule-book away
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2010, 04:14:54 AM »
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As I said, hard to be "informed", when at the earliest ages the "information" you're being provided is educating you as to a flawed premise of both the Government's functions, and of the importance of the Constitution

SO your position is the American people are victims of themselves? That the wounds are self inflicted?

Ummm, you must have completely missed the post you responded to, even though you left it in the response above.  That's impressive.  Self inflicted and "victims of themselves" would have not had any Government involvement.  Government's self interest in keeping themselves in power, with folks like the Teachers' Unions dictating curriculum, would be the targets of your blame game.  If you wish to attach some snippet of victimhood upon the populace, it would be in the form of gross naivete, and the perpetuation of the ignorant
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